Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto Rant / Pittsburgh Police Slayings

April 9, 2009 -

Earlier this week GamePolitics pointed out that in 2008 conservative talking head Glenn Beck held video games and popular media responsible for real-world violence.

In the wake of Sunday's horrific murder of three Pittsburgh police officers by a paranoid gun owner, however, Beck has insisted that his own media rants on gun control couldn't be blamed:

Blaming anyone except the nut job for what happened in Pittsburgh is crazy.

In this clip MSNBC's liberal commentator Keith Olbermann points out the obvious contrast between Beck's willingness to blame video games for real-world violence yet reluctance to admit that his own fervent anti-gun control rhetoric may have helped influence the Pittsburgh killer.

Thanks to: GamePolitics reader BlindJustice15...


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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

To not be involved in any political debate over these remarks, let me simply say

 

OH, SNAP!

 

That is all.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Wtf? I'm not seeing the connection.

Glenn Beck : The liberal left is trying to take away your guns. Do not vote for them.

GTA IV : In this game, you can hire a prostitute, kill her, shoot cops up, and steal cars as the name suggests! You can even take on the national guard.

 

This would be like a reader of this site shooting up a state capital because the legislators there were considering anti video game legislation.

 

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

I don't think he's the cause of it in the slightest, it IS, however, amusing to watch him squirm as he tries to justify his own bullshit :)

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Hah. Thats funny, Vake. Coming from a person who reads BOTH Msnbc and Fox daily, I can assure you Fox is definiately the more sensationalistic and biased. Msnbc is slightly tilted left, yes, but I don't see the blatant sensationalistic bias shown on Fox.sac ekimi  estetik arac kiralama rent a car oto kiralama yuz estetigi Smartlipo lazerlipoliz evden eve nakliyat burun estetigi burun estetigi diyet yazgulu

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

That was priceless.

I think he and Jack Thompson should team up and fight crime (crime being anyone who has ever watched a piece of media with the F word in it).

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

I don't see why these people are so worthy of being talked about.

This television(Beck, Olbermann, whoever) is not entertaining, it's watching some guy give his opinion. This television is not news, it's watching some guy giving his opinion.

A moral adult has the ability to make their own opinion, uninfluenced by other's opinion on a television show. 

A moral adult also has the ability to make their own opinion on the mechanics of a video game, uninfluenced by the content

A game at least is entertaining. Why do people watch this crap?

 

 

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

I think my signature says it all about how the conservatives point out everything as an explanation for these tragedies but somehow the fact that this nutjob had a weapon to begin with is not a problem. Blaming guns instead of the shooter is no different than blaming TV or games IMO it lets him/her off the hook. But lets be honest how many of these pissed of psychos would go on a rampage if they didn't have a gun that lets them cause the most damage at the safest distance? I wager most wouldn't have the balls to go on a spree with a machete or knife where they gotta get up close and can be overpowered a lot easier. While I don't blame guns for these things they are no doubt causing a lot more problems than they fix and until people take the blindfolds and earplugs out and acknowledge that this is still a problem than as a country we have no right to complain.

 

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

The irony of this is that, he's right, at least, half. You can't blame him or other sources of media for this guy going nuts, but Beck has no right to point the finger at games and then act shocked when someone turns the tide on him. Never did like the guy much anyway, even as a realitivly conservitive person, i still think he's extereme and a bit of a nutter. Then again, I could say the same about most of cbs, nbc, fox, cnn. 

So much bias in the media, its no wonder so many young people get there news online these days.

Funny stuff, great story dennis. keep up the good work.

 

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Glenn Beck is not the idiot here. He is awesome and his ratings prove it!! Just look at his ratings compared to Olbermanns. Beck is all for everyone having the right to own a gun and Olbermann is one of these Dummocrats who wants no one to have the right to own a gun. Olbermann is too ignorant to realize that those who want to kill and destroy will find guns illegally now matter what. I dont know about the rest of you but I want the right to defend myself should an idiot with a gun threaten me or my family. I do own a gun and Im all for Glenn Beck!  I play video games EVERY night and there are some real idiots playing video games. I have met the rudest self centered jerks in online games, and yes many of them act like they could do real stupid things like killing people. I own GTA and it isnt such a great game. Its way overrated, only because it has all of the vices in it. All people who play video games are not ignorant but those idiots that kill have probably played a few video games. Ive met some great people online playing and its a shame theres not more of you.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

All people who play video games are not ignorant but those idiots that kill have probably played a few video games.

There are also probably have access to weapons, wore clothing, drank water, breath oxygen, and part of the human race.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

There are way too many people here who are missing the point and hastily assuming the point of this article was to blame Glenn Beck for inciting the police killings. People who do this need to really calm down and improve their reading comprehension before having their personal biases taint their opinions. To break it down these are what the article ISN'T about:

*Glenn Beck is causing these shootings. NO!

