BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

March 25, 2009 -

Jack Thompson e-mailed GamePolitics a few minutes ago to say that Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) has vetoed HB 353, the video game/movie bill passed overwhelmingly by the Utah House and Senate.

We've also confirmed this with another source in Utah.

According to Thompson, backers of the bill plan to seek an override of the Guv's veto.

We're hearing (not from Thompson) that the word on the street is that retailers lobbied the Guv energetically.

GP: Color me surprised. I did not think that Huntsman would buck the legislature on this one.

UPDATE: Saintless has Gov. Huntsman's explanation of his veto:

After careful consideration and study, I have decided to veto HB 353...

While protecting children from inappropriate materials is a laudable goal, the language of this bill is so broad that it likely will be struck down by the courts as an unconstitutional violation of the Dormant Commerce Clause and/or the First Amendment.

The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

 

Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors.


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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Huzzah! Huzzah!

I raise my sword at thee, Governor Huntsman.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

So what does that make the score?

Common Sense - 7
Airhead politicians - 0

Anyway score another one for the good guys!!

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

WOW! FINALLY someone with a brain!

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I hate to sidetrack, but you know that STALKER: SOC, and STALKER: CS don't use SecuROM right? :P

I will give you credit in that the images show generic DRM instead.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

But I have a question, can't the State Senate overturn the veto with 2/3 majority like the Federal Legislative Branch? Because if that's the case, they had more than enough numbers to do that with the first vote and the veto will be a moot point.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

I believe so... we can only hope that the govenor's veto will convince over a third of the senate to reconsider the issue. Which is possible... if i recall, an anti-video game bill was once brought up in utah but i think the senate actually voted agianst it; no clue how the govenor felt, but i think the AG spoke out against the bill because it would not hold up in court... so with the govenor's influence, those who voted agianst the bill last time but supported it this time might turn back around...

Grant it, when the bill fails in court, atleast the govenor can hold his head up high and say that he actually tried to prevent the enevitable and save Utah its tax money.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

The last time, Thompson was involved again, and because Shurtleff, the AG of Utah spoke about concerns about the constitutionality of the bill, Thompson called for his impeachment, in typical Thompson style ;)

As for overthrowing the veto, it's difficult to say which way it will go, if the American politics works anything like UK politics, then it will depend, in part, on how many Republicans there are on the Senate, since there's always the risk of making the party look divided if this sort of thing happens, i.e. 'how can a party have a policy when it's own members can't agree?',so it is discouraged once the decision has been made, but I'm not certain if that would be the case in the US.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Yes, a 2/3 supermajority of the Utah Senate can override the Governor's veto and, given the vote count when the bill passed the Senate, that shouldn't be difficult. The difficulty lies in getting them to come back from their vacations to a Special Session. The Senate adjourned for the year weeks ago.

@GoodRobotUs: It's Utah. There are no Democrats to be found in the entire State. But for my girl, Saintless. Just kidding. But, seriously, I'd imagine there aren't more than a handful of Dems in the Utah Legislature.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

So is there usually a special session in cases like this, or is there like a process they must go through to get it and thus it is possible that this issue may just have to wait until the senate offcially starts up again?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Usually, it's just a matter of the Legislature reconvening itself in a Special Session. But before doing so, the leadership (majority and minority leaders, whips, etc.) have a good sense of whether or not they'll have all the bodies and votes they need. If they don't have either the bodies or the votes, then they won't call for a Special Session. If they don't, then the best Morley and his buddies can do is wait 'til the 2010 Session and re-introduce his legislation.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

According to Utah's Constitution, they have to get a 2/3rds majority of both houses to reconvene for up to five days within 60 days of the adjournment of the legislature. Which means they have until May 11th to override if they decide to reconvene.

Also, if Morley has to reintroduce the legislation in 2010, who's to say that Gov. Huntsman won't veto it again(Huntsman just won re-election this past November)?

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

You're right. My bad. It does take both chambers.

