Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

April 28, 2009 -

In the wake of yesterday's controversy, Italian game provacateurs Molleindustria have pulled their Faith Fighter game from public view.

Although it was released more than a year ago, Faith Fighter was not on the mainstream media's radar until yesterday's Metro UK reported that religious leaders of various stripes were outraged by the game, which features Mortal Kombat-like matches between deities of several popular religions.

As the controversy grew, the Associated Press reported today that the influential, Saudi-based Organization of the Islamic Conference had called for the removal of Faith Fighter from the Internet. Accoring to the AP, the OIC called the game "incendiary in its content" and "offensive to Muslims and Christians."

In a message posted on the Faith Fighter website, Molleindustri's Paolo Pedercini blames Metro UK for "manufacturing" the controversy:

Faith Fighter was meant to be a game against intolerance that used over the top irony and a cartoonish style to express the instrumental use of religions.

Faith Fighter depicted in a mildly politically incorrect way all the major religions as a response to the one-way islamophobic satire of the Danish Mohammad cartoons.

If an established organization didn't understand the irony and the message of the game and is claiming it is inciting intolerance, we simply failed.

We suspect that people at OIC never played the game and only referred to the article on Metro UK that successfully manufactured this controversy.

Molleindustria also stopped by GamePolitics to post a comment on the controversy.


Comments

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

"And once zealots and nutters rang on their doorbell, all courage left them in the blink of an eye..."

Same old story again.

ZAR.

 

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

I did not find insulting that a game with unreal characters that had been in our minds for so long is created,

I dont get whats wrong with these people, i tried to play at the developers page but unfortunately they removed

 

for real, tell me whats wrong with this? http://www.iskullgames.com/faith-fighter/

For me it is looks ok...

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

**This was meant as a reply to DarkSaber** So, you are saying that all Muslims turn a blind eye to violence carried out in the name of islam? That is 100% a bigoted statement, you are a bigot, and I find that offensive. I am an athiest and think all religions are fucking crazy, but some of my family is Muslim and they would decry any terrorist type actions as horrible at the drop of the hat. So don't sit there and say all muslims are evil people who care nothing for the suffering of others. And make no mistake about it, that is what you are saying.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Self-righteous tirade? On MY internet?

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

I said some, not all, not most. If EZK hadn't censored my original comment you wouldn't have just made a tit of yourself.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Uuuuunless you didn't look at it from his point of view, and threw a hissy-fit over what you perceived as a blatant attack on an entire religion instead of a poorly-backed but no-less-scathing misspoken sentence?

...I'm just sayin'... ^^;

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Religious zealotry ruins everything.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Seems the source for the game is still up on the molleindustria @ http://www.molleindustria.org/faith-fighter-source

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

I find censorship offensive can we censor that?

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

If we censore everything that someone finds offensive, eventually there will be nothing left to censore period. We're heading down that route very quickly people.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Once again, free speech is trumped by religious complaining. Oh well, you can still find the game on Newgrounds.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

I would like to ask the people at Molleindustria to shut the f**k up. Either keep the game or drop it, but don't drop it and bawl about it.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

looks like theres an update to the statement

In few hours this statement generated a way more heated reactions than the release of the game. We are not "bowing to the foundamentalists", we have no sympathy for any religion but we are aware that muslims are victim of widespread racism in the western world. This islamofobia is functional to the imperial interests in Middle East and all over the world. We just want to make clear that the game was not intended to contribute to the media-assisted narrative "islamic world vs freedom of speech".

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America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

If they don't want to spread Islamophobia, they could keep the game up.

You know, and prove they're not afraid of a few pissed off Muslims.


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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Before anyoen argues that this isn't censorship, they were threatened into removing the game, making it censoreship.

The game is still up elsewhere of course.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Aren't we meant to be over this crap already? An age of enlightenment when people finally start to question why we are genetically programmed into desperately needing some sort of higher power that does nothing except kill us all in nasty ways if we don't obey?

But no. I suppose they received a ton of death threats, so felt it wasn't worth it anymore.

Good going religions of the world! You've proved once more that you're all about peace and love. Love for yourself and peace through threatening to slaughter anyone who disagrees with you!

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

And, ironically, the site has probably generated more traffic in two days than it has in the past year thanks to the controversy. I hope they at least had the sense to double up on ad space while it lasted--what better way to stick it to the rabble-rousers?

 

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

But the game is still up on other sites.

And Jesus man they didn't think this would draw ANY controversy? You're dealing with politics and religion so of course there's going to be nutcase groups who will take offense to it.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

And now censorship on these comment boards?

Wow. Just wow.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Hey, it's either that or we become the gamer's version of /b/.  You really wanna have something like that happen, however unlikely it might be?

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Bowing to the will of zealots?

I'm deeply, deeply disappointed.

First Little Big Planet, then Konami, now this?

The world is becoming a crappier place day by day. :(

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Actually the removal of the lyrics in LBP was done by the company's decision alone.  Muslim groups were then angered by it's removal.  So it wasn't "bowing to the will of zealots", but rather MediaMolecule trying to be overly politically correct and failing horribly.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

The lyrics were removed after people complained.

They were angered by the lyrics and complained to Sony, who (stupidly) removed them after some zealots complained.

Don't try and whitewash what happened.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Can you give us an article or something to back up what you're saying? Because otherwise I'm with Erik. They thought the lyrics were going to be offensive, and pushed back release so they could take it out. Unfortunately, they ended up doing the very thing they were trying not to do by taking out the lyrics. There was even an article here on GP that covered it.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

 Thats how I remember it, in fact they complained saying it was wrong for the lyrics to be in it and the musician (you know they guy whose opinion actually should matter about something he wrote) said he was honored for it to be in a game and his music in no way was against Allah that in fact it was all done in honor of Allah.  But thats why you can't listen to Zealots theres a reason they are Zealots they are insane.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Censorship is fun Censorship makes me sing

I find Mohammad's image offensive; censor it

I find Jesus's image offensive; censor it

I find a can of soup offensive; censor it

I find this game offensive; censor it

I find your face offensive; censor it

Burn a Book Burn them all they have words that may be wrong.

