Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz Commitment to Ratings

March 11, 2009 -

The sponsor of a Utah bill that could punish sales of M-rated games to minors with false advertising charges has questioned the video game industry's commitment to its own rating system in an e-mail to GamePolitics.

GP readers may recall that last Friday, ESRB President Patricia Vance penned an unprecedented open letter to "Utah's parents and leaders."

In the letter, Vance took issue with HB 353, a bill originally conceived by disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson. The measure passed the Utah House last week by an overwhelming 70-2 majority and is now under consideration by the State Senate.

Although the amended bill passed by the Utah House was substantially watered down in comparison to its original version, it is clearly still a source of concern to the video game industry, hence the Vance letter.

GamePolitics asked Utah Rep. Mike Morley (R), the sponsor of the bill, to comment on the ESRB's open letter. We received Morley's response last night and are re-printing it here, in full:

It is interesting to me, given the voluntary efforts and the pledges taken by many retailers to work with parents and children to understand the appropriateness of video game content, that a bill such as HB 353 would have any concern at all for them, particularly given the safe harbors I have provided in the bill.  It causes me concern when I see a letter such as [Vance's] which threatens to completely withdrawn efforts and leads me to believe that the video game industry is not truly committed to the standards they espouse in their advertising.

HB 353 is not punitive.  It gives safe harbor to retailers who provide training and to their employees.  This provides protection to those retailers whose practice corresponds to their stated intent of refusing to sell inappropriate materials to minors.  I would think good retailers who enforce their stated policies, as well as industry at large, would welcome this legislation.  Only those bad actors who are receiving good will for advertising family-friendly policies and then not enforcing that policy would have any potential affect from HB 353.

I applaud ESRB for their work over the past decade and a half. Certainly, their efforts to regulate the gaming industry and implement an effective rating program which is embraced by the producers of both games and gaming equipment is a significant accomplishment and provides peace of mind to parents across the nation.  As the father of eight sons who all love to play video games, I express my appreciation for their efforts.

As I have been made aware of the content – explicit sexuality, rape, murder, graphic violence, gore – contained in many of the Mature games, I have great concern about this material reaching even one child.  While there is nothing I or ESRB can do about that, we can support actions which will require accountability of those few retailers in our state who consistently disregard their own advertised policies, policies upon which parents rely for an added layer of protection for their children.

GP: HB353 is now listed on the Utah State Senate's debate calendar. If it is to be passed, that action must occur by tomorrow midnight.


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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

 

oh boy,

 

The crap just hit the fan for this.  I hope the supreme court strike this down.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Proving the theory that if you want whatever it is you're cooking up to look, taste, and smell like pure dumbshit, then just add a pinch of Jack Thompson and . . . voilà!

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Excuse me while I go and Photoshop Thompson's Photo(I'll Wait until the SC Decides to take JT's Case or not)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

It isn't that they don't want to self regulate or aren't commited, they're just not willing to do it with more than their honor on the line.

It's a very stupid law! If someone threatened to beat the shit out of me if I didn't take an additional 8 hour course when I didn't make a 100% on an optional test that has no real bearing on my grade, but just 'shows my commitment to a course', I'd skip the optional test and bother myself with more important things!

"Hey, retailer, if you stock this item that brings in a moderate amount of money and some kid gets away with it in a self checkout line or comes in at the end of a shift and a tired clerk checks him/her out and misses that this item that looks similar to many other safe to sale items cannot be sold to minors, we're going to fine you a huge amount.

Unless you just say you'll sell it to anyone that wants to come in, in which case you'll get more money and we won't fine you. You could also invest in expensive retraining of an employee each time it happens!"

Oh me oh my, what's a corporation to do? Bank on their previous commitment to local overzealous morals being remembered when they next piss people off, or bank on cold hard cash?

God damn, if you want most parents to not buy M rated games for their kids, just stick a condom and a playboy page in each one. It makes more sense and would be more effective than this crazy law.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

and then claim that beating them with a stick is 'providing protection' and in their best interests or something...

sounds like an abusive partner.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

I think we need to set up an experiment here.  We will draft a set of simple rules for people to voluntarily follow.  Once we have enough people participating, we will announce that anyone who breaks one of the rules will be beaten with a stick and see how that affects participation levels.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

I wonder if the Utah senate gomnna vote on it the next few day? Lets hope get lazy and forget about the bill.

