It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens to Sue Valve

April 30, 2009

An ugly court action is underway and it involves a pair of video game titans.

On Tuesday Valve filed suit against Activision Blizzard in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The suit alleges that Activision refused to honor an agreement to abide by an arbitrator's April 6th award decision involving a 2002 dispute over royalties.

The arbitrator in that case awarded Valve $2,391,932, an amount that Valve says is less than it sought, but which it will accept because both parties agreed to be bound by the arbitration process.

Activision, however, challenged the award, claiming that Valve had been overpaid by $424,136 in years past. For its part Valve alleges that Activision failed to properly raise this issue before the abitrator whom, the suit claims, refused to consider it for procedural reasons.

Against that backdrop, Activision cut Valve a check last week for $1,967,796 - the amount handed down by the arbitrator less the disputed $424K. According to Valve's suit, Activision said that it wouldn't pay the rest and if Valve went to court Activision would countersue. Valve has apparently called Activision's bluff and the parties are now once again at odds.

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UPDATE: The original 2002 lawsuit was not against Activision, but instead targeted Sierra in a dispute over licensing Valve games to cyber-cafes. Sierra was owned by Vivendi, so when Activision merged with Vivendi in 2008 it inherited the Valve case in the deal.

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Activision should just buy out Valve.

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F**k NO! Valve should buy Activision instead.

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Maybe with the extra cash Valve will get off their asses and put Episode 3 out.

 

 

....oh who the hell am i kidding, i'll have kids before that damn thing shows it's face in even the tiniest screenshot.

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You know how VALVe is, but I think they would say something this E3. We waited long enough.

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valve ftw.

activision ftl.

Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

For its part Valve alleges that Activision failed to properly raise this issue before the abitrator whom, the suit claims, refused to consider it for procedural reasons.

 

Am I miss reading it? It sounds kinda like Activision is saying they raised the issue with the Abitrator and the Abitrator blew them off because of some by the book non-sense...which isn't completely un-heard of...but at the same time could be false...but still wanna make sure I'm reading it right that Activision is saying they talked to the Abitrator and the Abitrator said "Nope none of my concern!" So if it can be proven that the Abitrator denied to discuss it...doesn't that give Activision something to cling to?

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The law has a lot of provisions that basically come down to this: "Use it or lose it."  It's the same sort of policy reasons that underlie statutes of limitations.  If you know you have a claim, you can't just sit on it.  That's all Valve seems to be saying here, and it's pretty unremarkable.

Whether Activision can recover in its own suit is a different matter, and the answer is not immediately clear to me--we need more facts.  Most likely, though, that's what Activision will claim, either in a counterclaim here or in a separate suit.

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Here's my take on how that probably went. Valve and Vivendi went to arbitration. As part of that arbitration, Valve and Vivendi submitted documents, claims, counter-claims, etc. to the arbitrator before arbitration actually started. During arbitration, Vivendi brought up another issue that was not properly submitted to the arbitrator at the correct time and the arbitrator told them that they missed the boat on submitting it. And since Vivendi didn't properly raise the issue in the arbitration, Valve is saying that they are estopped from raising that issue in any subsequent cases involving the same subject matter.

I might be wrong on my analysis of that small section of the report, but that's usually how these things work out.

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I don't think it's so much that Vivendi can't raise the issue in a future case.  It's that Vivendi agreed to abide by the arbitration, and Vivendi was told by the arbitrator to pay the $2.4M.  The $424K is now a separate issue, since they didn't get it included in the arbitration.  They are still free to try to get it later, but they can't just subtract it from the $2.4M they agreed to pay when they agreed to abide by the arbitration.

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Sueing will bring no stable solution. It only increase fears

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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

They're probably both just doing this because they're a little bored; $2 Million has got to be like pocket change for these guys.

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My first thought too. But hey, all's fair in love and war. If a particular part was never brought up in front of the arbiter when the arbiter decided...it's Activision's loss.

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I wanna root for Valve, but Sierra has such nostalgia value for me.

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If they failed to raise it in front of the arbiter, then it's their loss, and they need to pay the full amount. That's the law. Valve wins, end of story.

 

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If ValvE has gotten the difference earlier (whether through overpayments or not), then ValvE ought to lose the case. I am rooting for ValvE emotionally though.

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lol, isn't everyone? When you sell Orange Box for $10, you can expect some consumer love.

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Just pay Valve Activision. Thats all im gonna say.

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They're disputing 424 large when the subscription rates for WoW alone must make that a little less than a rounding error?  They should just pay up and get on with nerfing Shamans or whatever it is they pay the devs to do.

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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Valve doesn't have to worry because Activision will only sue if they can annualize the law suit.

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I always like how suits are for a very specific amount. What's bad about rounding?

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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

When people sue to get money that's owed to them, they can't round up, and aren't going to round down. And when money is owed, it tends to not be in round numbers, especially if it's a percentage of something.

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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Add intrest it gets rounded up then.... hehehehe

 


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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Adding interest isn't rounding up, it's adding interest.

-Gray17

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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Pft, Activision.

Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

What, are you still pissed about the Ghostbusters thing?

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Yes I am.

Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Thats not ulgy thats business.

 


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Re: It's Ugly: Valve Sues Activision, Activision Threatens ...

Being business does not make it any less ugly.

-Gray17

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Activision should just buy out Valve.

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