BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

March 25, 2009 -

Jack Thompson e-mailed GamePolitics a few minutes ago to say that Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) has vetoed HB 353, the video game/movie bill passed overwhelmingly by the Utah House and Senate.

We've also confirmed this with another source in Utah.

According to Thompson, backers of the bill plan to seek an override of the Guv's veto.

We're hearing (not from Thompson) that the word on the street is that retailers lobbied the Guv energetically.

GP: Color me surprised. I did not think that Huntsman would buck the legislature on this one.

UPDATE: Saintless has Gov. Huntsman's explanation of his veto:

After careful consideration and study, I have decided to veto HB 353...

While protecting children from inappropriate materials is a laudable goal, the language of this bill is so broad that it likely will be struck down by the courts as an unconstitutional violation of the Dormant Commerce Clause and/or the First Amendment.

The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

 

Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors.


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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I'm taking bets.  How long before Jack starts claiming the Utah governor has been bribed/turned liberal/abducted by aliens?

M. Carusi
Capitol Gaming
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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Apparently only a few hours.

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Come on Dennis, why not let Johnny Brucie back on the site so he can share his feelings?  I'm dying to hear how this is All Part Of The Plan, straight from the horse's ass's mouth.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

My faith in people has been restored. Jack Thompson, I think I saw you at a restruant somewhere in West Virginia. Stay away from me, thank you.

Oh and

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

-Walks up to an old stereo, puts a magnetic tape cassette in and plays... "We are the Champion." Picks up the radio, and wavers it triumphly at Jack's face.-

Ahhh the sweet joys and sounds of justice. Don't you like it Jack?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I am surprised.  I was expecting the next round would be a court battle.

Which we may still get.  Goverment 101: Vetoed bills go back to the Legislator to be voted upon again, and if they can muster a 2/3rds majority, it passes without the Governor's signature.

Considering the lovely people back at the Senate and House passed this piece of trash overwhelmingly in the first place, there's a good chance they'll go ahead and vote it into law.  So, just a minor detour before we get to the court battles.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

HOLY CRAP!!  At least someone in politics had enough sense to realize this bill would do more harm than good.  Utah just won some cool points.    There still in the negative, but who isn't?

 

We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Logic..... won?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I must admit.  I'm shocked my own self.  Logic won...  In Utah, of all places.

No, Luke, I AM the Walrus

No, Luke, I AM the Walrus

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Maybe any gamers in Utah should thank the governer in a fax or e-mail? I'm thinking that after the people from the Eagle Forum are done clogging up the governer's fax and e-mail, a few "thank you"'s would be nice.

I never though I'd have a nice thing to say about the MPAA.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Hmmm... Objectivity really seems to be a lost art among politicians.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

You've really got to hand it to Jack. He's so driven to get his name in the news he'll proudly, and quickly, proclaim when even his own 100% bulletproof bill gets shot down in flames.

That's one twisted individual (like that's a surprise to anyone here).

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

And the Jackhole death ray strikes again.

Sponsor some more bills, will ya!

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Oh, I can't wait to hear this, bet this guy is now in on the conspericy.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

All I can do is laugh.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Laugh with me!

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Jack, this is just for you:

 

EPIC FAIL

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

$5 says that Jack Thompson eventually calls for the impeachment of Jon Huntsman for no other reason than he went agains him

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Like anyone would bet against you on that.  Certainly not at 1:1 odds.  1:100,000, maybe.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

If he hasn't already.

Then again, he'd be whining about an already very popular governor that currently has an 84% job approval rating.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Yay for freedom and parental responsibility.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Instead of writing game-related exclamory remarks at random, let people place it here...

OK? I'll start....

 

PWNED!!!!

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

 

EXPECT THE HEADS OF JACK THOMPSON AND THE EAGLE FORUM TO EXPLODE IN 15 MINUTES....

TBoneTony

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Like I said, I thought it was just as likely that Huntsman would veto it, because of his potential Presidential bid. He wants to be seen as a maverick like John McCain was, and vetoing this bill was a maverick move.

To the best of my knowledge, Huntsman becomes the first governor to veto video game legislation of any kind.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Even if this is a political move it is still the right move.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I was honestly not expecting such an apparently well reasoned veto, let alone any veto. 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Visual description of the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YruAOxWG5uU&feature=channel

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

In the words of the almighty Brentalfloss, "You just got pwned FTW!"

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wait, did reason just work? No. Fucking. Way.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Nothing has failed this epically since the Detroit Lions went 0-16, or America's decision to switch over to cheaper Chinese made condoms.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Chinese condoms? Srsly?

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1100966.html for reelz

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wow.  I'm amazed, but extremely impressed.  Kudos to taking time to review this faulty law, governor.