 

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HB 353 is not punitive.  It gives safe harbor to retailers who provide training and to their employees.  This provides protection to those retailers whose practice corresponds to their stated intent of refusing to sell inappropriate materials to minors.  I would think good retailers who enforce their stated policies, as well as industry at large, would welcome this legislation.  Only those bad actors who are receiving good will for advertising family-friendly policies and then not enforcing that policy would have any potential affect from HB 353.

 

And why prey tell, would a retailer that had NO INTENTION of ever restricting sales to minors, and would happily get cash rather than tell a 13 yr old he cant have an 18 rated game, ever 'advertise' that they would  do so.

.. They wouldnt...

THATS THE POINT YOU MORON.

geez.

So the 'bad apples' are still 'bad apples' as this law does NOTHING to affect them. The only group punished are those trying (very successfully i may add) to restrict sales to minors.

And that makes SENSE to you? what planet are you on?

it does NOT give 'safe harbour' to retailers who train their employees, it introduces a punishement that was not there prior to this law. How is that providing safety? If i put an atomic bomb in your office, and said 'dont worry, i wont detonate it unless you do X' .. would that be providing 'safety' for you? strange definition you have.

Why would the bad apples have to even worry about this.. they just wont advertise. GOD... absolutely stupid. Do you sit in an office with a brick and just bash yourself in the head all day to get that stupid?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

No one seems to mention that she is mistaken in the belief that the ESRB regulates the game industry, it gives a general guideline concerning the content of the game. The ESRB has no power to regulate, only to label and only when the product is presented to them for a rating.

The console manufacturers appear to be the "regulators" as some of them have prohibitions, namely every game played on a that console must have a rating and no AO games; which is the same policy as most retailers.

Not to mention there is a difference between voluntary self regulation and legally enforced regulation. More guidelines for informed decisions, less decisions made for us.

 

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

That toothless pile of trash you call a bill doesn't concern them. What concerns them is your overwhelmingly dickish attitude about the whole thing. They are opposing it because it's entirely unnecessary, and they don't need your stupid ass butting in to their self regulated industry.

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

Don't you just love politicians?

 

"this letter is warning us that if the bill passes that retailers will stop advertising that they don't sell M rated games to minors. let's misconstrue this to make it look like she threatened us that they would stop efforts to keep M rated games out of kids hands"

 

 

that's what I read in the letter.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

[This bill is] ill advised and redundant of existing policing measures the industry imposes on itself, therefore it is a waste of taxpayer dollars and they should be vetoed. 

The Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) already has one of the most strictly enforced and comprehensive ratings systems of any industry and unrated games are not sold at the major retailers, making them nearly impossible to get a hold of.  Adding regulation on to a business that is effectively policing itself is not a wise use of scarce recourses and brings the government into areas where it has no business; namely acting as arbiter of what constitutes someone's justified exercise of their First Amendment rights.  Parents are quite capable of monitoring what their children purchase and play, especially since the purchase of adult oriented games is restricted by the ESRB ratings system. 

Quote from the MFP's letter to the state of New York. Decided that would be a nice response. Not entirely fitting, but meh.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

"HB 353 is not punitive.  It gives safe harbor to retailers who provide training and to their employees.  This provides protection to those retailers whose practice corresponds to their stated intent of refusing to sell inappropriate materials to minors."

This bill does not "provide protection": it seeks to punish those who step out of line, and you claim it therefore provides protection for those who do not. What kind of back-talk is this?

Let's say I'm robbing a bank, and my policy is to shoot you if you move. Therefore, those who don't move are protected by my policy from being shot. What a load of bull.

"I would think good retailers who enforce their stated policies, as well as industry at large, would welcome this legislation.  Only those bad actors who are receiving good will for advertising family-friendly policies and then not enforcing that policy would have any potential affect from HB 353."

All retailers who advertise the usefulness of the ESRB ratings are "receiving good will for advertising family-friendly policies". All retailers have the potential of having a lazy sales clerk who slips and doesn't ask for ID once. Suddenly, that retailer is "not enforcing [their] policy".

