Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

April 7, 2009 -

It has been only a day since the news broke of Konami's plan to publish Six Days in Fallujah, but the game is already sparking anger as well as calls for a ban.

To be sure, releasing a video game based on one of the bloodiest and most controversial actions of the Iraq War is a public relations gamble for Konami and developer Atomic Games - especially since the war is still going on.

Early negative reactions to Six Days in Fallujah have been both sharp and diverse, with a decorated British Army officer and a representative of a U.K. peace group both expressing outrage over the game.

The U.K.'s Daily Mail reports complaints about Six Days in Fallujah by the father of a Royal Marine who died in the Iraq War. Reg Keys, whose son Thomas was killed in 2003, said:

Considering the enormous loss of life in the Iraq War, glorifying it in a video game demonstrates very poor judgement and bad taste... These horrific events should be confined to the annals of history, not trivialised and rendered for thrill-seekers to play out...

It's entirely possible that Muslim families will buy the game, and for them it may prove particularly harrowing. Even worse, it could end up in the hands of a fanatical young Muslim and incite him to consider some form of retaliation or retribution...

I will be calling for this game to be banned, if not worldwide then certainly in the UK.

Meanwhile, former colonel Tim Collins OBE, a decorated Iraq War veteran, was equally aghast:

It's much too soon to start making video games about a war that's still going on, and an extremely flippant response to one of the most important events in modern history. It's particularly insensitive given what happened in Fallujah, and I will certainly oppose the release of this game.

Tech Radar offers withering comments from Tansy Hoskins of Stop The War Coalition, a U.K. peace group:

The massacre carried out by American and British forces in Fallujah in 2004 is amongst the worst of the war crimes carried out in an illegal and immoral war. It is estimated that up to 1,000 civilians died in the bombardment and house to house raids...

The American led assault on Fallujah pretended there were no civilians left in the city [but]  over 50,000 people remained in their homes and took the brunt of the violence and chemical weapons...

To make a game out of a war crime and to capitalise on the death and injury of thousands is sick... The massacre in Fallujah should be remembered with shame and horror not glamorised and glossed over for entertainment.


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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Let Konami release information before spewing crap watch dog groups.

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The question is, will it be a game attempting to be Band of Brothers or a game attempting to be inglorious bastards.

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While I don't really approve of war as a whole...

JFC!!! It's war, people get killed! Even civilians! You honestly can't expect a bomb to descriminate can you?

This is a game, not the real thing. I don't see how it's really any different than all the damn World War 2 games that are out! WWII lost far more people than the little conflict in Iraq. I fail to see the problem with this game.

One last thought--confining things to history books is just stupid. It's just as bad as China removing all mentionings of Teineman Square from their history books and web pages.

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Wow. That was quick.

I do wonder how the critics actually know that the game will be "glorifying" anything given the fact that there is practically no information out about the game, other than the fact that real soldiers' interviews will be featured prominently in the game. I have a hard time believing soldiers would be glorifying anything.

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Is it offensive? Really? Watchdog groups, I'd really like to hear why it's so offensive. So far all I've heard is that it was because of an action that they viewed as immoral/illegal.  Either way, I doubt that's the point of this game.

A game can be just as sad or terrifying as a book if not moreso. These people haven't even seen the story yet for this game and already they're chomping at the bit like seagull shouting "Ban!".

You don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. I'm sick and tired of these knee-jerk reactions these groups have ALL THE TIME.

 

On a sidenote: Did anyone notice the peopel complaining were all either British or decorated by the British royalty?

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

On a sidenote: Did anyone notice the peopel complaining were all either British or decorated by the British royalty?

It is based on a story in the UK media ...

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

If it was a movie, you wouldn't hear anything about it.

I always wonder, what is the expiration date on these things?  It's bad taste until what date?  I suspect that is a relative answer.  Survivors of victims would probably have a much later expiration date that detached bystanders, while actual participants might never be ready.  I remember Jacob's Ladder, a lot of vets just couldn't watch it, and that was 15 years after the war ended.

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22.3 years.

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Considering the enormous loss of life in the Iraq War, glorifying it in a video game demonstrates very poor judgement and bad taste...

 

um... who says the game glorifies it? What evidence is that based on? because its a video game it must be glorifying it? that makes NO sense. Thats like saying you cant write a book on the war, because it glorifies it. Or you cant write a book about an experience of child abuse, because it glorifies it. Or you cant make a movie like schindlers list, because it 'glorifies' genocide . Geez. The irony of that last one is immense since it does the exact opposite.

 

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Bingo.

Also, what the frick is this about "A Muslim family might buy it and be traumatized by it?" It's not like Konami's going to hide the title and put a fake description on the box. If a Muslim family sees it in the store and thinks they might be traumatized by it, why the HECK would they buy it?
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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Ya know if I saw a game called "Super-Mormon Killing RPG" and then read the description that it was a game based on the persecution of Mormons through Missorui, Ohio and New York, from the point of the persecutors I'd probably get a basic understanding of what it is and not introduce it to my 10year old nephew, though I may not be "traumatized", he may have issues.

