What Impact Will Texas Secession Have on Video Game Biz?

April 21, 2009 -

Late last week Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) indicated that seceding from the United States was an option for his state, albeit an unlikely one.

The Guv, rumored to have presidential aspirations of his own, is upset about the economic policies of the Obama administration.

It would appear that Perry, who delivered the keynote at last year's E3 (that's him along with ESA boss Mike Gallagher at left), has forgotten what happened the last time secession was attempted in 1861: There was a bit of a disgreement that is commonly known as the Civil War.

But wouldn't a Texas secession make a great real-time strategy game? Call it Six Days in Austin. Konami could publish it.

From a video game industry perspective, establishing a new, independent nation of Texas would certainly impact publishers' lobbying group the Entertainment Software Association, which is chartered to represent the interests of video game publishers in the United States.

Canada has its own ESA and there are plenty of game industry firms based in Texas. If the Lone Star state gains independence, perhaps there will be a need for an ESA Texas as well.

Or perhaps Gov. Perry is just going off the deep end.


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Re: What Impact Will Texas Secession Have on Video Game Biz?

I never gave a thought to his party.When an elected official says crap like this they should be called on it. Especially if they can be thought of as the 'voice' of what they represent.


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Except he didn't say Texas should secede.  The headlines and commentary for this story have been incredibly misleading, even here at GP.  What he actually said was "There's a lot of different scenarios.  We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."  This is directly from the article linked in the GP story itself, so you don't have much of an excuse for not looking past the distortions in the GP story.  Can you explain to me how "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it." is a pro-secession statement?  It seems pretty firmly anti-secession to me.

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So why broach the topic at all?

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THANK YOU!

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Dear Texas. Please take Quebec with you when you secede. Sincerely, all of Canada.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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Not sure if that would work... once the newly seperated Quebec makes french it's offical language, the texans won't be able to understand them 

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Oh god, an alliance between Texans and the Quebequois... The combined arrogance might actually destroy the world..

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I don't ever want to meet a quebec citizen (or however they want to see their selves)....

I already have to deal with enough idiots and the population is getting nuts with tons of people we've never seen before, but these new immigrants are NICE and not assholes like most french quebecois.

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Really Texas? You lose one election, and before you even see how things will go, you're ready to haul ass out of here? Whatever, just make sure to take Oklahoma with you.

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Re: What Impact Will Texas Secession Have on Video Game Biz?

Honestly, the Idea of Texas seceding from the union fills me with a dwarf fortress-esque sense of glee, since the lone star state would be well and truly fucked.

Undoubtedly, the first thing that would occur during secession would be the federal goverment extricating all of it's resources, such as the dimantlement of local military bases and armories. Though I'm not entirely sure on the nature of national guard, this may result in them being left fundamentally toothless.

Which would suck epicly for the newly emancipated State of Texas, since they would be far more vulnerable to the depredations of Mexican drug lords.

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Threatening to leave the Union is just as stupid as those jackasses who were leaving the country (or mostly threatened) because Bush was president.  How stupid is it how some people can't deal with others disagreeing with their ideals. 

As for Texas, though- this is the same state that is trying to get Creationism pushed into the school curriculum.  Maybe the country would be better off without them. 

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I don't see what the problem with people leaving the country is. Why can't people decide for themselves that they no longer want to live somewhere?

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Leaving the country because "their guy" didn't win the election is an immature and absurd reaction.  Only children would behave in such a manner and think the world should revolve around them. Part of living in a democracy is that sometimes, the people you vote for don't get elected.  Some jackasses seem totally unable to deal with this simple truth.

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So what is your problem with them leaving?

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I would love to see you cease with your own political commentary, or at least label your opinions as such...

How dare the man think the federal goverment isn't perfect or *Gasp* harmful to the ends of liberty when an estimated half the budget is in direct defiance of the Constitution. How dare he indeed.

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"when an estimated half the budget is in direct defiance of the Constitution."

Source, plz.

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So where were the "tea parties" and "lets go teabag the white house" when Bush was in office and increasing the size of the goverment?  I almost wonder if Obama had lost the election, would you guys still have had your "tea parties" for McCain or Palin (though I very much doubt yall would be sounding off "teabagging Palin and McCain" chants)?  Just curious but where was law enforcement on April 15?  Wouldn't throwing large quantites of tea bags in a river/lake/ocean be considered littering and at least where I live there is a rather large fine for littering?

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If McCain and Palin were as spendthrift at Obama? Absolutely. Spending 1.85 trillion in deficit spending in a year is unacceptable no matter who is doing it.  Especially when you consider WHAT it is being spent on; expanding an already bloated government, pet projects, and billions upon billions in earmark spending.  And oh, wait, there's more on the way.

