Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of Rampage

March 15, 2009 -

Earlier this week it was reported that 17-year-old German rampage shooter Tim Kretschmer was a fan of the first-person shooter Counter-Strike. In the past, video game violence critics have sought to link Counter-Strike to school shootings in both Europe and the United States.

New reports suggest that Kretschmer played another popular FPS, Far Cry 2, on the night before he killed 15 people and himself. In the U.K., the Times reports:

The teenage gunman spent the night before his spree playing a violent video game in which a heavily armed mercenary tracks down and kills an arms dealer, police revealed yesterday... Tim Kretschmer spent from 7.30pm to 9.40pm playing Far Cry 2, in which the player takes on the role of the killer.

Remarkable parallels emerged between the video game and the 17-year-old’s rampage. In the game it is essential to hijack cars to move around. Kretschmer hijacked a car... Characters in the game, which is made by the French company Ubisoft... wear black camouflage uniforms – the clothing Kretschmer wore on Wednesday.

Most sinister of all, Far Cry 2’s killer uses a Beretta 92 handgun, the weapon fired 112 times by Kretschmer [GP: Actually, the player controls a number of different weapons in the game]. The game... includes sequences in which the aiming, firing and reloading of a Beretta are portrayed in vivid detail. It also rewards players who shoot their victims in the head, the style of killing chosen by Kretschmer.

The Times quotes video game critic Lieutenant-Colonel Dave Grossman on the supposed influence of violent shooting games:

You can see their influence in the way these school shooters aim and shoot accurately and move from one target to the next, moving through people dispassionately.

But Walter Hollstein, a sociologist with the Council of Europe, disagreed:

It’s nonsense to assume they turn adolescents into school shooters. A variety of factors, such as helplessness, anger and loss of control, must come together for them to become the trigger, but the games themselves don’t make anyone a killer.

In additional news related to Kretschmer's rampage, Chancellor Angela Merkel has called for a tightening of Germany's gun laws.


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Blaming shootings on games is so overdone that this is barely worth commenting on:

Kid had issues.

Even if he coppied a game there was something wrong with him to began with.

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Here is how I see it. The fact that the media and the police blame video games and no other media source as the "fault" with Tim Kretschmer tells me that the police and media have an "agenda" to sell here. It makes their argument moot and biased.

Video games to these kinds of people are the "devil music" of yesteryear when parents though Elvis was the devil with his shaking leg and swinging hips.

Pathetic, the police and media could not be more transparent if they tried.

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Most of the arguments made by Journalists, Pseudo-scientist, uneducated Politicians, Interest groups, and over zealous watchdogs groups, all seem without scientific proof or factually supported.

Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if this will be the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Chronologically speaking, after every school shooting, Germany tightened the knot around the video game industry. There are already enough 60 year old men in the German Bundestag who want to ourright ban violent media, especially video games... However, where is the video game industry in all this? Why aren't they protesting to the claims made by German newspapers?

It's a sinking ship and no one is coming to its rescue!

I'm happy to hear the Council of Europe doesn't share the same views as the many German politicians, but it's a market under fire?

I suppose it's a lost cause when a state does not believe it to be unconstitutional to infringing on the people's freedom of speech, and right to chose what kind of entertainment they want to enjoy.

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What's even worse: those same old men have no problem in making the next weapons deal with a murderous dictator - and they most certainly don't give a damn about young people when they cut down government support for education or poor people.

Basically, this bunch of politicians is nothing more than a bunch of corrupt liars and hypocrites.

ZAR.

 

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All I have got to say is that the Times article is a far cry from reality.

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Hey, famous name posting to the Times.  And, no, I don't mean Andrew Eisen.  :)

Neither of mine were posted.  :(  Ah well, dems da breaks.  :)

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Mine was but it was a response to someone making absurd claims. Although I wonder if I qualify as a famous name around here.

