An Australian parents' group is protesting the MA15+ rating assigned to Wii zombie shooter House of the Dead: Overkill.
As reported by the Melbourne Herald-Sun, Pro Family Perspective director Angela Conway is leading the charge against HOTD:O. The game recently set a Guinness Book record for profanity. Said Conway:
The gaming industry has been mischievously misrepresenting the classification system on this issue. I feel very distressed that a large number of teenagers and adults would play this game and soak up this amount of sexually aggressive violence and aggressively violent language.
We need to draw a deep breath and look at the research, which will show a need to scale back this level of violence.
Given the increasing amount of knowledge now available of the effects of exposure to intense levels of violence on the adolescent brain, we should be reviewing the level of violence the MA15+ classification now allows.
Conway also called for additional research into the impact of violent games on players. Last year, Conway claimed that violent games would turn troubled kids into "lethal killers."
Sega spokesman Vispi Bhopti defended HOTD:O, however:
House of the Dead: Overkill has been rated as suitable for people over 15. It is not an R-rated game. The swearing in it is very much stylised so it matches the Grindhouse cinema style made famous by director Quentin Tarantino.
In playing the game, players attack zombies or humanoid characters but never humans. This is an important distinction that the classification board makes when it gives a rating.




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Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
It was the rare breed of evidence known as "Ninjevidence." It is completely invisible, but always fatal to the credibilty of whoever presents it.
"That's not ironic. That's justice."
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Hmm lemme think... never.
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He has it, he just doesn't want to show us because we're mean and we're not invited to his birthday party, plus I have it on good authoroity his dad could beat all our dads.
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"But my mom thinks I'm cool!"- Milhouse
I keep picturing his evidence as random scribblings on the back of a Denny's placemat.
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Oh dear.
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you have evidence?
is this like the other 'evidence' that jack always claimed to have? the 'evidence' he had that magically never appeared when he was found guilty with 27 counts of misconduct including knowingly lying and decieving?
If its the same kind of evidence, you can keep it thanks.
Nice choice in friends.
You agree with his ideals? So you think all gamers should have the death penalty imposed on them too? (Jacks words on this very site not mine). Hmm if i were you id re-evaluate them. Not the best.
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Loose freind huh?
Just leave, your just as digusting as he is. I have no faith in the older generation of people today, there ignorance, and stupidity is just horrfying. You claim to know what is right for everyone yet you ignore so many facts around you.
>:(
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
So BearDogg, you believe the recent shootings are insignificant? That German teenager going on a rampage after playing Counter Strike and Far Cry is nothing to you? Why don't you grow up and realize that people's lives are at stake here!
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What is the difference between the German school shooter with access to guns and the millions of people who play Far Cry or Counterstrike with access to guns every day?
Answer: The german shooter was mentally or psychologically damaged. He was not a normal person, but instead had issues with rejection and anger.
Let us eliminate the common denominators here. Access to guns? That's out, becuase 100s of people have them, yet don't go and shoot up schools. Playing FPS games? Again, MILLIONS of people do it, yet only a tiny, tiny, tiny, insignificant fraction of those people go on to become spree shooters. So it's not games.
So what is left once the common denominators are removed? That's right, the mental instability. there's your culprit, not video games.
It's funny that games are blamed for these mass shootings when i would say that throughout history more spree shooters have been non-gamers than not.
Charles Whitman in 1966 took it upon himself to climb a tower and begin shooting at random people, what fps game did he train on? That's right, they weren't invented yet. What did he have in common with the German shooter? You've guessed it, mental instability.
I guarantee you, if you were to take every single spree killer in history, the only common denominator to all cases would be some kind of mental instability.
Now, maybe I'm totally off-base here, but wouldn't it be more useful to go after what appears to me to be the actual causes of these horrific murders (ie. mentally unstable/psychotic people with access to firearms and a grudge)? Of course not! What looks better to politicians, telling parents that they will set up stundent counselling and monitoring to check that their darling child isn't a psychopath, or that they will go after teh evil video games that are corrupting the children, won't someone think of the children!
Mental health is a difficult and complicated issue that would require a lot of work in order to put some sort of system in place that monitors anyone who shows tendencies that are similar to those displayed by spree killers. Much easier to just scapegoat a new technology that parents don't understand!
