Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney General

March 30, 2009 -

In the fallout from his latest, apparently unsuccessful attempt to legislate video games in Utah, disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson has issued a vague legal threat to Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. The popular Republican is serving his third term as Utah's top law enforcement officer.

On Friday the Salt Lake Tribune reported that Shurtleff had expressed concerns about the legality of HB 353, the Thompson-conceived video game bill which was vetoed by Gov. Jon Huntsman last week.

Thompson, clearly, was not thrilled with the news. He referred to Shurtleff as "dead meat" in the header of an e-mail forwarded to GamePolitics later on Friday.

A Sunday e-mail from Thompson to Salt Lake Tribune reporter Robert Gehrke (and cc:'d to GP) threatens to "proceed" against Shurtleff if the A.G. doesn't move against major retailers for what Thompson claims is "the distribution of pornography to minors in violation of state law." By way of defining porn, Thompson attached links to strip club and hooker scenes from Grand Theft Auto IV. However, while certainly not intended for younger buyers, GTA IV has not been declared obscene in any U.S. jurisdiction.

Oh, and there's a deadline for Shurtleff to act: 5:00 P.M. today.

As GamePolitics has previously reported, Thompson called for Shurtleff's impeachment in 2007 when the A.G. suggested that a piece of Thompson-authored video game legislation then before the Utah House was unconstitutional.

GamePolitics has requested comment on Thompson's threat from Rep. Mike Morley, the sponsor of HB 353, as well as from Gayle Ruzicka, the politically-powerful Thompson ally who heads the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum. We have also asked Shurtleff's office to comment. We'll post any comments that we receive.

UPDATE: Apparently unable to wait for his own 5:00 P.M. deadline, Thompson has written to Utah's Obscenity and Pornography Complaints Ombudsman... Except that the person he addressed his letter to is a law enforcement director in Utah A.G.'s Office. The "porn czar" position was eliminated in 2003 for budgetary reasons - which may be an indication of how serious Thompson is about all of this.

UPDATE 2: Rep. Morley has commented to GamePolitics on Thompson's threat to "proceed" against Shurtleff: "I know nothing about that."

Hit the jump for Thompson's Sunday letter to Shurtleff, the "dead meat" e-mail and the new letter to the porn ombudsman:

 

Subject: Fw: Robert, I am proceeding against Shurtleff Monday if he does not act on the below...

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Thompson
To: xxxxx@sltrib.com
Cc: xxxxx@utah.gov
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:52 AM
Subject: Robert, I am proceeding against Shurtleff Monday if he does not act on the below...

 

As he is knowingly allowing the distribution of pornography to minors in violation of state law:
 
John B. Thompson, J.D.

March 27, 2009

The Honorable Mark Shurtleff, Attorney General, State of Utah
Utah State Capitol Complex

Salt Lake City, Utah  Via Fax to 801-xxx-xxxx

Re:   Sale of Grand Theft Auto IV to Underage Kids in Utah

Dear Attorney General Shurtleff:

I wrote you a letter on March 6 proving to you, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that major Utah retailers such as Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart are selling in their brick and mortar stores and via the Internet the pornographic Grand Theft Auto IV game to minors in your state in criminal violation of Utah’s Sexual Material Harmul to Minors Law.

You did nothing upon learning of this ongoing criminal activity.  Your failure to prosecute these criminal acts constitutes an impeachable offense in your state, as you are in knowing breach of your oath of office to enforce the laws of your state, in this instance laws to protect children.

Let me be clear:  Either you prosecute these retailers for this criminal activity, or I shall take the necessary legal action to secure a court order requiring you to do so.  You have until five o’clock pm this coming Monday to act or tell me that you will act to faithfully discharge your oath of office as Attorney General in these specific regards.  

Here are two links to streaming videos that display just some of the pornographic content in Grand Theft Auto IV, which “game” is being sold to minors throughout Utah in violation of criminal laws that the people of Utah passed and demand that you enforce.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOdsrI068w
 
http://boinkology.com/2008/04/29/the-ladies-of-liberty-city/

Warm personal regards, Jack Thompson

Copy:  Senator Dayton, Representative Morley, Lt. Gov. Herbert, Gov. Huntsman
            Gayle Ruzicka, Alan Osmond
            Media

-----------BELOW: "Dead Meat" Letter from Friday, March 27th -------------------

From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:05 PM
To: dennis McCauley
Subject: I love to play hardball, and that is what Shurtleff (Dead Meat) has asked for

John B. Thompson, J.D.