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As British newspapers go, The Times is usually more sane so I think it's worth pointing out that Daniel Finklestein, Chief Leader Writer for the Times (... whatever that means but it sounds impressive) wrote in his weekly column: http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/03/do-you-think-th.html

Did video games cause the shooting in Germany?

...There have been quite a few mentions of this violent computer game this morning.

Naturally, however, Kretschmer's game is no more responsible for his acts than Gacy's rats.

Lawrence Kutner and Cheryl Olson make this very clear in their review of the evidence on computer games - Grand Theft Childhood. Game addiction is a symptom of something wrong and not a cause.

(John Wayne Gacy used to dissect live rats as a young boy, when older he killed and buried 30 boys under his house)

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Anyone who spent some time with a BB or Air gun will be able to firguer out how to "aim" pretty quickly and this translates well to a real firearm not discounting the recoil.

Really if fiction is the cause for insanity then  the world would have been turned to dust ages ago.

 


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UPDATE: The Police can NOT prove...

that he actually played the game BEFORE the killings!

Yet another shameful "faux pas" for the police and the German media.

Check out this article on the Austrian newspaper "Der Standard":

http://derstandard.at/?id=1234509499851

(It's in German so I recommend translating it with babelfish.)

On a personal note:

I live in Germany and I cannot tell you how EMBARASSING it has been over the last few days to see how the German media, police and politicians are ABUSING this story for their own ends!

While it is quite obvious to most (reasonable thinking) people that lots of guns and ammo were freely available in Tim's home (something that is NOT AT ALL common in Germany), politicians and media try to blame it (again) on the "killergames". (In a macaber way very ironic, since Tim did not kill all those people with a mouse and a keyboard.)

Especially the German conservative party "CDU" (certainly not a very "christian" or "democratic" party these days) tries to make a quick move and has their sock puppet "scientist" Christian Pfeiffer all over the air waves trying to "prove" that "killergames produce killers" - the "medieval" way of science you know: "I firmly believe, thus I perform my studies that way and therefore it must be true".

Oh, btw, 2009 is an election year over here, so no wonder.

Don't expect any of the talk about tightening the gun laws to succeed! Gun owners and gun club members are considered "good voters" (for this party) and "blaming it on the youngsters" has always worked for the CDU, so they now have a topic (read: "dead horse") for their election program to ride home. Shameful and disgusting.

The very same thing must also be said about the German media which has basically ruined ANY (remaining) respect by broadcasting lies and false information since day one. Yeah, sure, it's more important these days to tell a story than to tell the truth. But never has it been so obvious before.

A sad week for Germany indeed.

ZAR.

 

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So true. Meanwhile I am so tired of defending my hobby in front of people who obviously got their "knowledge" regarding games from "experts" such as Dr. Pfeiffer. Blaming video games is simply a quick and easy excuse for bad parenting. Heck I've been playing violent games since over two decades now and I never even got the idea to transport what I seen on screen into the real world in any way. Why? Because my parents thought me right from wrong, plain simple. Thus nobody had to tell me that you can not go out on the street and rip someones backbone out just because you can in Mortal Kombat (obviously exaggerated but you get the idea). A video game does not teach you how to shoot (because if you ever fired a weapon in real life you know there is a BIG difference between theory and praxis) and neither does it teach you how to obtain hold of a real weapon. Parents these days just tend to use entertainment media as cheap substitute for actually spending time with their kids and watch what they play/do. They simply fail to socialize their kids properly and then wonder that they turn into rampaging freaks. I think we can all agree that violent games should not be played by children at all and exactly that is why we already HAVE strict laws in order to prevent that. But what use does a law have if parents are not giving a crap about it.

 

Re: UPDATE: The Police can NOT prove...

Actually Christian Pfeiffer has announced that he is against a total ban of videogames.

ZAR is right, the police now told that he did NOT play FC2 "a lot" and especially NOT in the night before his actions. At the same time they also said that there were found...well..*cough*...they´ve found his porn drive which contained BDSM/Bondage pics, showing rap...ewww roped women.