Your bill is like playing Russian Roulette with one's sales clerks, Mr. Morley. I doubt any sane businessperson would be willing to play your game when the consequences of not even trying are negligible compared to the liability inherent to your legislation.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

I take it this extremist zealot thinks the ESRB controls the retail channel.  It's shit like this (and that guy in Austrailia), along with their lies and hyperbole, that convince me that games will NOT be covered by the 1st Ammendment forever.  When the politicians are so dumb, willingly ignorant, or motivated by religion/socialism (nanny state) there is no way the impotent games biz can win.  Fuck this country.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

"I would think good retailers who enforce their stated policies, as well as industry at large, would welcome this legislation."

Why would they? They enforce, but can't guarantee a 100% success. This law not only tells them HOW to deal with the failures, which might be far more costly than their current methods, but it also legally enforces a voluntary system. They fear consequences, and rather than telling them why they have no need to worry, they're just told only the bad guys have reason to oppose this. So anyone who disagrees is in fact secretly a liar?
Deal with the concerns of people, rather than telling them they either shouldn't have them or are evil. Seriously, what is this, a playground?

"which threatens to completely withdrawn efforts"

No, the ESRB has not said a thing about withdrawing their own efforts. They have expressed the concern that retailers will do so. Don't make the ESRB the bad guys because they're concerned about you potentially running fifteen years of their work into the ground.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

I forget who said it, but they coined the phrase "Get the facts first ,then you can distort them as you please."

These people don't even bother getting the facts first.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

So you're attempting to pass a law that would punish retailers, who advertise that they follow the voluntary ESRB guidelines, if they sell a Mature-rated game to a minor.

Said retailers express concern over the liability they could face, as well as the ESRB.

And then you question their commitment to the ESRB ratings?  The same ESRB ratings that you've turned from a voluntary method of content control into a financial and legal threat?

...what?  Is logic lost on these people?  Something doesn't smell right at all.

It appears more and more that it's just a stunt to try and put the industry in a corner.  They're attempting to create a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

And people wonder why I'm such a cynical bastard when it comes to politics.

 

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another horrible person who just does not even listen to the facts.

Sadly he has already been converted by the Eagle Forum and their slanderous lies.

Now all we need is for this bill to be sent to court and the look on his face, in the faces of Evil Eagle forum, and the face of Jack Thompson when the industry wins against this bill.

Oh how would their heads explode after that,

All these people should just quit politics, or even try to "Fatality" themselves instead if they don't want to live in a world where a kid can leagliy buy an M17+ rated game.

 

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Would this bill be overturned by a court, though? Its intended target is retailers who don't practice what they preach, so to speak, and that type of law is not uncommon in many states. I'm not so sure a court would have a problem with it.

It being an ineffective and counter-productive law, though, is something that should concern the legislators who will be voting on it soon.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Patricia Vance's letter did not "threaten" to withdraw efforts by retailers to ensure age-appropriate sales. That's an entirely unfair characterization of Ms. Vance's position. Rather, Ms. Vance's letter points out the logical and likely response by retailers to passage of Morely's law, i.e., to avoid liability under the law by ceasing to advertise that they will not inappropriately sell age-restricted or age-recommended products. And if Morely didn't see the obvious potential for such a response when he was contemplating the introduction of his Bill, then, frankly put, he's dumber than Jack Thompson.

Eight sons?! Damn! I wonder by how many different wives? 

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Again with the sterotyping. You disappoint me.

There are 7 kids in my family. My wife's family had 8 kids. It is not uncommon for a single marriage to have 6+ kids.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

I was wondering what took you so long, EZK.

And is it stereotyping? Isn't it a statistical fact that marriages wherein the parties thereto don't subscribe to contraception because of their religious beliefs (e.g., Catholics, Latter Day Saints, etc.) tend to have more children? I run out of fingers before I can get done counting those Kennedy or Osmond kids.

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You weren't talking about birth control. You were talking about multiple wives. You labeled Mike Morley to be a polygymist simply because he has eight sons and lives in Utah. That is stereotyping.

