Syndicated Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

April 16, 2009 -

As a gamer, should you be allowed to vote?

Syndicated political columnist George Will doesn't think so.

Into a lengthy whinge about the wearing of denim (slow news day, George?) Will inserts this jab:

Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men") and cartoons for adults ("King of the Hill"). Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote.

GP: Big thanks to several readers who tipped us to this story. Now get yourselves to Brooks Brothers so we can all dress like George Will.


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Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

I like them but I've been getting more and more into cargos over the past year.

www.gameslaw.net

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

I love cargos.  I can carry everything I need for any occasion.  Seriously.  I went to play frisbee golf last week and was able to carry enough water and gatorade for 8 hours of play, all because I was wearing cargo shorts.  Plus, they're more comfortable.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Hah. You better make damn well sure they fit right, then. :) I mean, 8 hours worth of gatorade and enough frisbees for frisbee golf can certainly weigh down the pants..

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Yeah, I like wearing them at concerts and such because I don't have a car to leave things in and I've never been a huge fan of purses. It really is hard to find ones that fit me though, because I'm pretty short.

www.gameslaw.net

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Logan's Run; If only it were real.

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I cant believe this guy  is bitching about jeans.. Really? He must have missed this week's news cycle, because Jeans are the least of America's worries..Out of wingnut calls for an armed revoultion, the  governer of Texas Threatening to Seceede from the union, and 750,000 sore losers gathering to mill about on public property around the country yesterday, JEANS are the biggest issue of the day.  SOMEBODYS  got thier prioritys right..  *facepalm*

Because, you know.. Jeans might just happen to be comfortable, affordable, and easy to wash, which is exactly why I'm sure 95% of people who do wear them choose to do so..

PS: I know I ignored the gamer comment, but when I noticed the title of his "Column" was "Demon Denim," he lost all credibility in my book.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Texas is talking about passing a bill. one that puts the tenth amendment (which according to congress and the supreme court and executive branch is to be ingored as useless) into a state law to resist the fed, just like about 20 other states including california...

 

Have you heard that according to the fed, growing roses in your garden, for yourself, is interstate commerce which the fed has the right to control... I think states need to reassert their rights...

I voted for Obama and I am for these bills, also maybe the next president is Jeb Bush(god forbid), if that is that case then you will also be wishing that your state passed this kind of bill...

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Talk about a scary concept..

Though, honestly, I doubt anyone with the name "Bush" will get anywhere near the White House in the next 50 years, at least.. LOL

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Yeah, what with their history of terrible spending... wait, no, sorry, 1.2 trillion in deficit over 8 years versus 1.85 trillion in 1 year...

Hmm.

It's fine though.  Another year and we'll have some new people in the house.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

You lost.  Hey, it's ok.  Chin up, better luck next time.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Empty logic FTL.  I'm sure the spending done by the new administration had NOTHING to do with the economic clusterfuck that built up during the previous administration.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

"It's fine though.  Another year and we'll have some new people in the house."

Yup, and the Dems will have a larger majority than they already do, thanks for pointing that out! :)

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Less to do with their history of spending, and more to do wiith their generalized history of poor performance.

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

You are a doofus. See above.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

I'm seeing above, and not seeing anything that would make me a "doofus." (Who uses that word, by the way?) My comment was on target, and topical. Not to mention everything I said was True. This country has bigger problems than "Demon Denim." My examples were just that, examples of my argument.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

"I'm seeing above, and not seeing anything that would make me a 'doofus'."

You are a doofus because you think Will is actually talking about denim rather than using it as a metaphor to illustrate a larger point.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

That wasn't a metaphor. That was the straight up high-pitched whine of offended classicism playing to its natural audience -- people who read the WaPo Op Ed page to have their opinions dictated to them.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

"You're a doofus - See above"

I think this comment certainly fits here..