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So...does this mean, if someone watches a lot of police shows, and dresses up as an officer and uses the same model handgun as an officer, and shoots in the same way that the show portrays that the show's at fault for making this person violent?

If European schools are anything like U.S. ones, this kid was either bullied and harassed into absolute isolation and didn't have anyone to pull him out, and instead of commiting suicide like many do in the U.S. (Google "student shoots self in school bathroom" without "s, many stories) he turned that inward violence outward, or his parents and the school system failed him in another way.

Before violent video games we had violent TV shows, before that we had violent stage shows. Hell, you want to start blaming violent media? Why not blame violent textbooks for the french revolution? That was pretty darn out of control and violent. You could, however, look again and put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the people with control over the situation.

 

That is not to say that I believe this kid absolutely had to be bullied, but even without knowing for certain it's a much more valid reason than 'he played violent video games'. School shootings don't happen in a vacuum, and even the virginia tech shooting had good warning that the kid was a nutjob.

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What is it about society today that they cannot bring themselves to just admit that the suspect in question i just a nasty piece of trash who deserves to burn in hell? Why is this scenario NEVER brough up whan a killer is a minor? I fail to see why people cannot bring themselves to come to this conclusion especially when it becomes more and more common. Its impossible for anyone to know what truly goes through these people's heads when they do these things but it appears to me they have their vendettas and their reasons and whether they played 0 games or 1 million they were gonna go through with it. People need to stop making excuses and scapegoats for these scumbags and face reality that a minor who kills usually does it consciously for his or her personal vendetta and isn't being bainwashed by TV or video games. All we're doing is teaching minors that they can get away with anything if they use the proper scapegoat.

 

 

 

For those who oppose and view video games as murder simulators...When are you going to FINALLY oppose and view firearms as murder weapons?!?!

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Ah guns and games the two most abused scapegoats for shit like this.

Blaming guns looks at it the wrong way and blaming games looks at it the right way but it gets it totally wrong.

Games are the target because people believe they got addicted and were inspired by the games to kill. Get rid of the source no more maniacs. Makes sense but games are not the source. It's all too easy to realize that what you are playing is not real life and if you're going to blame violent games you should blame violent TV and/or movies because given games graphical limitations those are more realistic looking than games. Also there are millions of people who can play those game even addictively and not kill people or be violent.

Now blaming guns for this does not follow the same path of blame the source. No one can believe that owning a gun or having a parent who owns a gun will make people want to go on a killing rampage. No this tries to stop the crazed psychos from being able to slaughter the kids. This is stupid for several reasons. First it won't work, the kids can either use a different weapon (like home made explosions which have been used before), or try to get guns illegally (which is what the Columbine boys did). Second it restricts citizens who have no intention of murdering people with their gun all because there exists a few mental cases that would and that's not fair. Finally it doesn't adress the problem of people coming into a state of mind that causes these shootings. Even if you could amp up security to make it impossible they might do other cruel illegal things (like shoot up a shopping mall or kill animals or something) or have some other bad effect on society.

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I gotta ask, if these games really are "designed to train kids to kill", then how is it i nthe industry's best interest of have their customers dead or in prison?

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Whats sad about this that in future life times, when someone goes on a killing rampage they will check to see if they played video games before said rampage. Wonder if they will do this with postal workers too.
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The sensationalism of news stories about school shootings is truly appalling. I find it difficult to believe these so-called journalist don't understand the difference between correlation and causality, yet we hear the same stories again and again.

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I still remember them blaming Columbine on Doom... I've played Doom since I was 5 years old and have never been tempted to kill anyone. Funny that.

What I'm wondering is who is going to hold the writer of this article responsible for lying to the public? He can't even get right what the kid was wearing or using as a weapon!

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Here we go again.

Honestly we are getting rather tired of this 10 years and conting of this shit going on.