M. Carusi
Capitol Gaming
http://capitolgaming.blogspot.com

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Here's the Deseret News reaction on the veto: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705293125/Huntsman-vetoes-video-game-bill.html

Looks doubtful that the Legislature would reconvene for an override session. So for this year, the veto will probably stand.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

lol

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Deseret News already got more info and reactions on the veto:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705293125/Huntsman-vetoes-video-game-bill.html

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

If you would have bet me what the governor was going to do, I wouldn't have bet on this.  What a shock... and how nice it is to see a government official realize something's unintended consequences.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Suck it down JT.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

0 of 2,000,000 Jack!!!!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

While I think it's a good thing the governor was thinking of the people of Utah and the potential costs they would incure, I happen to disagree with a statement he made:

"The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors."

The argument fails in the sense that the ratings themselves wouldn't be removed from the products.  The result would be that retailers would stop using the ratings in policies.  I very seriously doubt that the ESRB and MPAA would stop rating products because of this bill.

Parents, therefore, wouldn't be without the informational resource.  They would merely not have the voluntary support of retailers.  Not exactly a disaster considering that the policies are easily gotten around anyway.  But it's nice to know they voluntarily chose to set such policies.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Is the showing of a rating the equivalent of claiming you'll enforce it? Jack said it was, remember? The Senate did NOT include the suggested amendment that said it was not an advertizement making that claim. As such, it can easily be claimed the politicians would go after these depicted ratigns, meaning you might have to remove them.

In other words, it's the refusal of the Senate to include that amendment that opens up this way of reasoning.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Any display can probably be defined as "advertisment".  A review, customer or professional, could be defined as "advertisment" using the same argument.  One could, if one desired, claim that making false public statments would also constitute "false advertising" under the same argument.  It's not that far of a stretch.

But, the FACTS, and as we know the Traitor John Bruce is not know for FACTS, let alone Truth, honor, ethics, or morality, say that the rating system, ANY rating system, isn't an advertisment in favor or even against ANY product.  They are a summary of content to be used as information for individuals and Parents alike to make informed, intelligent, decisions as to what is or is not appropriate for them or their children.  One MIGHT argue that this is a selling point, positive or negative, and therefore is "advertisment".  But see the references to professional and even customer reviews above.

The accuracy of the Traitor John Bruce?  He thinks two male characters kissing in a game is "gay sex", but doesn't call a male and female kissing in a game "straight sex".  You want better accuracy than the Traitor John Bruce?  Find something broken that mechanically gives you incorrect information.  That's more accurate than the Traitor John Bruce.  At least the broken mechanical device has a genuine excuse.  The Traitor John Bruce's failure is intentional.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

From what the guv said, it sounds like the industry reps were pretty serious about their threat to take off the ratings. It's basically blackmail ... but that's such a strong word. It was pretty damn smooth though.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Well not really, the Guv is exaggerating what was said by industry reps. From what we've heard of them saying, people like Vance said their was a possibility that they might choose not to enforce the ratings, if they can be held liable. There wasn't much certainty, just the talk of the possibility... Furtharmore, their was no mention of dropping the ratings as a whole; the game industry would still make use of the rating system, it's just that the voluntary enforcement that retailers give it might disappear.

It's not blackmail, it's just a business practice... sometimes a business might be willing to take some bad PR if it means they can avoid being sued... There wasn't a mass of retailers saying that was exactly what they would do, just random people trying to predict what managers MIGHT do in such a situation. 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I'd like to think he misunderstood.

I'd had to think that the industries would vacate the rating systems themselves.

I'd also hate to think the governor lied about the industry threatening to vacate the rating systems to drum up misinformed support for the bill. 

So I'll go on the assumption, for now, that he just misunderstood.  Maybe he thinks the ratings and the policies are tied together, which they aren't.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Let's not forget that Huntsman is a politician and what a politician says usually has much spin. Who knows what really went into his decision to veto? But whatever it was, you can bet that he'll come up with something to say that shines a most favorable light on himself.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I remember that. Meaning if this went through he and his cronies would be touring the state suing retailers.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

        *Final fantasy Victory music*

Yup yup yup, Guvy Decided not to waste ink on a piece of garbage called HB353, This is good news for my tax dollars, Well I dont know what to say about you honeycakes, I think's it's about time to leave utah and go back to that cardboard box you call a mansion.

 

We should have a party, Free Taco's! And DDR on the house!

 

Magic Taco

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

DAMIIT! dont play that tune!

It means i HAVE to go and listen to my entire final fantasy music collection 13 times or my family will die.

 

*twitches nervously*

 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Ahh who is this guy imma send him a box of cookies.

 
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