Of course this comes from a Jack mormon who has not gone church in 14 years, and I wasnt alive for the persecutions.....

Just saying...

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These horrific events should be confined to the annals of history, not trivialised and rendered for thrill-seekers to play out...

 

And yet the entirety of our lecture in my Asia And The World class composed of Previews and Clips of Vietnam movies...confined to the annals of history my ass.

 

Do see why this is a bit stupid on Konami's part though.

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It's entirely possible that Muslim families will buy the game, and for them it may prove particularly harrowing. Even worse, it could end up in the hands of a fanatical young Muslim and incite him to consider some form of retaliation or retribution... 

What a poor argument ... I guess we shouldn't do anything that would upset anyone because god knows they might go nuts ... I guess this person also failed because this statement is pissing me off I wonder if he worries this statement will be the one that pushes me over the edge probably not because I'm not a Muslim which just says a whole lot about him.

It's much too soon to start making video games about a war that's still going on, and an extremely flippant response to one of the most important events in modern history. It's particularly insensitive given what happened in Fallujah, and I will certainly oppose the release of this game.

But movies and books those are A-OK

illegal and immoral war

Glad we have a group such as these to tell us which wars are illegal and immoral and which ones aren't.

It is estimated that up to 1,000 civilians died in the bombardment and house to house raids... 

You know what if you are stupid enough to stay in a city that you know is about to be ground zero for hell then you sir are an idiot and natural selection is at work.  I understand the desire to not "give up your home" but frankly there is a time to make such a stand and a time not too.  The US forces tried to give as much notice as possible so the cilivians knew to get out of dodge and that if they stayed they were in harms way.  On top of this I question their numbers; when the enemy doesn't wear a uniform is not actually part of any military then who gets to label who as a combatant and non combatant.   

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

You know what if you are stupid enough to stay in a city that you know is about to be ground zero for hell then you sir are an idiot and natural selection is at work.  I understand the desire to not "give up your home" but frankly there is a time to make such a stand and a time not too.  The US forces tried to give as much notice as possible so the cilivians knew to get out of dodge and that if they stayed they were in harms way.  On top of this I question their numbers; when the enemy doesn't wear a uniform is not actually part of any military then who gets to label who as a combatant and non combatant.

That's exactly why the US won't sign up to the ICC. Crimes against Humanity are only things you prosecute - not things you are subject to.

The protection of civillians in combat is important - you can simply require them to get out of 'Dodge' - this is not the Wild West (TM).

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The United States will not join the International Criminal Court, because it would be unconstitutional for it to do so. There may be other reasons, but because of that, they are totally irrelavant.

When it is impossible to tell the difference between hostile combatants and innocent civilians, the only prudent course is to publicly announce that anyone inside the combat zone is to be considered hostile.

Of course, at such a juncture, it would be wise to reconsider the justification of engaging in combat in the first place.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Sure it may be in very poor taste, and very offensive.  But is that justification for a ban?  No.

When did we become a society that banned everything that might be offensive to someone else?  I find cursing offensive, but do I think it ought to be banned?  No, because the right to free speech is far more important.

Once the government has the right to ban things that are "offensive", or in "poor taste", it opens the door for all sorts of censorship.  Look at China and all the things that it bans that might offend 'national pride'.  Its just another door opened for a totalitarian government to develop.

Boycott the game, if you find it offensive.  Lobby the makers of the game.  Organize protests to publicize your reasons for boycotting the game.

But the government should not step in.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

"When did we become a society that banned everything that might be offensive to someone else?"

Here in the UK that would be when Carmageddon was released, and then again with Manhunt 2.

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

There is no information about the game apart from name. Konami never claimed they were glamorizing it. No one truly knows what happened out there unless they experienced it in their eyes. Perhaps this game may be used to help shed some light on that (but I doubt it).

What I'm expecting (since this war isn't over yet), they'll have the premise of the war and then just have it finish at some random moment w/o closure and then they'll want to introduce DLC for the true outcome.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

 If done right, this game should be encouraged IMO.  If they get all they're facts right and make it a true representation of what happened, this could be a good way of informing ppl of what it was like.

 

Or they just ran out of Wars to play out so they had to use an ongoing one... we keep saying we're tired of WWII games...

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A very good point.  Games have been used to send a political message before, why would it be wrong for a commercial entity to do the same?

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Can you blame them?

"HEY! LISTEN!"

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

 This is one I can't actually comment on. I never saw battle. I can't tell you how it really feels, although I've heard the horror stories from fellow veterans. 

I say let the troops who've actually been in Iraq judge.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

No, let the people who lived there and had white phosphorus dumped on them be the judge. I'm sure it was horrible for some of the service men but a whole lot more terrible for the people that lived there and are still living there. 

Next they'll be making Israel vs Hamas, Russia vs Chechan rebels, Sri Lanka vs Tamil Tigers and other tasteful takes on a completely one sided battles with questionable ethics.

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Yay! We once again have people calling for a ban of something they know nothing about. I love how they claim it will be glamorizing the battle, yet there is almost no information out on the game other than the name and synopsis.

