Utah House Majority Leader: Override of Game Bill Veto Unlikely
Utah House Majority Leader: Override of Game Bill Veto Unlikely
March 26, 2009
HB 353, the Jack Thompson-conceived video game/movie bill which was vetoed yesterday by Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, is unlikely to return - at least in 2009.
The Deseret News reports that Utah House Majority Leader Kevin Garn (R, left) downplayed the likelihood of an override for either HB 353 or a second, non-game-related measure vetoed by Huntsman yesterday.
I don't see a veto override session called for either of these bills. I think the sponsors should retool them and present them next session.
Garn, however, did praise the legislation:
[HB 353] was a fine example of a bill that sends a message to the sellers of these games of violence and nudity — don't sell to minors, especially if you've advertised that you wouldn't.
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Posted 02/09/10 at 03:51pm
DarkSaber: I think he just goes round the internet copy+pasting the same bollocks to get attention.
DarkSaber: I think he just goes round the internet copy+pasting the same bollocks to get attention.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:41pm
Valdearg: @DS: I have to admit, I chuckled when I saw the 4 Feb 2010 on that post.. >.<
Valdearg: @DS: I have to admit, I chuckled when I saw the 4 Feb 2010 on that post.. >.<
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:31pm
DarkSaber: Hm, Bioshock. Not that Zippy likes to beat the dead horse by ranting about it for TWO $&%£ING YEARS!
DarkSaber: Hm, Bioshock. Not that Zippy likes to beat the dead horse by ranting about it for TWO $&%£ING YEARS!
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:30pm
DarkSaber: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.173063-Bioshock-yet-another-zippy-rant
DarkSaber: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.173063-Bioshock-yet-another-zippy-rant
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:20pm
DarkSaber: Although, unsurprisingly, he's just being called an idiot alot and criticised for being as illegible as always.
DarkSaber: Although, unsurprisingly, he's just being called an idiot alot and criticised for being as illegible as always.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:18pm
DarkSaber: Oh good lord, I just found Zippy on The Escapist.
DarkSaber: Oh good lord, I just found Zippy on The Escapist.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:14pm
Valdearg: IE: Male body/Female Mind or Female Body/Male Mind.
Valdearg: IE: Male body/Female Mind or Female Body/Male Mind.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:13pm
Valdearg: @Zip: TG == Transgendered/Transsexual.
Valdearg: @Zip: TG == Transgendered/Transsexual.
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:09pm
DarkSaber: Forget it Zippy, it's an abbreviation of a big word and so would be wasted on you
DarkSaber: Forget it Zippy, it's an abbreviation of a big word and so would be wasted on you
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:07pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:....TG?
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:....TG?
Posted 02/09/10 at 03:02pm
Valdearg: @DS: Im sure that's what they'd do if it wasn't legal to just tell Gays/TG's to "Screw off," just because they're who they are.
Valdearg: @DS: Im sure that's what they'd do if it wasn't legal to just tell Gays/TG's to "Screw off," just because they're who they are.
Posted 02/09/10 at 02:50pm
DarkSaber: Whoever told him/her/it that is dumb. They should have done like most companies and made-up some bullshit, yet legal, reason for it not getting the job.
DarkSaber: Whoever told him/her/it that is dumb. They should have done like most companies and made-up some bullshit, yet legal, reason for it not getting the job.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:16pm
Andrew Eisen: Shouldn't be. Spirit of anti-discrimination laws would seem to include sexual orientation (and eye color). Plus there's always equal protection and such. Never know until you try.
Andrew Eisen: Shouldn't be. Spirit of anti-discrimination laws would seem to include sexual orientation (and eye color). Plus there's always equal protection and such. Never know until you try.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:10pm
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Andrew Eisen: Should have sued (unless that wasn't an option given her financial situation or something). Might have won.
Posted 02/09/10 at 01:00pm
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Valdearg: Story about a Male to Female TG who was expressly told she wouldn't be given a job because she was TG. Its not the main point of the story, but explicit, perfectly legal discrimination like this exists.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:53pm
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Valdearg: Lol, I don't know. It may very well be legal to do so. Though that might able to fall under the "race" restriction, depending on how that point is argued.
Posted 02/09/10 at 12:51pm
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
Valdearg: I don't think they do have any legal recourse. I'll have to dig around, but I seriously believe that if the law doesn't specifically mention Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity, they can still be discriminated against in those 29 states.
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That's right, Rep. Garn. Sometimes, when you've been knocked flat on your ass, it's better to just stay down on your ass.
[HB 353] was a fine example of a bill that sends a message to the sellers of these games of violence and nudity — don't sell to minors, especially if you've advertised that you wouldn't.
Actually it really just sends a message to retailers of "Don't even attempt to uphold community standards, if you try and fail we will do horrible things to you."
-Gray17
"Don't sell to minors or I shall taunt you a second time..."
More like 'dont inform parents of game content or i shall taunt you a second time'
I can't wait to see who Jack goes after now. If he tried to get the Utah AG impeached because he critisized (sp) Thompson's approach, who knows what he will try to do now. Hopefully, he will say/do something stupid to get his sorry ass arrested.
I'd post a response on what I hope Jack will do but I don't want that GP stalker to be warned by me how he can screw this all up, so I'll shut up now.
When are they up for reelection? I could see our old buddy popping up then to campaign against the Governer and maybe the house leader over the veto and not challenging it respectively. Of course if anyone running would want him to campaign on their behalf is another matter. I doubt anyone with a realistic shot would.
He was re-elected last november, so he has 3 more years to go.
Because that's what laws are for, right? Sending messages? I mean, who cares if it is constitutional, is enforceable, is reasonable, serves its intended purpose, is good governance, or any of that? As long as it "sends a message", everything else is just gravy.
Hmm, interesting logic. I was unaware that the ESRB ratings were a binding legal contract.
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
Even the ESRB itself wasn't aware of that.
It seems the only people who will defend this bill to the recrcling center are Thompson and his eagle forum "friends"
Jacky Boy's crying in the Deseret News article over Huntsman's veto:
http://www.deseretnews.com/user/comments/1,5143,705293125,00.html
Jacky Boy needs to change his Depends.
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
Someone, back up the WAAAAHMUBLANCE.
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
Careful, if the rear bumper taps him he'll sue.
Is he calling the Governor names?
-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/
At this point, are you really so shocked?
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
This also brings up what kind of screwed up legislature Utah has. Either it becomes law, it gets ignored and it becomes law, or it gets vetoed, and a vote of at least 2/3 makes it law.
---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
While overriding a veto needs a 2/3rds vote by both houses, first they have to get a 2/3rds vote by both houses to reconvene the legislature because the session ended(has to be done within 60 days of the legislature's adjournment).
Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.
Yeah, but as a practical matter, first they figure out if they've got the supermajority to override. If they do, then the vote to reconvene is a mere formality. The overide votes simply vote to reconvene. It's not like it's two distinct hurdles which must be overcome.
It actually could be two distinct hurdles. It's remarkably difficult to get 2/3 of a legislature to vote to come back into session even if 2/3 would vote to override.
Sure 2/3 might vote to override, but do those same 2/3 feel so strongly about it that they're willing to interrupt their vacations to get themselves back? That's a different question entirely.
I'd imagine that a reluctance to return for an override vote would manifest itself in an expression of reluctance to vote for an override. Not neccessarily the same thing, but it don't make much sense to say, "Yeah, I'll vote for the override but, no, I can't vote for the Special Session at which I'll cast my override vote."
Personally I wouldn't drag my ass off of vacation to reconvene for this....>_>
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More like a fine example of how utterly stupid you are Garn.