March 27, 2009

The Honorable Mark Shurtleff, Attorney General, State of Utah
Utah State Capitol Complex
Salt Lake City, Utah  Via Fax to

Re:   Sale of Grand Theft Auto IV to Underage Kids in Utah

Dear Attorney General Shurtleff:

I wrote you a letter on March 6 proving to you, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that major Utah retailers such as Best Buy, Target, and Wal-Mart are selling in their brick and mortar stores and via the Internet the pornographic Grand Theft Auto IV game to minors in your state in criminal violation of Utah’s Sexual Material Harmul to Minors Law.

You did nothing upon learning of this ongoing criminal activity.  Your failure to prosecute these criminal acts constitutes an impeachable offense in your state, as you are in knowing breach of your oath of office to enforce the laws of your state, in this instance laws to protect children.

Let me be clear:  Either you prosecute these retailers for this criminal activity, or I shall take the necessary legal action to secure a court order requiring you to do so.  You have until five o’clock pm this coming Monday to act or tell me that you will act to faithfully discharge your oath of office as Attorney General in these specific regards.  

Here are two links to streaming videos that display just some of the pornographic content in Grand Theft Auto IV, which “game” is being sold to minors throughout Utah in violation of criminal laws that the people of Utah passed and demand that you enforce.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOdsrI068w
 
http://boinkology.com/2008/04/29/the-ladies-of-liberty-city/

Warm personal regards, Jack Thompson

Copy:  Senator Dayton, Representative Morley, Lt. Gov. Herbert, Gov. Huntsman
            Gayle Ruzicka, Alan Osmond
            Media

--------------------------LETTER TO UTAH's PORN OMBUDSMAN: Mar. 30----------------------

Ken Wallentine
Obscenity and Pornography Complaints Ombudsman
Utah State Capitol Complex

Salt Lake City, Utah  Via Fax to 801-xxx-xxxx

Re:   Sale of Sexual Material Harmful to Minors—Grand Theft Auto IV—in Utah
 
Dear Mr. Wallentine:

It was a great pleasure meeting you outside Gary Herbert’s office about two months ago.  I was with Gayle Ruzicka, Karen Clark, and Alan and Suzanne Osmond to discuss HB 353 with Lt. Gov. Herbert.  I particularly enjoyed learning that we both have a dear friend in Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, who heartily endorsed HB 353, in light of the movie and video game retailers’ fraudulent activities.

As you know, the bill was overwhelmingly passed by both houses, only to see Gov. Huntsman veto it.  Mr. Huntsman either has no understanding whatsoever of the bill or he doesn’t care to know.  His explanation that the movie and video game industries would take their age ratings off the movies and games was an utterly absurd statement, as that cannot be done by virtue of binding contractual obligations they have.  The Governor was sold a bill of goods which he bought, for whatever reason.  As a result, we can look forward to more false advertising by major retail concerns such as Best Buy.

Be that as it may, Utah’s obscenity/pornography/sexual material harmful to minors statutes are still on the books.  Gov. Huntsman hasn’t managed to void them—yet.

Thus, I write you regarding those constitutional laws, as I am told you are Utah’s Obscenity and Pornography Complaints Ombudsman.  If you are not, please get this letter to him/her quickly.

Nearly a month ago, I informed A.G. Shurtleff in writing that all video game retailers are openly selling Grand Theft Auto IV to 17-year-olds in Utah.  They are doing this both on-line and in their brick and mortar stores.  Why the video game industry thinks it can sell indecent material to 17-year-olds just because they have a “Mature” rating system that  uses 17 years as the demarcation line when the law makes it 18 is beyond me, but the ways of the video game industry are inexplicable to most normal folks.  A 17-year-old is a minor, as you know, and yet someone of that age can walk into Wal-Mart, show a driver’s license indicating he is 17, and walk out with this indecent, pornographic game.