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

If anything it can look at the situation more critically than most war movies do: Look at CoD4:MW, that doesn't glamorize modern war.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

unfortunately this is still insenstive considering the war is still going on. 

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Whether something is in poor taste or not is entirely up to the viewer/player, and no one should try to trivialize another person's feelings on the matter one way or the other. Having said that, we don't allow the feelings of some to have veto power over the speech of others.

I don't know the real motives of anyone involved in this creation process, whether they want to make a significant statement or just capitalize. But consider this: playing a WWII game feels quaint and fantastical, no matter how realistic it is. "Oh well that happened before I was born so whatever." If a developer wanted to really depict the horror and heartbreak of modern warfare, wars we haven't lived through just won't do it.

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

In the Wiki article about the game some of the Marines that were in Fallujah met some people in the company that's making it and suggested that a game should be made.

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Right. And people tell their stories for many reasons. I can't call what I haven't seen yet.

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So? Gang violence is still quite prevalent throughout the world, but that does not stop games like 50 Cent, 25 to Life or GTA from being made.

The fact that the war is still going on has not stopped people from writing books essays and articles ro making documentaries etc. So why can we not make a game based on current events?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

i should have elaborated.  The publisher's themselves say "in the end, this is just another game" and its its "compelling entertainment".  Their main goal seem to trying to make a entertainment product and profit of it. 

 that's why i think its insensitive.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Okay, had you said that in the first place this conversation would have gone a whole different direction.

That said, what is wrong with making money off of your work? Do you think that all the books, articles and films based on the Iraq war were made solely for information value? Do you honestly believe they were not done to make either the author/director or the publishing body money? If so, I think you may be a little niave.

Now what would be the point of making a game like this if it were not fun to play or at least engaging enough to keep the player interested long enough to finish the game? If the game is not engaging on some level, they may not be able to earn enough money to cover development costs and start work on their next engaging piece.

Not all informative works need to be done for free. They are intitled to make money off of it.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

ah dang i should elaborate further.  it seems i keep cutting of my posts without proper elaboration.  I apologize for that.

What i meant was most books and movies I know about treat themselves more seriously than "an compelling entertainment experiecne" and have messages.  True they may profit and I have no problem with that.  I just hope that this game is actually tasteful.  Whether it is tasteful should be left to servicemembers and civilians in Fallujah.

It just seemed insensitive to me, but again I am no position to judge.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Well, it still seems to me that you are saying that something cannot be entertaining and informative at the same time. That a game cannot be a "compelling entertainment experience" and a moving educational experience"

Personally I think gaming has a great potential to pull both off at the same time.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

+1

Why can others profit from this, yet game devs/publishers are again singled out as being insensative clods.  Maybe profit is the wrong word for this even.  This is an interactive documentary on the incidents that took place in Fallujah.

IMO I thought the onslaught of 9/11 movies was more distasteful...

 

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Just to pay devil’s advocate…
 
What about a game based on 9/11 from the terrorist’s point of view, developed in Iran (just because their vocal about anti-Americanism)?
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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

I thought Iran had already made something like that?

Regardless: Yes, if it were developed it should not be banned.

I would be angry.  I wouldn't buy the game.  But I wouldn't want it to be banned simply because it would be offensive, or in opposition to my viewpoint.

Because then, later down the road, what would be stopping the government from telling me that -my- viewpoint was offensive, and could not be expressed?

And that's why this is such a larger issue that just video games.  When we get the government to ban things like this, we effectively empower the government to decide what is or isn't okay to say.  And that is a very dangerous power for a government to have.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Well said.

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

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My thoughts from another persons mouth =).

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Are you suggesting that such a thing should not exist? That is what I am getting at. Remember that Virtual Jihadi game that was supposed to show at that schools art show but everyone complained because it was from a terrorist's point of view? What happened to that? Hint: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/07/21/renewed-controversy-over-iraqi-ar...

Personally, I see no problem with games expressing themselves from any point of view. If a certian culture or developer favors one point of view over another, that is their decision. Whether  I will play the game or consider that point of view after palying, is entirely my decision.

Just because a game brings up a controversial subject, does not mean it should not be made or allowed to be made. That is why we have the freedom of speech.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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As long as it is not an addon for MS Flight Simulator....

 

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Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

To be completely honest, I think that a truly unbiased game about the events of 9/11 and everything leading up to it/the aftereffects of it would be a good thing to have. Interactive, educational, unbiased. Sounds perfect to me

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"IMO I thought the onslaught of 9/11 movies was more distasteful..."

I think I agree with this.

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 But it might hurt someones feeling and therefore is not allowed as a topic for video games ... after all video games are only for little kids and should never ever address anything relevant.

Now I have to go back to playing Kirby of course since Kirby has an eating disorder (eats everything and throws it back up OMG) and hes chubby I might have to place it also on the list of games that are insensitive and not allowed.

Re: Outrage Over Konami's "Six Days in Fallujah"

Video games are not just for kids. Adults play them too.

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Seriously, people, make it more obvious. I thought he was serious.

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 I thought the Kirby response made it more obvious I will place a /sarcasm next time 

 
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