Something horrible happens and we get blamed, parents try to sue the Games Industry only to lose it in court and they end up believing that the Videogame Industry is horrible when the real fact is that they have been mislead by horrible people who told them that videogames were to blame.

Now I know that the Industry only fights it's battles in the courts where they matter, but they have a rather lazy way of defending themselves when no one from the industry is able to defend against public opinion.

Saying nothing only states that fact to the 'ignorant masses'. (Excel Saga reference)

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Beretta? I was told it was a Glock. His father left a glock pistol out of it's case, leading to his son, the gunman, picking it up, taking it to the school, where we shot those kids. Not to mention, his father was a gun fanatic. He could've at any time taught his son how to shoot, aim, and reload. But, hey, he played Far Cry 2 so his father's off the hook for now.

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I like it how some German politicians are calling for a complete and total ban of violent games, AND a tightening of gun laws.

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And people wonder why i keep advocating the industry Sueing these so call "Journalists" for slander and shit. Having recently gotten FC2, most of this articles claims are bull shit.

 

No berreta. You don't HIJack vechiles, none of them are locked and so long as no one else is driving it, you can take any car or truck you like.It's not like theres a mini game for stealing the car. Theres no Black uniform at all.

About the only thing even remotely right is that there are detailed reloading animations and such, but at the same time, these detailed animatoins for taking medicine to, or picking up a dimond, or taking papers, using a cell phone.

This kinda crap never failed to piss me off.

 

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even though I never have played Far Cry 2 before, I can believe a gamer who says they have played it and I never give a toss to news journalists who are only there for the money for their newsworthy information.


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What kind of world is this? Why is it socially more acceptable to spend all night in a club drinking alcohol rather than spend the same night shooting aliens with "internet friends"? I remember the times when my (younger) sister went out partying while i was playing wow, well, my parents were more upset about me playing a video game more than 2 hours than about my sister who usually came back at 4 in the morning with a bit of alcohol in the blood...

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So basically, this article is outright lying about numerous aspects of Far Cry 2 in order to make it appear to be the inspiration for the killing.

Oh, journalistic integrity. Where have you gone?

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Journalistic integrity hasn't gone anywhere; it's easier to report bull when all people want to hear is bull.

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You not what actually "causes" killing rampages like this?

BEING A FRAKIN HOMICIDAL MANIAC!!!

Considering millions of gamers play these games with no ill effect, it is beyond ridiculous to accuse the games as a cause. A "contributing factor"...sure. If you are into scapegoating. But so were his depression, being turned down by women, and probably a fraked up childhood and any number of psychoses. And we can't exactly outlaw those...so lets outlaw video games to show the public we're "doing something."

Stupid politicians make me want to go on a killing rampage. Can we outlaw them please?

 

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Why is it so hard to accept that violent people are attracted to violent media? They act like no one's ever gone on a shooting spree before next-gen video  games were invented, I wonder what games Charles Whitman played.

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or Andrew Kehoe who committed the Bath Schoo Massacre in 1927.  I wonder what video game he played also??  Unless he had a time machine, went to the future and bought a Xbox 360 with Mercenaries 2 and Farcry 2, then he blew up schools and kill kids because he thought he was in Africa and the kids were bad guy.

 

Oh, I wonder what video game Marc Lepine played when he killed a lot of woman at École Polytechnique. Contra, Metal Slug.

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About the head shooting thing...

A friend of mine in Texas (who is not a gamer), told me that if you have to shoot some one, to shoot them in the head.  Because dead men tell no tales.

This was in response to a discussion about shooting trespassers.

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The article starts out quite well, displaying a far greater micro image of this individual's personality.

An individual who appears to not be able to handle "loss" very well.  Whether that "loss" is a tennis match, the loss of his mother, or the loss of a potential and existing relationship.