This particular game clearly constitutes sexual material harmful to minors, and its sale to anyone under 18 is a criminal act.  If you doubt that, please click on the below two links and see for yourself.  I believe most juries in Utah would find this material to be obscene under Miller v. California for sale to adults, let alone children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOdsrI068w
 
http://boinkology.com/2008/04/29/the-ladies-of-liberty-city/

I don’t know if Mr. Shurtleff is looking the other way from this ongoing criminal activity because of his cozy relationship with the video game industry, which has included not only the payment of campaign contributions from the Entertainment Software Association to him as well as his doing PSA’s with the ESRB, which were really unreported in-kind campaign contributions by the industry to him during his re-election cycle.  Regardless of the reason, his failure to enforce these criminal laws has to stop.  This failure is a violation of his oath of office and constitutes an impeachable offense.

Please advise at your earliest convenience that the Attorney General has either begun a prosecution of those individuals selling GTA IV to minors or that he has sent out a letter statewide, through all major media, that this practice must stop immediately.  If he does not do either of those things, then I shall proceed in the fashion I must to see to it that Mr. Shurtleff starts doing his job in this regard.

Children are more important than keeping a scofflaw industry happy in Utah.

Warm personal regards, Jack Thompson

Copy:  Senator Dayton, Representative Morley, Lt. Gov. Herbert, Gov. Huntsman
            Gayle Ruzicka, Alan Osmond
            Media

 


Comments

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Agreed. It's a surprise no one's sued him for all his shit yet.

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@GP or Anyone Else Who Knows:

Who is the "Robert" referred to in the Subject field of Jack-O's email?

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"A Sunday e-mail from Thompson to Salt Lake Tribune reporter Robert Gehrke"

That Robert?

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Makes sense. Thanks.

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Women in bikinis constitutes porn now?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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In Jack's opinion, it seems, so I guess not.

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By the way Dennis, in your request for comment to Shurtleff's office, did you include the fact that he referred to the AG as "Dead meat"? Would be interesting to see what his reaction to that would be :)

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If he didn't, I'll send Shurtleff an e-mail letting him know, since he does deserve to know what Jack says behind people's backs.

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"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

And no one is surprised at all that Thompson can't take defeat and takes this kinda course of action.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

The funniest thing about this latest temper tantrum is that this is the first time his shameful disbarrment has been mentioned in the larger media.  27 counts of unethical conduct (including 4 for deliberately lying to a court) is hardly something to be proud of, and more people are learning of that every day. 

Jack seems oblivious to the fact that other people have the internet- powerful people.  All they need to do is a quick search, and there lies not only Jack's record, but all of the stupid things he has said all these years.

So much for Jack "Dead Meat" Thompson.

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Actually I think the funniest thing would be if the guy he was trying to sue googled him and found out he got in trouble for sending gay porn to a judge.

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"the pornographic Grand Theft Auto IV"

Considering something pornographic does not make it so.

"in criminal violation of Utah’s Sexual Material Harmul to Minors Law."

Again, this is not pornography, you can see worse in an episode of the Sopranos or Sex in the City and Thompson doesn't seem to view those as being as bad as GTA.

"You did nothing upon learning of this ongoing criminal activity."

That's because it isn't criminal activity, dumbass!

"Your failure to prosecute these criminal acts constitutes an impeachable offense in your state, as you are in knowing breach of your oath of office to enforce the laws of your state, in this instance laws to protect children."

LOL! Wouldn't it be worse if an attorney general tried to prosecute non-criminal acts?

"Let me be clear:  Either you prosecute these retailers for this criminal activity, or I shall take the necessary legal action to secure a court order requiring you to do so."

Prosecute them for something that isn't illegal or I will force you to!

"You have until five o’clock pm this coming Monday to act or tell me that you will act to faithfully discharge your oath of office as Attorney General in these specific regards. "

Oh man, he's in trouble, remember the victims of all Jack's other deadlines? Oh.. that's right. He never followed up on any of those.

"Here are two links to streaming videos that display just some of the pornographic content in Grand Theft Auto IV"

I find it hilariously ironic that in all of Jack's funny little crusades against what he does not approve of, the most pornographic material has been the gay porn he sent to a judge and made available for public view by not sealing it in the court record.

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I find it hilarious that he is linking to Youtube.

And from what I remember, Youtube DOES NOT HOST PORNOGRAPHY.

 

Seriously Thompson, use your brain for once!

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ROFLMAO

you won.