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Here's one...if you aren't paying attention to why people are talking about armed revolutions and such then you are a doofus...or just want your kids and grandkids and yourself to pay like 100 bucks for a loaf of bread and 99.9% of that being tax placed by the government to support not you but people that feel they don't -need- to work (and that's not counting all that's counting most and I have right to say that because most of my ex-friends are on Welfare and in better health then me)

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

This has to be the dumbest comment I've read here. People like you are basically whining because the government now no longer represents the 1% of America that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth and represents the rest of us who are hard working, lower-to-middle class citizens who keep getting fucked over by the upper class.

Taxes have never been that bad, they never will be that bad, and if they ever were to get that bad the entire economy would crumble overnight. But then, I wouldn't expect anything more than hypothetical lies from people like you.

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That 1% of America pays the bulk of your taxes, and thus is responsible for the governmental benefits you enjoy. In fact, they're "hard working" too. That's how they got all that money: the put forth time and effort into learning skills valued by businesses. You can't keep wealth you don't know how to use. Period. Furthermore, how has the upper class been fucking you over? 

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

 I always love this argument the rich are paying the most therefore we should feel sorry for them.  I give you my pie example.  

You as the rich sob get 90% of the pie and I get 10% of the pie now the government comes in and says excuse me I expect 20% of those slices. Now here is where the fun comes in you cut 20% off of your slice and I cut 20 % off of my slice and lo and behold your slice is bigger.  So what do you do you cry like a 2 year old that your sister/brother didn't have to give back as much as you had to give back who cares that your slice over all is still larger than mine by quite a bit no its all about you had to give back a piece that looks bigger when compared to mine.  That is what we call a NO SHIT SHERLOCK.  Whats even more funny is we are not including the fact that you might have already cut your piece in half and hid it from the government and then cut another chunk off claiming well its not really yours its the companies or counting the fact that the baker (company) might come in and actually pay the government for you.

 

This is what we call half ass math.  Its where a person who has a larger pile tries to whine because a percent of his larger pile is ten times more than when you take a percent of mine.  I have a simple solution for this problem PAY CAPS.  A simple cap saying hey you can only be paid a certain amount more than the lowest paid employee would decrease this problem instantly ... instead of 40 million a year to be the CEO you get paid 400k due to the lowest employee being paid 40k BAM now your percent going back in doesn't upset you as much.

 

(As for the hard working line I don't consider corporate raiders hard working, and Im pretty sure by no definition is Paris Hilton hard working)

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

The "pie" argument is grade-A 100% bullshit. There is no set pie. Period. Every time a new person is born, the "pie" expands. Everytime a new good comes into play, the society grows. In the days of FDR, for instance, huge chunks of people had problems buying food and water. That issue is no longer relevant. The computer used to be a device that could only be afforded by universities, huge corporations, and the government. Now, not only are computers found everywhere in the US, but the computers we use would seem to our ancestors as something made by aliens. As time goes on, goods are produced more efficiently, and more people have more access to them. The end result is that, as time goes on, society has access to more and more luxuries.

The issue that you so poorly attempt to articulate is that some people, the "rich" have more luxuries than the "poor". Never once did you ask why they have this money, or how they achieved it. No, instead, you think they should simply have the money taken from them and given to somebody who doesn't know how to manage his money. Here's a hint, they have more money because their skill set is considered more valuable than the skills of the guy working at a 7/11.

And how are the rich taking and locking up money? Do they eat money? Do they live in houses made of money? Do they drink money? No, they SPEND money, because, go figure, money has no other purpose. If you want a part of their "pie" figure out where there spending their money and get in on the action.

Running with your pay caps suggestion, what is more valuable: a CEO or a janitor? I'm not asking you to feel sorry for a CEO. What I am asking you to do is base your decisions on something more than ignorance. Why should the poor get any benefit from a system they aren't paying into? 

To be blunt, you lack knowledge of the most basic economics.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Yes they really put their time and effort working really hard to bankrupt our economy and still made over Millions dollars in bonus.

NEW YORK (AP) -- Lehman Brothers Inc. Chairman and Chief Executive Richard Fuld received compensation valued at $22.1 million in 2007, a year in which the company weathered the subprime mortgage collapse better than its rivals

AIG said Willumstad's target annual cash bonus was set at $8 million, and his target for annual long-term incentive pay was set at $13 million. The company said for 2008, Willumstad's minimum annual cash bonus will be $4 million, which will be deferred until he is no longer employed by AIG.