*Gun Control rights. NO!

*Anti-Obama agendas. NO!

This article is about Glenn Beck's rhetoric over his previous 2008 and 2009 pundits where he blames television and video games for an increase in violent crimes. However, Kieth Olbermann is pointing out his inconsistencies and hypocrisy due to Beck's denial over the possibility that his right wing political agendas do not cause an increase in violent crimes, while being so forthcoming in condemning other mediums of media.

A good professional journalist would try their best to be as objective as possible, and Dennis, in this case, has only linked a video to Keith Olbermann's attack on Glenn Beck. He has not put forth any of his opinions in this article and would probably appreciate if people would stop jumping down his throat and stop putting words in his mouth.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Someone on the news talking logically? What's this strange feeling....?

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Like I said:

 

Violence against people you don't know or like is only okay when conservative commentators inspire you to do it.

 

Like when Adkisson killed those people at that church in Knoxville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting#Motivations

 

Some people call that a good book list so I won't knock anyone for reading. But if anyone is gonna take the blame, it's Adkisson, not Bill o Riley.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Beck and Oldbermann have a well know feud, this isn't news. Can we get to actual regulation news now that this has devolved into a childish shouting match?

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

He might be right about the crazy in Pittsburgh. I honestly don't think that's the debate.

It's his contradiction on his "theory" when suddenly, the same arguement he made against GTA and TV...is turned on him, and he outright decries it.

True quote of his:

"Believe in something. Even if it's wrong, believe in it!" -Glenn Beck

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

I think that's one of the single worst things I've ever heard anyone say.  "Blindly stick to your convictions, even if and after they've been proven wrong"?

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Glenn Beck is crazy, there is no doubt about that, but he was absolutly right when he said "Blaming anyone except the nut job for what happened in Pittsburgh is crazy.".

Everything and everyone we see and listen to can shape our thoughts and feelings and can give us ideas and inspiration whether it's video games, music, movies, the Holy Bible or God-forbid Glenn Beck BUT it's our choice as an individual whether to takes those ideas and inspirations and put them into action.

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

damn skippy

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Olbermann is right.

It's hypocritical to claim that a videogame and TV cause homicides...but he refuses to say that his words on his show have the same power?

Either the TV box has no power or it has the power. You can't say it does when you're in the clear and then calim it's not when your being called out on the EXACT same thing you claimed.

It's incredible when you think about it.

Brave Keith. Bravo.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Read the exchange between gamadaya and Valdearg further up this thread.  Not only is it possible to say it does in some cases and doesn't in others, but gamers > Beck in both cases.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

I'd like to point something out for the commenters that don't seem to get it.

Dennis isn't saying theat Glenn Beck is responsible for the shooter.

He is merely reporting that at one point Beck said that violent media influences people, but when he is the one getting blamed he says that the shooter should be held responsible for his own actions.

Dennis doesn't really say who is right and who is wrong, he seems to only be reporting what Olbermann and Beck are saying.

So the ones who are saying that Dennis is blaming Beck, or that he is taking sides; he just seems to be reporting what others are saying, not making any judgements.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Dennis never really gives his opinion when he writes up a piece like this. That is why I enjoy reading on this site. He presents the information, and we make up our minds.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

In compiling video clips to make people look bad, that guy could give Jon Stewart and Michael Moore a run for their money.

Anyone who expressed an opinion at one point, and a different opinion at another, let him cast the first stone.

 

Not that I disagree with with Olbermann's points.

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Crap, I misquoted and said the oppisite of what I meant.

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

I don't think ANYONE could give Michael Moore a run for his money in that department.  He managed to cut an interview by 3/4ths and make a man who won the Martin Luther King award in 2001 look like a racist.  Talking of Charlton Heston, of course.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

True, Charlton Heston was actually a staunch Civil Rights activist back in the 50s/60s who believed blacks in the south should be able to bear arms (at the time blacks in the south were barred from owning/buying guns) in order to protect themselves and their families from white supremicists like the KKK.

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Congratulations, Beck, you're now an accessory to murder...

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Boy, there's some wonderful bigotry going on here in these comments.

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Man, Keith Olbermann is awesome. Love his Worst Persons segment.

Though he missed a big opportunity to call Beck out on his bullshit chainsaw comment.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

"may have helped influence the Pittsburgh killer." GP, what the hell? You're quick to condemn those who blame video games but just as quick to blame other forms of media.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Dennis isn't blaming Beck for anything. He is throwing Beck's argument back in his face. Beck says that games make people killers, but denies that his rhetoric had anything to do with a fan of his going on a killing spree.

This isn't about who to blame, this is about destroying the arguments of people who claim games make people killers.

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

Dennis may want to make that point a little more clear, the number of people here who are comfortable with blaming Beck is rather unnerving. 