Although, to be fair, if Obama had lost, we wouldn't be spending 1.85 trillion in deficit dollars, more likely than not, and we wouldn't be having discussion about what rights Americans can give up so Mexico can be safer.

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"If McCain and Palin were as spendthrift at Obama? Absolutely."

Holy JEEBUS you are so full of it, Austin.

Those conservatives would've been out there in full force if it was McCain doing this spending.  Definitely.  They'd be dumping millions of teabags in the river (way to protest wasteful spending, guys!) over the Republicans just as quickly as they did over the Democrats.  Yep.

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And he'd be there carrying signs saying "Taxpayers are the Jews for McCain's Ovens!" and "John McCain, the New face of Hitler!" Right?! Riiiiight?? Hahahaha..

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Newsflash: government projects create jobs. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_new_deal. And right-wing fiscal conservatives used the same tired arguments back then too.

Good thing no one listened.

 

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Actually, world war II is what solved the job problem.  With war time spending and production (for sale to allies, to be gin with), unemployment dropped from 14% to 2%.  Basically, the country made some infrastructure and a few people got jobs because of the New Deal, much like Barack's Stimuls part 1 and 2, which will only make a few jobs and probably save none.

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Except that when he took office in 1933, unemployment was nearing 25%, the highest it had been since just after the stock market crash on Black Tuesday in 1922. The GDP was also at it's lowest since that date, as well. During the years after the New Deal, from 1933 to 1937, the GDP rose sharply, peaking above the highest levels recorded in the previous 20 years. Similarly, unemployment dropped drastically, lower even than the 14% you quoted in your comment.

It wasn't until closer to 1938-39 that WWII spending, combined with the Effects of the second new deal in 1935, pushed us over the hill back into an Economic Boom.

Both new deals helped drastically in stemming the potential tide of a massive economic collapse, until such time as the war could help prop us up again.

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The problem though is that if McCain and Palin had been elected, they would still pretty much have a democrat majority held congress.  It's congress that passes the budget and decides where money goes for the most part and not the president.  The president can ask for money to be allocated to projects etc, but congress doesn't have to do it.  McCain/Palin would pretty much be a do nothing presidency, esp with his threats to veto any bill (with would likely be all) that he didnt like if it had to much pork etc.  Sure some of these pet projects are bad and yes it should be cleaned up.  I don't agree witheverything that Obama has done, just like I didn't agree with everything Bush did.  However, I don't think killing every liberal in the country, seccesion from the country, etc is the answer that some on the right are stating since Obama got into office. You don't want you tax money going to the stimlus thats fine.  I really didn't want my tax money going to Iraq, Pakistan, Israel, etc.  You likely want to see tax money only go to national defense.  I wouldn't mind seeing tax money(with private business jointly assisting) going to more space exploration, research and colonization. Neither one of us, gets what we want though.

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No, we'd be having discussions on how the middle and lower class can support MORE of the federal tax burden, how women's rights should be reduced, how religious philosophy should be more prevalent in government funded institutions (Schools, more specifically), how gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, how the poor shouldn't be provided with adequate health care, how religious doctorine should shape the path of scientific advances, and how how the Iraq war is a "Holy War." (Last one courtesty of Sarah Palin)

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Umm, Dennis didn't say there was anything wrong with being upset about the budget, or economic policies. He just thinks the governor may be going off the deep end for even thinking the word succession.

-Gray17

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... Are you just playing dumb? You should know full well I meant Rick Perry.

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Denis for President?

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I heard that the new Call of Duty 6: Civil Warfare is going to be set in Texas. Among other things it plans to feature historically accurate reload times and tactics!

Re: What Impact Will Texas Secession Have on Video Game Biz?

What about the henry and spencer repeating rifles?  Lever action kicked ass in that war.  And I still got an old sharps rifle somewhere, those things are cool as hell.

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What a whiny bitch he seems.

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Texas actually may have the right to cecede, it was a special clause put in when Texas was annexed in 1835, as both sides were rather iffy about the deal.  It won't happen though; Perry is just beating the drum for his 2010 re-election campaign.  as it stands now, he might not even win the primary.

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Can you cite that clause for me please? I hear lots of people saying it's not an option.

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As far as I can tell there is NO clause explicitly allowing secession, mearly an absense of anything explicitly disallowing it (which is the case for all states).  I gather there WAS a clause in one of the drafts of the document that brought Texas into the Union but it was not part of the final version.

The whole thing is a myth that results in sound bytes good for getting votes in texas.

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Many of them already talk about Texas as though it were it's own country.