Willumstad is also to receive a one-time $24.5 million restricted stock award, to vest over four years, among other benefits.

WASHINGTON - SEPTEMBER 20: The chiefs of the nation's two largest mortgage lenders reaped roughly $30 million in salary, incentives and other perks last year, despite setting their banks on courses which now may require government bailouts.Daniel Mudd (L) president and CEO of Fannie Mae and Richard Syron (R)...
WASHINGTON - SEPTEMBER 20: Daniel Mudd (L) president and CEO of Fannie Mae and Richard Syron (R) chairman and CEO of Freddie Mac listen to questions during a House Financial Services Committee hearing on Capitol Hill September 20, 2007 in Washington DC. The committee is hearing testimony about the problems with mortgage foreclosures.
(Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
Daniel Mudd, the CEO of Fannie Mae, received $11.6 million in salary, stock and other compensation for 2007. Richard Syron, CEO of Freddie Mac, took home about $18.3 million last year.

In addition to Syron's salary, stock options and a $3.45 million bonus, Freddie Mac paid for a number of other perks for Syron, such as a car and driver, a home security system, travel costs for his wife, even $100,000 to pay his lawyer to negotiate his employment contract with the bank.

Chesapeake Energy Corp. Chief Executive Officer Aubrey McClendon has been awarded a $75 million bonus as part of a new 5 year agreement to remain at the helm of the U.S’s largest independent producer of natural gas, despite the tremendous decline in the company’s shares during 2008.

Thats like giving a teen an aston martin for failing out of school

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

What they're being paid is irrelevant to how they bankrupted the economy. Who did what, why was it a bad decision, and what were the repurcussions for the companies? I would like to remind you that greedy people do not willingly undertake actions that cause them to lose money.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Yeah because they are losing money after making Bad Decisions. They dont have those golden parachutes and they are not making any bonuses while they are losing money money at all. /Sarcasm.

See the examples above.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

No, you're right. They just get too comfortable with how they operate and then mess it up.


Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Really. I wasn't aware they were sending me money so that I could pay my taxes.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Most of the people talking about armed revolution don't know enough math to understand the tax system in the first place, otherwise they would have revolted when Regan was in charge instead.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

They were pretty revolting back then too.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

To turn your words against you: You are a "Doofus" (I prefer ignorant moron) for thinking that taxes will get that bad in the first place. Regardless of what you seem to think, the government is NOT going to plunge this nation into poverty, and its NOT going apply a 99.9% (WTF?!) Tax rate on Americans. You are an Idiot for believing it will.

My god, taxes are about 60% of what they were in the CLINTON era, and the world didn't end then, either! You guys are making a big deal out of nothing. In fact, I'll restate that. You are making a big deal out of the fact that 60% of Americans DISAGREE with you, and you guys aren't going to get your way for another 4, hopefully 8, 12, or 16 years! Get over it.

You LOST, and no amount of Socialist Bashing, Obama Bashing (Which is exactly what these "protests" were), or government bashing is going to change that.

At least we can agree on one thing: Jeans weren't the cause of the current social situations.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Just wanna point out I'm Utilitarian...so get over that...second of all yer an idiot if you took that literal. Ever heard of Exageration to make a point...I could say that bread will cost 10 dollars a loaf with 99.9% of it being tax and it'd be the same thing...and yer way too trusting...never trust your government not to take every last dime you have...and also mathmatically with several trillion in debt...taxes -have- to go up by leaps and bounds to pay for it...the money has to come from somewhere it won't magically appear outta no where and they still gotta pay for all those other government programs too...so yeah it can mathmatically happen....under republican or Democratic rule it -CAN- happen. Tyrants do it all the time and with as complacent as our country has gotten with it's government a few more years they could be tyrants...you have to think outside the box...Tyrants come from somewhere they dun just magically appear and oppress people most of the time.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

They have a phrase for exageration to make a point, it's called being deceptive or lying.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

That's quite the stylish tinfoil chapeau you've got there.