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I know that's you Jack Thompson. You lie a lot and you're not fooling me and all of us.
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Considering that the only things "linking" CounterStrike and Far Cry to the tragedy in Germany are agenda-seeking politicians and a news media with a tabloid mentality(the saying goes, "if it bleeds, it leads") and considering tragedies like that happen maybe once or twice a year, and considering that I live in an area near the Gulf of Mexico that has no hurricane protection that's been hit by four hurricanes since 2005, then yes, I guess it is insignificant.
People's lives are hardly at stake. You're the one who needs to grow up.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
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Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Statistically speaking, we currently live in a time with the least amount of death in general (percentage wise). These occasional hiccups are to be expected considering the variety in human psyche, that does not make it any less horrible, but the truth disregards our feelings.
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um sage.. sage.. answer me this..
How do you decide that the fact he played games was 'significant'? I mean its been shown that 97% of people play or have played a video game at some point. So where is the 'link'. Even just on the law of AVERAGES. if 97% of shool shooters played video games.. that would actually be NORMAL.
if any less than 97% of school shooters had played video games that would actually be ABNormal.
So just the mere fact he 'played video games' means jack shit. Whats your point? Statistically, 97% of any group you pick who do anything will play / have played video games. In fact on average therefore 97% of all olympic gold medalists have played/ play video games. So does playing video games make me an olympic gold medalist?
Heck I could just as easily say this:
90% of shark attacks occur in the summer.
90% of people eat ice cream during the summer.
therefore ice cream sales CAUSE SHARK ATTACKS.
Thats the same logic you are using. y'know what its called... yeah thats right 'stupid logic'.
i mean there are other things that corellate with the same or even higher frequency. He watched movies.
EDIT : wow i see you havent replied when somebody confronts you with reality. Whaddya know , you do follow JTs ideals.
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"Whadduya know, you do follow JTs ideals."
In that case, I wonder if he thinks that people ignoring him is a sign that he wins. If he does, then he is EXACTLY like JT.

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well judging by the fact that he/she has never replied to a single post in the forum that raises points to show how flawed their logic is, and instead just keeps posting the same thing again at the end of the thread, ignoring all the counterpoints, it sounds an AWFUL lot like JT.
ITs like he/she is banging their head against a brick wall repeatedly after being told not to, that it will physically damage them, and shouting 'See SEE! IT doesnt damage me at all! LLOK *gurgle* LHHOOK *bashes a tooth out* *ththloooook! *looks up with giant black eye*.. then garbles and falls to the floor.
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Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cook-book! Little Red Cook-book!
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
LoL man give it up it's obvious you're just trolling to try to piss people off. I'd post some counters to your points but it's kinda pointless since you're just making things up.
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
I'm not trying to piss anyone off, am I not allowed to have a different view then you? Is this site 100% pro violent video games?
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Just pro games, and against minors getting their hands on violent games.
However, unlike people, for instance the idiot who caused the above to happne by blocking the R18 rating from being implemented, we believe that the decision on if a minor gets a hold of said games is up to the parents. Not the industry, not the government, not the retailer, the parents.
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And unfortunatly these days, a lot parents fail to monitor their kids. I know my parents did a good job of it and I know there are good deal of parents on this site who do the same. (Kudos to you guys)
When parents stop being irresponsible and become more involved with thier children like my parents did, than I'll be happy.
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Exactly. The ratings are right there alogn with a clear description as to why that game has that rating. Movie ratings aren't even that clear.
By the logic these people use, all power tool manufacturers should have been out of business ages ago.
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Its so easy to go to the esrb and check out whats good and whats not. Instead people don't care becasue they always claim to know whats right. When you claim to know whats right you, often your going to be wrong.
PLUS we got so many differnt things for parental controls on systems and games. You don't need the goverment, you don't need watchdog groups, you don't need any of this BS, everything is right there and you choose to IGNORE it! We are waiting for people to become aware about whats in place to prevent kids from having violent games.
IT ANT ROCKET SCEINCE!
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Ok. This guy is 100% troll.
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CORRECTION! Why don't you GROW UP SAGE?
