BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

March 25, 2009 -

Jack Thompson e-mailed GamePolitics a few minutes ago to say that Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) has vetoed HB 353, the video game/movie bill passed overwhelmingly by the Utah House and Senate.

We've also confirmed this with another source in Utah.

According to Thompson, backers of the bill plan to seek an override of the Guv's veto.

We're hearing (not from Thompson) that the word on the street is that retailers lobbied the Guv energetically.

GP: Color me surprised. I did not think that Huntsman would buck the legislature on this one.

UPDATE: Saintless has Gov. Huntsman's explanation of his veto:

After careful consideration and study, I have decided to veto HB 353...

While protecting children from inappropriate materials is a laudable goal, the language of this bill is so broad that it likely will be struck down by the courts as an unconstitutional violation of the Dormant Commerce Clause and/or the First Amendment.

The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

 

Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors.


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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

'koo.

I'm eager to hear Mr. Thompson's response. It would probably be somewhere around "the goverenor is an idiot" and "I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, GADGET!"

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Jack perhaps already got his pet Cat and going off to MAD island yelling "I'ill get you next time Gamers...NEXT TIME!!!!!"

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

To be honest, this was not what I antcipated. I thought it would pass, go to court, die. But the smart gov said "screw that" and killed the bill before it ever wasted taxpayer dollars in legal fees. So, the good news, bill dead. Bad news, Gov Huntsman will now have to put up with JT endlessly calling "Conspiracy" on him.

Kudo to the gov. Mans got some brains.

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Instead of the wrath of JT and the Eagle Forum, I think the Govenor is better off because he has just won the fans of many Videogamers and people within the Industry in Utah.

Also with many parents who are thankful for the ESRB ratings and also the Movie goers who love R rated movies it is a big thing for them.

As a politician, you keep your friends close, and your enamies closer so you can always remind them that if they make such a silly attempt at a half assed legislation, the govenor will just veto it anyway.

 

TBoneTony

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

That was a smooth move by the game industry.

"Well, you know, if this passes, I guess we can't put any ratings on the games ... sigh ..."

"Alright I'll veto, I'll veto!"

Thompson completely freaking owned again. I love it.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Prolly MPAA as well. "No more age ratings in movie advertizements, on billboards advertizing movies, on the covers as you rent or buy them..."

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I am willing to admit as a gamer that if the Movie Industry was not also targeted, then this bill would have been passed by the Governor.

Thank god we have allot of friends in the Movie Industry, at least they also understand how it is like to be targeted by religious political coservatives.

 

TBoneTony

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

This is going to get really ugly, really fast.  Now, the state of Utah will see what other state's politicians learned- Jack Thompson is a mean psycho.

 

Oh, and add this guy to the conspiracy list.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

But Jack, you are the Demons, I mean Conspiracy.

 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

No good deed goes unpunished. At this very moment, Gargoyle Ruzicka's activating her phone and email trees. By midday tomorrow, the poor Guv's switchboard will be tied up and his Inbox will be full and overflowing.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Congratulations to Gov. Huntsman for actually thinking through the ramifications of passing this bill, rather than just the ramifications to his political career.  He made a bold and wise judgment call on this one and think he should be aplauded (and I do NOT say that often about ANY politician let alone a Republican one, lol!)...

Tavin.

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HALLELUAH!! This guy's smarter than he looks!! Kudos, Gov. Huntsman! I promise you, you will NOT regret this!

THANK YOU!

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I'm glad he's seen the idiocy behind the act.  Keeping kids safe is great, being stupid about it is bad.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Tis truly a rare breed of politician...

One who listens to advice, weighs a situation to see whether or not the end justifies the means (and whether than end can even be achieved), considers other factors (such as almost certain overturns from the judicial system) and makes the correct choice based on evidence rather than personal feelings.

We in Australia would like to borrow Gov. Huntsman for a bit, possibly to fill the role of the Attorney General of South Australia (R18+ game ratings) or Communications Minister (ISP mandatory censorship).  A bit of evidenced based decision making from politicians rather than emotive clap trap is desparately needed.

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Sorry, but he's ours and you can't have any...

 

Well, maybe just a few braincells, that should get the ball rolling for you.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Color me surprised, a governer that makes decisions with the brain instead of on what looks good on paper when reelections come around.  maybe the voters in Utah aren't completely moronic

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Excellent news :) Why can't Thompson and his cronies in the Eagle forum see that this botched attempt at legislation would have the opposite effect to that which they desire. The Governor rightly saw that it would be unconstitutional, and as we have been saying again, and again, and again, would lead to retailers abandoning any attempts to enforce ESRB ratings as store policy.

You know that a law is stupid when it punishes those who try, and ignores those who don't bother.

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"The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services. "

The ESA showed some intestinal fortitude? Wow!

But then again, it makes a point: ALL of these laws are based around the ESRB rating system. You kill that system, the bill is rendered moot.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

It wasn't just the ESRB, it was also the MPAA. Their ratings are also voluntary, and would of fallen under this 'law' as well.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Uh... yay for blackmail?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wow, considering even the gamers expected it to pass (issues on why it didn't do shit not withstanding)  this is quite a shock.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

OH SNAP!