I'm assuming (big assumption) Morely's not daft enough to re-submit his bill in the same form as was vetoed and will re-draft it to address the reasons and concerns stated by Huntsman for the veto -- if he can (I doubt that Jack's little idea is a "bulletproof" as he thinks it is and crafting legislation regulating artistic speech under the guise of an advertising regulation which passes constitutional muster is easier said than done).  

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

That's a good question, we're not out of the woods yet

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Hush, don't ruin the moment.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Hehe, sorry to put the damper on the ray of sunshine :)

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Utah Guv: FALCON-- PUUUUUNCH!!!!!

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

That always struck me as the next big extreme sports beverage/soda.

Feeling down? Bored? Sick of life? Then go ahead and drink a nice tasty...

FALCON PUUUNCH!!!!!

Full of Vitamin C..... its an incoming fist to the face!!!!

 

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

It just sucks they have the ability to Falcon Punch right back in the form of a 2/3 vote or higher.

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

They have to get a 2/3rds vote in both houses to reconvene first, then get the 2/3rds vote in both houses to override. The governor's only vetoed one other bill besides this one. I don't think the Utah Legislature would be dumb enough to reconvene over two bills(unless Gargoyle Ruzicka pays them all off, but then that would be bribery).

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Just had this confirmed to me as well, while sitting in a meeting. Should have a story up on www.deseretnews.com later tonight.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

YES!

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

HELL YES! Honestly though, was anyone really suprised by this bills failure? I know this will be a giant relief for those in Utah

Live long, game hard, and don't cheat.

Live long, game hard, and don't cheat.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Well, the thing is, no body would have expected the bill to fail in THIS manner... the court is one thing, judges must uphold the constitution, the law and take everything into consideration... Politicains on the other hand are free to step all over the law; so long as they can say half-way convicingly that its to "protect the children", they can get away with anything and come out on top... normally a goveneror would not go against such a bill because it would not be beneficial politically; yes it would save tax money, court time, and would be protecting free speech, but a lot of voters don't consider such things and only care about the "protect the children" mantra

Though the govenor did the right thing, this action would more likely be used AGAINST him in a politcal campaign

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Funny enough, he did say his reasoning was to protect the children. His real fear (and the fear of others) was that they may just pull the ESRB ratings instead of even using them and thus he was worried that more kids would get their hands on it.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

phew, that was close, I'll send a letter thanking gov. jon huntsmann for making my life feel ok

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

There you are. I was looking for you. Thought you'd left us for good.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Really?

I'm glad, I'm just surprised. Honestly did not expect that.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Wow!  That was totally unexpected, at least by myself.  Fan-bloody-tastic.  Can't wait to hear the fallout from this and Jack's rants and threats :D

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Don't get too comfortable.  This is all part of Jack's master plan.  First he gets disbarred, then his pet legislation gets vetoed, then the legislators will overturn the veto, then the Supreme Court will rule the law unconstitutional, then, just when everyone thinks games are safe, Jack will construct a secret underground lair somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, rename himself Dr. Evil, and hold the world ransom for... ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

1$ Million Dollars isn't as much as it used to be.

 

TRY 100$ BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

UTAH: What's that?

GAMERS:  That's the money you could have saved by not listening to Jack Thompson...

*cue music*

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

LMFAO

I hate you. I laughed so hard I had to actually log in just tell you how awesome you are.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

"Hey!  I'm over here, ya greedy bastard!"

"C'mon, pick me up, sh*thead!"

(Can't help it, that's the first thing that popped to mind when I saw those commercials. :)

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

You are awarded 3 internets for that Conkers Bad Fur Day reference!

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Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Well then I will give one to Jack.  He could probably use a little pick-me-up right about now.

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Really? No seriously, really? Austin Powers references? Have you no shame?

Re: BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Oh no, at that price Bill Gates or Steve Jobs would have to rummage their sofa cushions for about five minutes in order to come up with that kind cash.

 
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