Also, the LDS church does not have a belief that birth control is bad. We feel that people should have as many kids they want and also that they should not wait to have kids, but there is nothing there that states that families should not use birth control or plan their families.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

True, the General Handbook does not specifically prohibit the use of contraception. But the First Presidency does state that "where husband and wife enjoy health and vigor and are free from impurities that would be entailed upon their posterity, it is contrary to the teachings of the Church artificially to curtail or prevent the birth of children."

And the possibility that Mike Morely may be a polygamist would have much more to do, in my opinion, with the fact that he's a Latter Day Saint than with the fact that he has eight sons and lives in Utah.

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Again that is stereotyping. the LDS church does not practice polygomy and anyone found to be practicing it is excommunicated.

The LDS church believes that polygomy, or rather plural marriage, is approved by God under his direction, but does not practice it because God has commanded us to not practice it at this time.

SO to label someone to be a polygymist solely because they are LDS is infact Stereotyping and it gets rather annoying to be asked "So, ho many wives do you have?" everytime a person finds out that I am LDS.

Let me ask you something, whenever you meet an African American, do you ask them what gang they belong to? When ever you meet a Mexican, do you assume they are illegal? Whenever you meet a Chinese person, do you assume they are Communists? Or that all Irish are drunks? Or that all Muslims are terrorists?

If you stereotype one group, you might as well stereotype them all.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

The answer to all your questions is a categorical "No." But, when I come across feathered animals that walk like ducks, swim like ducks, fly like ducks, and are heard to make a "Quack, Quack, Quack" sound, I can't help myself, cynic that I am, but to conclude, "There goes another one of them ducks."

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Son using that analogy, "If it walks like an LDS, looks like an LDS and talks like an LDS, it must be a polygymist." Is that right?

Oh, here's another one, "If it walks like a gamer, talks like a gamer and looks like a gamer, it must be a mass murderer."

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Not to duck your question, but before we get compressed to the right of this thread and while you're still engaged, lemme shift a conversational gear and ask you this admittedly off-topic question: In the statement "free from impurities that would be entailed upon their posterity," to exactly what "impurities" is the First Presidency alluding? And the question is sincerely posed and not intended to just yank your chain (which, I must confess, I do sometimes). I am entirely clueless as to what "impurities" means.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

It is hard to judge 100% from the quoted section above, but my assumption based on my layman's knowledge of the full contents of the General Handbook of Instructions would be that parents have a resonsibility to avoid impurities that would harm their children down the road. Such as a pregnant woman taking drugs or drinking or smoking while pregnant. Those actions harm the unborn child and cause developmental problems as the child grows. It could also refer to smoking and second hand smoke.

But it could also refer to spiritual impurities such as not living the commandments to their fullest thus inhibiting the child's spirtual development.

But as I stated, it is hard to make an accurate definition with my limited knowledge of the context of the quote.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

You make some good points EZK, but until you've lived in this state your entire life and seen the difference between what Mormons say versus what they actually do I can't agree with anything you say. I've found a great many people sympathetic to polygamist colonies because they believe them to be practicing the original word. Most oppose polygamy simply because they believe what ever they're told to believe. The reason us "gentiles" have such a mad-on about politics in this state is because there is a blatant type of hypocrisy that goes on everyday. The way liquor laws were changed during the 2002 Olympics is one such example. We are as close to a theocracy as one can get with out actually breaking any federal law. People with brains know it. People who make the laws know it. The fact that such a meaningless bill is be considered shows this.

 

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Thanks. I sincerely appreciate your take on the issue. And will end our discourse with this little piece of advice: there's no law which says you have to take the bait.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Maybe his wife was the original Octo Mom. :D

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

Either that or Wife Nos. 1, 2, 3, and 4 all had twin boys.

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"As I have been made aware of the content – explicit sexuality, rape, murder, graphic violence, gore – contained in many of the Mature games, I have great concern about this material reaching even one child."

Oh the lies in this phrase...

1. You have been made aware... gee I wonder by whome? and what examples did he use exactly? because I don't know many games with rape in them... or at all. that would get them a nice shiny AO rating, which is a death sentance for most games.

2. "contained in many of the mature games" list one with rape. now look at the amount of mature games compaired to the amount of T and E games. now list all the M games with that level of violence you seem to fear so much. overall, it's a very small few. and have you even seen or played these games? no, you're probably just going by what JT tells you.