While his father and teachers claim he wasn't the victim of abuse in some fashion, only the shooter can answer that question truly.  The preceptions of others doesn't really count because while they may not preceive him as being abused, HIS feelings are the ones that count in that regard.  He may have felt abused, even if we don't preceive it as such.  To that end, unless he says otherwise, we can't make the determination as to whether he was abused or not.

The teacher who received his essay claims that he wrote what they wanted to hear.  But that isn't necessarily true.  He may have, in fact, felt that way at the time he wrote the essay.  It isn't difficult for someone to hold a particular stance until some event triggers a conflicting response.  You may, for example, claim to be a pascifist and abhore Capital Punishment.  But if a close loved one were killed, whether in front of you or not, your feelings may very well rage to the point of violating that previous stance.  And, for some people, it may not take something so drastic to react against prior stances you've held.  Again, it depends on the individual.

Is it still possible that what he did the night before may have fueled his rage?  Possible.  But, let's be straight on this:  ANYTHING he did could easily have fueled whatever rage he may have felt at the time. 

We know from the very article that one of the first victims was a young woman who had rejected him.  Frankly, that says a lot more about what fueled his anger and path initially.  But not specifically the young woman.  His inability to deal with "loss" was clearly more of the driving factor.  It doesn't take an expert or professional to see that.  The article itself fairly screams this.

So, if what he did the night before kept his rage going, then practically anything he did, watching TV, listening to music, lying around daydreaming, playing basketball, reading a religious text, playing video games, even talking with friends could just as easily have kept his anger fueled til the next day.

All the agenda seekers in the world can puff out all the smoke screens they want to push their personal, religious, and/or political agendas.  In the end, The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth wins out and will always show what was really behind any act of any individual.  As it does in this case.

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How does aiming with a mouse or controller helps with real life aiming? If he is good at it, I guaranteed that he practise shooting with real guns more then once.

About shooting in the head. Well, if he is at a distance, I think he is just trying to shoot people anywhere he can. If he as at point-blank range, heads were a logical choice long before video games or even movies.

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There are things, that could possibly be blamed on video games, but the shooting skills of a member of a shooting club and paintball player with extensive real life training and an arsenal of weapons in his home? That's madness.

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I've asked this question many times. Clicking a mouse, pressing the X button, none of these come anywhere close to teaching someone how to purchase, load, maintain, aim, or fire a weapon, let alone dealing with the recoil.

And you don't have to be a video game player to know that a headshot is a very ammo efficient way of killing people.

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Report:
Teenager plays Video Game, Like MOST TEENAGERS.

 

In other news, the gunman also ate FOOD.

Clearly, we should ban food, and tighten the food laws.

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The killer could have ate at Mcdonald.  Therefore, arrest and ban that franchise.  Wait a minute, he breathe air, don't breathe air, it'll make you a homocidal maniac.  Wait, what, he use the internet.  Everybody don't use the internet, it'll make you a killer. 

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There's a drug which the subject is exposed at his birth making him totally dependant to it. When the drug is removed for less than a minute the subject starts acting violently, if the privation continues longer the subject is more likely to pass out leading eventually to a certain death. The drug is called oxygen.

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*hold breath, not breathing*

(few minutes later)

How come I have two guns in my hand and a rifle on my back.  How come I have blood everywhere on my clothes.  OMG, did I kill all those innocent people.  OH NO, I kill them because I held my breath, damn myself for what I did.  Damn you, oxygen, dammmmmnnn youuuuuu.

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This is an odd move for the Times? Whilst it is perfectly acceptable to point out the fact that he apparently played FC2, it is unusual for The Times to link it so heavily, usually they are one of the most pro-games newspapers in the UK.

This is how I see it.

Okay, here it is, my take on the whole video game controversy:

Video games aren't drugs, so much as they are like alcohol.  In the human population, the majority of drinkers are peaceful and content with drinking one or two beers a night, etc.  There are also those who take drinking seriously (Irish/Germans, etc.), and  those who don't (some fraternities/sororities, etc.).  Then there are those who drink too much.  We call these people alcoholics.  There are also those who drink so much as to be impaired in their judgement.  We call these people a danger to themselves and others.  Usually, these people have some condition that, when mixed with alcohol, renders them violent and uncontrollable.  These people are usually involved in things like domestic abuse, DUI's, and alcohol poisoning.  These people, thankfully, make up a small percentage of the human population.