This is literally the reaction I had when I read the headline.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Common sense prevails once more.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

YES!!!!!

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Yes it is very nice to see some common sense among our political leaders.  No, it's not the end of the story on this bill, but perhaps the governor's words would help others to see reason.  This was a dumb bill from any perspective...even if one believes that violent media is harmful, a bill that would lead to LESS use of voluntary labels makes little sense (I suspect it was a backhanded way to try to force mandated, state-controlled labels).

Perhaps continued advocacy and getting the word about the "real state" of the scientific evidence rather than the advocacy nonsense has been effective.

 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Thing is, the Gov. was in a difficult position, no matter what he chose to do with this Bill, he would have been accused of being influenced by one side or the other, he's either under the thumb of the Video Game industry, or under the thumb of the Eagle Forum.

The thing is though, the gaming Industry didn't force his hand, it was pressure from the Eagle Forum et al that led to the creation of this law, and the retailers responded to that attack, so this looks more to me of a case of refusing to buckle to the Eagle Forums' demand than buckling to the Retailers' defence of it.

My congrats to the Gov. for looking at the law from a point of view outside the Thompson-generated rumour-mill.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wow, I am very surprised...

Well its good news for everyone...

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

The fun will start when Jack starts to calling names on the governor. I really hope this happens so they have a good view of who really is Jack Thompson.

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are you kidding? 

I feel sorry for the govs fax-machine already.
He's going to get spammed and you know it.
JT generally takes his losses very badly, especially when he's that close.

 

 

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

This'll be a first then, because he's never been that close XD

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Yeah, nobody think on those poor fax-machines anymore...

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I honestly thought this could go either way. I never thought Huntsman was such a bad guy. It's amusing to step back and see that all the people who were bashing him and thinking he'd pass it just because he's Republican are now singing his praises.

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I disagree.  I think it would be wrong of us NOT to praise him because he is Republican rather than it being in any way construde as a U-turn.  We are on opposing sides of a political divide, united with our love of gaming.  There are going to be many disagreements and frankly I don't see gaming as a big issue when ti comes to voting, no matter which side of the Atlantic we are on.  However one thing remains true; when people do something, however unexpected, that is common sense and well thought out, they deserve praise.

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Definately. And like I said, he seems like a pretty cool guy. I'm just a fan of pointing out irony.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

What the the override laws in Utah?  2/3rds?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

AHAHAAHAHAHAAAHH @ JT.

Thats all i have to say seriously.

The guy is an utter failure.

After reading the goeverners leter, his reasons for vetoing are exactly what we have been saying. Shame Thompson is too much of an idiont, and to arrogant to actually listen to anybody.

Well done JT. you have struck a massive blow to 'the industry' and their 'conspiricy to deal pornography to minors'. Well done indeed. You have us gamers right where you want us now dont you , y'know, with your disgraced ex-profession, and growing collection failed legislation. I mean you must have a hefty paperweight collection now. Nice one. good for you.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Thompson loses, AGAIN, extra empahsis on AGAIN.

Though agreed, he and his "friends" will fight like hell to push their personal beliefs on us.

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how many times jt has lost so far(just asking)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

It think he's lost so many times it's better to ask how many times he's won...

I think that number is 0.  He must've been an amazing lawyer.

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I dunno, I lost count (and stopped caring after his disbarrment anyway)

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Yep, it was vetoed, and the Gov's reasons were exactly what they should be. I just posted his letter on my blog:

http://saintless.com/2009/03/25/gov-vetoed-hb-353/

 

 - M

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wow, glad he was able to see the same problems we were seeing.

Seems to be he also saw the part that the one who drafted this bill was hoping to exploit.

 

Thompson just reminds me of an 80s movie villain. Trying hard as hell to outlaw something the younger generation finds fun, and failing time and time again.

I guess it;'s like Footloose but with video games.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

So, like "Joysticks", then.  Crappy 80's comedy about a local politician trying to close down the video arcade.  It features Joe Don Baker (Mitchell!)

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though grant it, he does get things slightly wrong... pople within the industry said that retailers might choose not to enforce the ratings. Not that they would likely do it, and that they would get rid of the ratings completly... he's still correct, but it's a bit of an exaggeration of what would happen. It is afeterall true that a number of retailers would rather risk some bad PR than to actually become liable for what they do not have absolute control over; retailers don't have ability to micro manage and watch everything their employees do

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I highly enjoyed his well thought out (albeit short) response! Maybe with that thinking in mind, some of the people in the State Senate will change their minds! More to the point, hopefully that enough change their minds to fall below the 2/3 veto overturn requirement

Thanks for posting it!

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Anyways, I think his decission is very well justified. That bill just has too many holes to be functional. I´m glad that Utah´s guv was strong enough to see it and for not let him to be dragged by uninformed persons as Utah Senate members.

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Huzzah! Huzzah!

I raise my sword at thee, Governor Huntsman.

 
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