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No I just happen to not trust my government further then I can throw them...They've been showing a lot in recent years that they don't care what the people actually think...they can redistrict and everything else to make sure that they aren't replaced. Heck I learned in my Poli Sci class that most politicians won't challenge incumbants unless it's been a particularly horrendous year, -or- the person dies or retires, that means those idiots go unchallenged and keep their jobs simply because no one wants to try and take it from them. Instead of using a closed mind why not open it up and have a real good hard looksee and what things are like outside of your town and bubble because if you did you'd see that they have gotten a lot bolder (Specially in california) about increasing taxes and not caring about what people think of them.

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*claps*

Thank you I couldn't have said it better myself...

...Well maybe if I actually cared enough to form a response to such blatant idiocy

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

What a diatribe.  You are still a doofus.  You missed the "Jeans as metaphor," idea.  F- Repeat Junior High.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

No, I caught Jeans as a Metaphor. I know what a metaphor is and all that garbage. In fact, my comments about how "Jeans" aren't the cause of this situation still stand, because Jeans are a metaphor. That being said, My point was that having a society that isn't stuffy and is willing to be comfortable and have fun isn't exactly a problem.

Oh, by the way, I'm a college grad. So, drop your "get an education" shtick and ad hominem arguments for something with a little more meat.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Nice backpedal from your original diatribe.  You've almost convinced yourself that you were always in the right.  I don't care if you are an effing PHD, your education hasn't taught you how to think.

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

~~All Knowledge is Worth Having~~

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

I call bullsh$%. I don't think you caught that at all. Your initial comment speaks as if jeans were the real issue.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Point: Valdearg!

I, for one, caught the counter-metaphor, V.  Well done ;)

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

You aren't familiar with sarcasm, are you?

I caught the metaphor, and still thought his argument was Bullshit. In fact, I thought it was just as pointless as using the Object Jeans, so in my response, I don't differentiate between the two.

Thats ok though, keep avoiding the real issue at hand. Really, focus on the percieved notion that I didn't graduate from 5th grade.. Edit: /Sarcasm

Edit: Just to keep you on track, I think I'll start putting /sarcasm after each sarcastic comment I make. That way, I won't confuse your little brain meats..

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

 I prefer grey matter =)

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Does rather make one curious what decade Mr. Will is living in.  We are legion and he is.. well yesterdays news. 

Granted there are some of any generation, ethnic group, religion whatever that gives a bad name to the majority what he is spouting is little short of a racial slur and prejudice.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

"The truth is you should never trust anybody who wears a bow tie. A cravat is supposed to point down to accentuate the genitals. Why do you want to trust somebody whose tie points out to accentuate his ears?" - Doc Wilson character from State and Main

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

I don't mind not being allowed to vote just because I play video games, so long as I'm not allowed to pay taxes for the same reason.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

In a country that has no health care it's sure a point, but elsewhere...

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Beg your pardon?  I have great health care.  But then again, I work 10 hour or more days (most of the time) at a job that requires a degree.

You want a solution to the health care problem?  Stop letting unions raise the fucking standards, and damn sure don't let the government do it.  There's no difference in a nurse or a nurse practitioner except what kind of liability they have and a few hours more of sitting in a classroom.  Oh, and stop letting every jackass sue the medical industry.  People die in hospitals.  Get over it America.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

Hey, austin, I work 9-10 hour days as well. And I can't afford healthcare. If I get cancer or break my leg, who will take care of me without putting me in insurmountable debt?

Honestly, who says health care should be only for the people who can afford it? I've not done anything wrong, or immoral, and I work a full time job to make my living. I'm not lazy, nor am I a criminal. So, why shouldn't I have access to quality, affordable health care?

I do agree with you on the lawsuit thing, though. People really need to stop being stupid like that.

Re: Washington Post Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

You have to pay for healthcare no matter the system your using. In fact, if you want something more truthful, Medicaid and Medicare non-payment are far more responsible for rising medical costs than anything else.

 
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