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*nods* that is why the myth persists so strongly and why it ends up in so much political rhetoric.

"Fact" to most people is determined by how many other people that they like they hear talking about it.

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If I recall correctly, the legal framework for secession was dismantled (or grandfathered) a while ago or applied to a document that was superceeded.

However, also if I recall correctly, the option of splitting Texas into 5 states instead of 1 is still a legal possiblity.   It is unlikly since it would result in less personal power for the state level officals but it is a scary possiblity none the less.

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5 states instead of 1 would mean, 10 senator instead of 2, so it may be the best way to go about getting their "voice" heard at DC

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 Not sure, but splitting up the state could hurt the republicans in the presidential election... Texas is worth alot of points, and because of how strongly conservative it is the republicans can rely on getting that big chunk of votes... you split the state up into 5 parts and judging from the map someone posted in one of the other comments, south texas would be very liberal, and west texas would probably lean liberal (a toss up state at best)... not to mention that big cities like dallas and austin are more liberal than conservative; they are surrounded by red, but due to their population they might still have enough to fudge with results depending on how the state is broken up...

The short version of what i'm saying is that texas as a whole is a reliable 34 electorals for the republicans, but after splitting up the state a lot of the those same points may come at risk, and fall into the hands of liberals... and the electoral races tend to be close enough as it is (conservatives would actually NEED to campaign down in texas to keep those points; normally it's practically a given) 

And those liberal areas would also make me question how many of the new senators would be republican... at least some would be democrats

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*nod* from a party and cultural perspective it would gain them more power, but the state level government would be much weaker which means you have to convince the state house/sentate/governer to volentarily give up 80% of their personal power. 

You would also have state buecracies split which would mean those top administrators (who can affect public policy) give up 80% of their power too.. something beurocrats are loath to do.

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You act like all 10 senators would be Republican. In the 2008 Presidential Election, probably the most polarizing of recent memory, McCain only got 55.5% of the vote in Texas, whereas Barack Obama got 43.8%. I can honestly see seeing the senator count split 6-4 or even 5-5 should that happen.

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I do believe that the majority would be republican, probably more like 7-3 or 8-2.

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I suppose it would depend on how the districts/state lines are drawn..

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here is the map split by county for the election.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/texas.html

You can see the south west is where the most democratically alligned counties are.

I think the larger states should be split up anyways. You get people from large population areas sent to represent the whole state, but they will pander to their voting base, and neglect the other parts of the states needs.

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Ah yes, the spirit of America.  When you don't get your way through elections and you disagree with half the nation, just divorce yourself from the system.  Multiple viewpoints and diversity is for suckers!

A lot of the "secession" proponents say it's because all the "anti-American" policies being fielded by th current administration.  But.... Wouldn't "Leaving the United States" be even more un-American?  You can't get any more anti-American than setting up your own, separate nation...

But I wouldn't worry.  This kind of talk, just like those hilarious "tea parties," are just the conservative minority venting thier frustration for losing the last election.  They'll get over it once the Nascar season is in full swing.

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Hahah, you are my new best friend. :)

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From the linked article: "There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." (emphasis mine)

The way I read this, he is just acknowledging secession as an undesirable possibility.  To imply that he is advocating secession, and say that he has gone off the deep end, well...  You've got to admit you're stretching a bit here, Dennis.  I don't presume to know whether it's because it's a slow news day, or because he's a Republican, but either way the premise of this article is disingenuous.  This is the kind of thing you fight against, when Fox News, or Jack Thompson, or whoever, takes things out of context and twists facts around to drag games and gamers through the mud.  Don't sink to their level.  I know you're better than that.

And before anybody says it, no, I'm not a Republican (not a Democrat either ;).  I just think the world could use a lot less sensationalism.

Re: What Impact Will Texas Secession Have on Video Game Biz?

To count secession as even an unlikely and undesirable possibility is a mark of questionable sanity. Several states tried it a 150 years ago. It was called the Civil War.

-Gray17

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Why even mention it then if it's something he doesn't think will be very helpful to him and the state. Unless mentioning it will grab him some headlines, sensationalism be damned! It'll be worth looking like a nut on the off chance things get worse and he can point back to it to validate himself and try to get a leg up on the competition. It's human nature to bullshit. Too bad calling out said bullshit doesn't seem to be.

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It's a statement meant to remind the new Federal government that they will not tolerate a continued disregard for state's rights. 
Of course, I want to see more resolutions passed damning Obama's white house for their memo suggest that veterans and libertarians are probable terrorists.  If Bush had said the same about liberals, we'd have heard about it for a year and a half, with people constantly crawling up hiss ass about it.

 
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