EDIT: After typing out that post I lost the game

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

This and a bulldozer would knock me over.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Is it time for the WAAAAHmbulence yet?

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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 Shurtleff, not Huntsman. He doesn't even have the balls to stand up to the Governor. Recall him for his veto et al. It's almost like watching a suicide bomber.

He's going down, and he wants to take as many people with him as possible.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

I think people need to link Jack to some real porn, so he can have a proper reference.  Perhaps it might give him something to be occupied with.

 

Did anyone notice how he was nice and quiet all up until March 25th, when his writ of certiorari wasn't outright rejected?

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He knows what it is. He sent some homosexual pornographic material to the judge in florda remember? wow that was awhile ago, ah the memories...

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Sue this **** already!

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Isn't this barratry?

 

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

Well, it would be, if he was still an attorney... or maybe he's somehow forgotten about all that? He doesn't seem to have the best memory for these things.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

Assault and barratty.

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Well played.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

Does Jack Thompson ever actually stop and give his actions any thought? It seems like any time something doesn't go in his favor, he makes a big deal about it, launches threats in every direction, and only proceeds to make himself look worse.

- Stand back! I have an opinion, and I'm not afraid to use it.

- Stand back! I have an opinion, and I'm not afraid to use it.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

Did you just try to attribute rational thought to Jack Thompson?

Have you not been paying attention?

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

As always, Jack's antics bring laughter to me!

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Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Oooooh a "Facepalm LOL" ! Niiiiice :P

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Actually, it's intended to be an ROFFLMFAO rather than a FacePalm. I didn't make the sprites.

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Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

No, you just abuse them like a redheaded stepchild.

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That went to a weird place...

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Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah ...

Not so much weird as disturbing. Honestly, Keddren, you can do better than that, like whining to the admins that I make vacuous posts while I continue to express my opinion.

An old rule I learned when I was young.

"If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all."

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Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

Wow. Another Deadline. Will he keep this one? Most likely not. I don't think he has ever followed through with any of his ultimatums.

I also love the "Warm personal regards" bit after threatening to have the guy impeached.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

 If you don't do what I want I will bring liti ... ah crap I can't do that anymore umm ... I know I will have my lawyer friends wait I don't really have any of those either ... I know I will make empty threats which could be taken as threating a public offical which is a big no no.

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WOnder what the Supreme Court would make of this when it comes time to throw out, I mean, review his appeal.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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I'm fairly certain anyone involved with that man are keeping stringent records of his harassment in case of such an even occuring, just like they did during his disbarrment trial when all his lovely harassment tricks surfaced and slapped him in the face

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

More deadlines! YAY!

Doesn't he realise that he doesn't hold the power to really threaten like that anymore?

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

I f you do not cave in to my demands, I shall taunt you a 2nd time!!!!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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"I'm from FLORRRRR-I-DA!!! Can't you tell from my OUT-Raaaaaageous accent?!"

"What are you doing in Utah?"

"Mind your own business!!"

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Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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He looks easier to reason with than Jack. ;-)
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.


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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

"Right! Chaaarge!"

*JT fires frivolous lawsuit, crushing fax machines*

"Run away!! RUN AWAY!!"

....that looked better in my head than it did in the post.

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He's just trying to help more people move fully into the 21st century by destroying their fax machines.

GameSnooper

Re: Jack Thompson Threatens to "Proceed" Against Utah Attorney

I guess I should be thankful I only spent 5 years in Florida before the family moved to North Carolina. Given Jack's insanity, I can guess where I got Asperger's Syndrome from. 

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 Another GP member from NC, I swear one of these days I'm holding a convention.

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Go for it! Just place it somewhere in the Piedmont.

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I'll bring the audio equipment!  :D

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

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Oh boy, another one of his lie-filled empty threats and deadlines.  It's getting even sadder that we can now utterly count on this behavior out of him every single time. 

My prediction that Jack will be arrested before 2010 still stands.

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Thompson is just a blow-hard.  He's unlikely to be arrested because police don't usually place people who are just plain nutty in jail.  He's more likely to end up in some loony bin that takes outpatients, or he'll die of a stress-related heart attack.  *EZK: SNIP Please leave his family out of this.*

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His family?  I don't remember ever mentioning them.  In any case my point was that it would be ironic if he ended up turning into one of the maniac shooter guys he abuses to make his arguments.

 
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