3. "I have great concern about this material reaching even one child" that is not your responsibility! that is the parents. not the government. when I have a kid, and I'm sure I am not the only human on earth with this belief, I'll be damned if I'm going to let the government tell me how to raise them. besides, the ESRB's success rate is better than movies and music, not to mention how most underaged kids would get 50-60 bucks, or how they would get a credit card to order online.

 

This guys response was just empty, full of misinformation, and just repeating what JT told him. he is just doing it to get on the good side of the "family vote", and I wish the people, who put forward these kind of laws, had to pay ever cent wasted of tax payer money if it fails.

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I don't understand! Why doesn't the industry want more liability? Everybody loves liability, right?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz ...

While I agree he does have a point with the safe harbor provisions that were added, I question just how well informed he is with the 'rape' comment.  

I wonder how he would respond to the question "why should anyone in the industry believe you when you do not even bother to do basic fact checking on what you have been told?"

Seriously.  Before one writes legislation they should know actual facts about the material, not just what 'someone told them'.   Damn it, we need penelties for behavior like that! Grrrrrr.

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Freedom of Speech allows a politican and news reporter to lie about their facts in order to pass laws or even get newsworthy stories.

 

TBoneTony

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Reporter yes.. but policial hearing really should have some oath associated with them like a trial.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

So what game that has been rated by the ESRB has rape in it? (I have to add the rated by the ESRB bit due to Rapelay)

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

A couple of the early Peach Princess PC games were submitted to the ESRB and got an AO rating, and have some rape scenes in them.  A specific example is Tokimeki Check-in, at one point you are given two choices, "Rape Ayumi" or "Don't rape Ayumi".  This happened years ago though, and newer titles from here just have an 18+ warning slapped on them, they don't get submitted to the ESRB.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

it doesn't prove Morley right however, since the game wasn't rated M

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

SPOILER WARNING!

 

There is rape in FEAR 2, which is rated M. At the end of the game, Sgt. Beckett is raped by Alma. However, he is halucinating at the time, and since the game takes place in a first-person perspective, nothing is shown due to the halucinations. The only implication that Beckett was raped is that once he snaps out of the halucinations, Alma is pregnant, and quite far along in the process. Alma then grasps Beckett's hand, puts it on her belly, and lets him feel the baby's heartbeat as it says "mommy." This doesn't prove Mr. Morley's point because it's just one game and the rape is not shown. It's implied. On top of that, Alma is a ghost, which clearly puts it in the realm of fantasy.

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

That's enough to validate his comment. Donkey kong country had dialogue that implied rape as well, according to some critics of the game. It might have just been in a translation though.

Check yourselves on what you're saying! "Prostitution? Yes. Brutal murder? Certainly. Sex scenes? Of course! Blow a guy's lung out? Sure! Drown someone in a river? Yep, we got it. Beat someone to death with a teddy bear? Uh huh! Shoot small children? Yep! But rape? NEVER!"

Cut the guy a break. He can't be too smart, he has 8 kids and is trying to be a...senator, isn't it? His kids are going to end up dysfunctional and he knows it, so he needs a scapegoat.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

Yeah, that's exactly what I was wondering.

But that lying to get your point across never stopped politicians before.

 

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

A politician....lie???

NEVER!!! 

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Responds to ESRB, Questions Game Biz

 So let me sum up Morley's letter:

If the game industry is so good at doing their job, why do they have a problem with us breathing down their neck to make sure they do it?

If you're so good at self-regulation, why do you have a problem with us doing it for you?

 
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Wonderkarpits not getting dropped, Monte. Its become a defiant cry in the face of adversity and lies11/21/2014 - 12:42pm
Wonderkarphttp://press.gamergate.me/dossier/ The GamerGate Press Site. All the Information and Evidence that supports their arguments and goals. This is the 5th time I've posted this.11/21/2014 - 12:40pm
MonteIts why i feel that they would be better off dropping the gamergate tag. The tag is far to tainted and they attract the anti-fem trolls. Find a new tag, loose the baggage and then you can have a discussion on journalism free of distractions11/21/2014 - 12:40pm
 

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