Shootings are sad no doubt, but when people like you try to promote your own agenda by using such a tragedy such as the german school shooting, its even more disgusting. You ignore the fact that an individual is repsonible for killing people and instead point the finger at something that you can't even prove or claim correct facts from. HOW can you just shift the blame on something that at the most was only a factor? HOW can you be so frigging irresponible?
Everytime you claim a game is at fault your even more irresponible for whos to blame and how ignorant you can be.
Virgnina tech! A teenager went on a shooting spree and YOU (Jack thompson, you dam right I know who you are) claimed that no not the kids fault, blame the game WHEN in fact there was no evidenc eto prove that he ever played it in college.
GTFO
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
LOL the Wii remote and Wii Zapper has no recoil like a real gun. Its a piece of plastic that you hold and shoot at the screen.
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Well let's say for instance...a young adult plays this game and Far Cry 2. The Far Cry game teaches them how to realistically reload and use pistols, the most commonly used firearm. And House of the Dead teaches them how to accurately aim the same gun. It ends in a "trained murderer" who could go off on a mass shooting at any time due to their desensitization from the violent games they play. Of course not everyone will go out killing, but a small percent will. And i'm worried about that small percent. That's why games like these should be banned. Any game that supports violence, rape, or homosexuality, especially to minors, should be banned in my opinion.
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People are incredibly innovative, for better or worse, and can use any knowledge (even that which would normally be used to help people) to hurt and kill. They've been able to obtain these skills since before there was a massive entertainment industry, and they'll be able to do so after it's long gone.
It's a waste of time trying to whipe things out on the fear that people could learn to hurt people. It would be better instead to focus on teaching them to be responsible, and making them understand the consequences of their actions, as the majority of citizens have learned.
Also, you acknowledge that this is a small percentage of people. Every incedent of that nature is tragic, but instead of attempting to get rid of the triggers, why not have our various governments devote more time, money, and resources to researching more powerful and successful forms of treatment for the various mental instabilities and illnesses that make such people psychologically vulnerable? That way they'd have a better quality of life as well, ey?
"Any game that supports violence, rape, or homosexuality, especially to minors, should be banned in my oppinion."
In all of the games that I've played, I've never seen violence "supported" as much as being portrayed as a necassary act in far less than ideal circumstances. Not to mention that wether an act of violence is morally right or wrong is wholly dependant under the circumstances under which it occurs, such as self defense versus murder or assault. As for rape, I've never even heard of games that portray rape at all, aside from "Custer's Revenge" and "Rapelay", both of which suck tremendously, and neither are available in retail outside of Japan (regarding Rapelay).
Homosexuality is relative in terms of morals and ethics. Some, predominately religious groups and followers, view it as evil and sinful, whereas others simply view it as a different lifestyle. It is up to individual parents to decide which view they wish to instill in their children.
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I can't recall the locolized JP horror based PS2 game but it had rape in it if just aluded, it liek violince is jsut a story element.
Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.
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Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Movies teach people how firearms work as well as video games dose not to mention training and hunting videos that teach you how to operate and maintain the tools fo the trade.
The problem is like the bible its far more a tool than anything else, a pistol has 2 or 4 general moving parts that are universal, if one plays darts or paint ball or air soft or BB/pellet or just a nerf foam dart guns one can grasp the finer points of of point and shoot, of coarse a gun is heavier and the recoil is a bitch if you work out a little this can be minimized.
What I am getting at most firearms are easy to use because they are perfected tools and all it takes is someone willing to train their body a bit and learn basic projectrory with a toy gun of some kind. The trouble is so life is both figuratively and literately dangerous to us so lets skip all this fou moralistic brown nosing and ban life!
As for the bible its abused constantly and yet is rarely picked on(reasonably) because its somehow a fundamental right, as is most things in life.
Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.
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And with your inane little rant above you have proven that your knowledge of real weapons is absolutely ZERO. To say that these games offer any sort of reasonable training in the actual use of firearms is beyond idiotic.
Does playing Madden mean that the average gamer will be able to get signed on in an NFL team?
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Huh... Video games train people in certain fields, eh? In that case, I should buy a baseball game and concentrate on playing first base, so I can get back to playing for real.
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Well said, Erik.

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Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
Far from it... i've played plenty of shooter games in my time and not a single one of them taught me how to reload a gun. Also there are many factors to firing a gun and that its much harder than games make it seem as their is much that is not accounted for.