Its a victory I say a victory I claim we have won the way is paved

But wait what is this what do I behold its a link Oh no

it can't be true it can't be said the game is not completely dead. 

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Nice. When I clicked the link, the game had exactly 666 user reviews. Now that is funny,

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Molleindustria do not give in! You are letting a group of zealots determine what people are and are not allowed to see! This is now bigger than you! Don't give in!

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

*SNIP* EZK: Please don't stereotype a large group of people.

How about we start spamming Metro and its collected moral majority with links to every. single. religiously offensive game we can find?

 

Ha, I remember when Metro tried to manufacture controversy over TOCA Race Driver when they'd been duped with a poorly photoshopped picture depicting illegal street racing being in the game.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Hey EZK: I said a hundred, not all of them. Take your head out of your ass, SOME muslims are suicide bombers and editing posts that say as much is not going to change that.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Yes you said a hundred. But it was not what you said, but the intent. Your intent came across as trying to paint Islam in a bad light. That is why it was edited.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

No, my intent was to make fun of the extremist terroists that exist within Islam just itching for an excuse to martyr themselves. They are the ones who make the 'religion of peace' look bad.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

That may have been your intent, but the actual statement came accross as labeling the people who did complain about the game as suicide bombers.

I am not going to argue the point further. You can call them Zealots or whatever, but when you start painting them using stereotypes, that is when you have gone too far.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

That's not what I said or how I said it at all, and if you hadn't deleted the post everyone would have seen the bullshit you're spouting.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Don't bother arguing with him DS. I saw your original post and understood your point. Funny how people on this site can bash christians all day long, but once someone mentions islam, watch the fuck out! Can't have an opinion about that! Might offend the muslims! 

 

Such bullshit.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Hey, it is not just when someone 'mentions islam'. It is when people post inflamitory stereotypes. I delete inflamatory posts about Christians as well. We have removed and edited numerous posts about several faiths.

I don't mind people debating the merits of a group of people's choice to call for the banning or censoring of a game, but when it comes down to baseless attacks on the faith of those people, that is when enough is enough.

It is much the same way as godwining or ad hominem atacks. Pointlessly inflammatory.

Also in case anyone here needs a reminder about posting rules:

Users may voice their opinions freely, so long as the content of the information posted to this site is not threatening, menacing, racist, obscene, defamatory, an invasion of someone’s privacy rights, a violation of intellectual property rights or otherwise illegal, injurious or objectionable to Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA)

The bolded bit is why I deleted the original comments. Those are the rules. I only enforce them.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

So saying some Muslims are suicide bombers is racist and/or defamatory rather than statement of fact is it?

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

You know, I can understand people lying about what other people said, but why are you trying to misrepresent your own words? Are you that desperate to prove yourself right that you'd even try to deceive yourself about your own actions?

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Uh, this is a forum about games, right?  Take it on LIVE!, guys.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

I'd post a picture as reply but unfortunately it's animated and won't work.

So to quote the avatar, from the Community Manager Game Master at International Ragnarok Online: First amendment?
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Pffft!!!
Not in my forums.

As much as people would like to think, First Amendment does NOT apply to every insult you can think up. Calling a cop a pedophile in his face is bound to get you in trouble. Second, it does not apply on websites. Every website is someone's own private area, and you have to abide by their rules. You can either suck it up or leave, but arguing the rules after you break them is a wrong place to start.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

 Hell, I'd say the majority of commenters on here are very against censorship of any kind. I really dislike this censorship of comments, by both EZK and AE. I'm not saying it's not within their rights but cmon. Ban obvious trolls, but when you're cutting off speech because it's 'sterotyping' people groups that's ridiculous.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

So if I start calling gamers all murderers and child molesters, especially since they turn a blind eye to the fact some gamers actually are, and complain how all of you say "but we're not like that!", you're going to respond how exactly? Pretty sure that would be out of line in the eyes of many, including my own.

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Perhaps an Islamic protest carries more weight than a Christian/Jewish/Buddhist one. After all, Theo Van Gogh was hardly an isolated incident. 

Oh wait, we're supposed to ignore all this and buy into that "religion of love" crap. 

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

actually, when you think about that, all religions have that "Religion of love" statement, not just islam.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

I'm sure I left a reply here somewhere....

 

Apparantly EZK has a problem with people saying that SOME muslims are suicide bombers and that other muslims excuse this behaviour by saying 'It's not all of us, most of us are softies!'

EZK: No, I have a problem with people stereotyping people. AS gamers we have been fighting to remove the negative stereotypes applied to us. The least we can do is avoid labeling others with stereotypes.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

So apparently, saying bombers are bombers and that some people of the same religion turn a blind eye to them and make excuses is stereotyping?

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith ...

Don't feel too bad; I got pissed off when EZK snipped me too.  ^^

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

Yeah, you can remove it from the internet. because the internet forgets right?

Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

To be fair, the Internet is not Anon. Anon is a group of people who use a part of the Internet (namely, places like 4chan) to shed their inhibitions and become the monsters you humans truly are.

Had an image that would help what I'm saying, but I can't get to it right now. I gotta edit it in once I get back from everything I'm doing.

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Re: Following Islamic Protest, It's Game Over for Faith Fighter

We are the internet
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Expect us

also, read rules 1 and 2, maggot

 
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