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Games are games. Everyone, including the crazies, are aware when they are playing a game.

These guys are offering thier "advice" and "insight" into real world happenings, even presenting things like "FEMA concentrations camps are going to be used to brainwash the nation's youth" as true news stories.

Just because they are both media doesn't mean they are equatable when it comes to thier influence on peoples thoughts and actions.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

This is why I despise pundits - both left-wing and right-wing.  They get paid to be mad about stuff and yell uninformed opinions and act like they're better than everyone because they have a TV show or a radio show that they use as a vehicle for their idiocy.  To think that good, honest, hard-working people get laid off left and right while people are being paid millions to be imbeciles that don't care what anyone else says is disgusting.

 

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft Auto

First Glenn Beck blames video games for the gunman's mayhem, and now he says that 'anyone that blames anything other than the gunman must be crazy'...so he's implying that he himself is crazy? Way to backpedal yourself Glenn...(*rolls eyes*)

And I wouldn't lump Olbermann in the same boat as Michael Savage, either. Savage hates people who are on the Autistic Spectrum (many of whom happen to play video games), and it wouldn't surprise me if Savage lashed out against games himself and/or (metaphorically speaking) got in bed together with Jack Thompson...

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Ugh, don't remind me of that.

As much as I hate idiotic pundits on both sides... Keith Olbermann has never said hurtful things about me and the people I call my friends. Michael Savage should have been pulled from the air for that comment of his.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

"it wouldn't surprise me if Savage lashed out against games himself and/or (metaphorically speaking) got in bed together with Jack Thompson..."

Or.. Non-metaphorically? Eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Perhaps, but his venomous rants about Bush and other conservatives have left me pretty inscensed. He seems to hate the right as much as Hannity hates the left.


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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

 This is the kind of rant that encourages extreme right-wing thinking like Beck's. What did I tell you about the war? Both sides don't just see each other as wrong, but downright unconscionable. The harder one side pushes, the harder the other side pushes back.

We started agreeing on the "Beck's rant caused killing" article that Beck maybe wrong, but blaming him for stuff is dropping ourselves down to his level. What makes this "Worst People" rant any different than "Grand Theft Morality?" Siting "One columnist" or "sources say" is the same crap Fox News pulls.

 

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Because Games are games. They are fiction, and even the crazies realize they are playing a game when they are playing a game.

These republican scaremongers are offering thier "opinions" and "advice" on what is happening in the real world. They offer breaking news reports, updates on legislation, and sometimes, claim to be the first to break certain "hidden by the mainstream media" news stories to thier audiences. If they claim that Obama is planning on taking thier guns or that he is planning on brainwashing our youth using concentration camps, what reason is there for a person to disbelieve them?

Aside from the fact that most, sane, intelligent individuals can see through their rhetoric, there isn't. Those people who are too stupid to realize that they are listening to a pundit, rather than someone who does thier research and offers a non-biased report are easily capable of believing what is being said. These people then get scared, stockpile weapons, and in some cases, like this Pittsburgh shooting, end up killing 3 innocent men, just trying to do thier jobs..

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Thank you...very well said.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Valdearg

They are very similar because  both spout fiction that may or may not have a reasonable base, both may or may not can be explained.


Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

But when a crazy plays a game, unless he is COMPLETELY detached from reality, he know's hes playing a game. However, when a crazy listens to Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity, even if he is still somewhat rooted in reality, these guys' scaremongering is quite capable of cutting all ties to reality and driving them to do something drastic.

These people have a much, much larger influence on peoples thinking than video games could ever even hope to achieve.

Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Your still missing the big part of the picture, both have questionable ties to reality from the perspective of the viewer IE I see guns in a  game used freely I think I can use them freely IRL.

For The talky heads they say the government is evil and will take your guns away well I will fight them to the end.

This is why they the same, I will denote that the pundits are closer to reality  but most of what they say is hyperbolic its meant to inflame or preach to  the choir .


Neither are inherently evil or brain wash its media like any other meant for the consumption of the inane....

 


Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

Even though games are fiction and what Glenn Beck says is real (still sort of fiction though...), it doesn't change the fact that the people who listen to these pundits are idiots of the highest calibur. If pundits stopped all the scaremongering they do, do you think these morons would stop being morons? Of course not. They would just find other people who's retarded advice they could follow, or they would just start giving out retarded advice themselves. You can't just remove stupidity by removing stupid pundits from the air. They aren't the cause of the stupidity, they are the result. They are a supply that is meeting a never ending demand.

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Re: Keith Olbermann Takes On Glenn Beck Over Grand Theft ...

You are right, the pundits aren't the cause of the general stupidity. But if you take right wing nutbags and equate them to a rash, then introducing the political pundits to the equation is like scratching the rash, until it bleeds and spreads. They aren't the cause, but they sure do a good job of making the problem worse, even harmful.

 
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