Not to mention that games that actually utilize a gun-like controller are rather rare... until the wii came out with their wiigun, games like that could only be found in arcades, the popularity of which has declined greatly over the years. Essentially most of the people you would claimed were "trained" on games most likely didn't play games with a physical gun controler and just played them with normal controllers... so any accuracy they might have shown while handling a gun in there crimes was not trained in the fashion that you explain...
In fact, when it comes to the shooting in germany, i'm not sure if i'm mixing up cases, but i think in that case the shooter like to play with airsoft guns or something like that and supposedly had a fair collection of them... knowing that i'd be hard pressed to say the games taught him how to shoot.
The desensitization is also another unproven factor... Jack and his like like to say the military use games to desensitize solidiers, but in his book, John Stossel i think it was, looks into the issue... he connected military officials and got a direct answer from them saying the games were used for developing teamwork and hand eye corridination and that's about it
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Then we also need to ban every single movie that fits your world view don't we? As those are not polygons and pixels but real people.
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Obvious troll is obvious... you are not even funny.
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Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
And House of the Dead teaches them how to accurately aim the same gun.
Then why am I so bad at Clay Pigeon shooting, by your locgic I should be some sort of gunslinging zen master by now, unless of course your claim is completely innaccurate and unfounded.....
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It ends in a "trained murderer"
um.. wrong.
murder must be comitted against another human being. If somebody played a game, they are therefore NOT a 'trained murderer' as no murder has been comitted.
Australian Watchdog Group Whines OverHouse of the Dead: Overkill
Wrong again, jabroni. Small percentages are statistically insignificant.
Grow up and get a life.
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How to reload a gun in a game (RB+A)
How to reload a gun in real life................................ Pull the triger than throw it on the ground? I honestly don't know
I don't see your connection between a game being a gun trainner when your not even using a device that is exactly like or a gun or simmilar.
Get off your horse and don't let the door slam on you as you leave.
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I hope you are not serious.
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
maybe gamers should apply to be a race (or whatever you need to be one) so we can call these people racists
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Lets see who is laughing after there will be zombie uprising!
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But are they training them enough? News sources disagree!
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/are_violent_video_games
Re: Australian Watchdog Group Slams House of the Dead: Overkill
You know it's not just teenagers who feel the effects of large amounts of violence, adults are just as prone to being desensatized by these games. I don't believe anyone should even think about playing this game. I read a couple reviews on it and I think it's horrible. It will only teach kids that swearing is "cool" and that killing is acceptable. And train unstable adults in killing tactics.
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Religion desensitizes people with greater effect than general fiction, mainly because general fiction is mostly consumed by people that take it figuratively were as religoin is taken literately resulting in far more damage to society.
/lulzy statement.
Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.
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HI DEROVIUS!
Been a long time, did you think we'd forgot this was your imaginary friend or something?
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what?
just.. what?
'train unstable adults in killing tactics'
are you serious? .. you do know the game is an on rails light gun game using the wiimote to shoot ZOMBIES (yes zombies.. even zombies dressed as CLOWNS - thats how 'serious and realistic' the game is).
So what does it 'teach' them then? How to point something at somebody and press button?
Do you think that without this game, burgalars would rob stores and NOT know that you have to 'point' a gun and 'pull a trigger'?
what would you expect an 'untrained' person to do? point the barrel at themselves and shout 'Shoot magic gun shoot! i command you!'.
The whole POINT of a gun is that even in the hands of a novice, a gun is DESIGNED to be simple (yet effective). Thats the whole reason military technology advanced. you dont 'need' training with a gun to be able to injure somebody. Sure.. to become SKILLED (i.e. an expert marksman) you need training.. but dont kid yourself that a) you need to be 'skilled' to hurt somebody with a gun, you dont, or that b) that this game provides any more 'training' than their brains and basic thoughts give them.
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Yeah, I can't tell if he's being sarcastic or trolling either.
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From his other posts it seems he is just a troll, his wording kind of reminds me of a more restrained JT.
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Yah, but sometimes, troll or no troll, ya just gotta say something, less someone else take him/her seriously.
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Relax, I'm pretty sure it's a trolling post.