We find, unfortunately, that the media tends to focus almost exclusively on these individuals as grounds for not drinking at all.  For the most part, however, we've come to learn that modest drinking is, in most cases, acceptable and safe, so long as one does not drive while intoxicated.  Alcohol only posses a risk to society when in the hands of people who become violent under the influence, or when used by those who are easily addicted to alcohol.

When something does go wrong, we find that it was the person who drank too much that was at fault, not the alcohol itself.  We don't find the nearest brewery, take the manager by the scruff of his neck, and beat some sense into him.  No, we recognize that the individuals who choose to drink too much are responsible for their actions, and we hold them accountable.  We do NOT, however, BAN THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL.

Do you see my point, now?  Video games can be likened to alcohol in how they are viewed to affect society.  So WHY, then, are we blaming VIDEO GAMES for a SHOOTING?!  Blame the EFFING SHOOTER!

 

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Actually, alcohol is a drug. Just thought I'd point that out.

I agree with everything else though.

Re: This is how I see it.

...yeah, I got that question wrong on my driver's test, too.

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Well isn't this interesting?

Black camouflage uniforms

No idea what Kretschmer was wearing but I don't recall any in Far Cry 2.  Lead character doesn't wear one and everyone else wears cargo shorts/pants and shirts/tank tops.  Don't remember a lot of black at all.  Who would wear that in Africa anyway?  Maybe my memory just sucks.

*watches 4 minute IGN video review*

Nope.  Not a single solitary black camouflage uniform.  (To be fair, there was one shot of multiplayer footage where a character standing in a deep shadow could have been wearing something like that but it's hard to tell.)

Beretta 92

Don't recall one of those either.  You use mostly assault rifles and shotguns in this game anyway.  Checked out five different strategy guides.  No Beretta.  The handguns are: Makarov, Star .45, Eagle .50, Makarov 6P9, and a Flare Pistol.

Headshot rewards

Don't recall that either.  No achievements or trophies for headshots.  No points.  Enemies die quicker from headshots but that's hardly a reward.

EDIT: Does this look like a "black camouflage uniform" to anybody?  Looks like black pants and a gray sweater to me.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

You forgot:

Reloading

Far Cry 2 doesn't show the player the proper way to reload a weapon when you have zero bullets in a clip.

Aiming and Firing

Far Cry 2 doesn't show the player how to properly aim and fire a weapon.

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

You're right on all counts. I wish there was a berretta 92 in there. That would be cool. All of the handguns I use suck, but I can't wait to get the Eagle .50. Is it weird that this story just really makes me want to play Far Cry 2?

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Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

Yeah I was going to say; virtually noone weares black which makes sense considering the game take place in Africa, it would be to hot to operate, and there is no Baretta 92

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

*sighs and shakes his head* We know this routine...the nutcases and right wing morons who want games put under their thumb spout off a new set of lies. Spout it off to the media sounding like they are experts and expect an outrage of parents and various other folks.

Rinse and repeat.


I wonder why they are treating school shootings as new? I would like to be one to tell them, but there have been school shootings in the 50's...were those caused by video games too?

Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

Not bad,

read this.

http://techliberation.com/2009/01/23/video-games-and-moral-panic/

 

The FBI and Secret Service tried to find a pattern between all the perps who were involved in school shootings.

Truth is that every school shooting is different.

 

Re: Report: German School Shooter Played Far Cry 2 on Eve of

If you think the right wingers are the only ones against games, you are either blind or forgetful.  We come under fire from both sides of the aisle, and if you can't see that, it just shows how deep your bias runs.

 
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