Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game Recruiting Center

May 7, 2009 -

Last weekend GamePolitics served up live Twitter coverage as anti-war protesters marched on the Army Experience Center.

The high-tech recruiting facility in Philadelphia uses PC and Xbox 360 games to attract potential recruits.

As we reported, seven protesters were peacefully arrested when they refused an order by police to leave. One of those arrested, Elaine Brower, the mother of a U.S. Marine, writes about the experience for Op Ed News:

I myself, was part of a group of protesters who donned death masks and the names of fallen soldiers and stood directly in front of the AEC, which was at that point surrounded by police...

It seemed to me that the recruiters were becoming a bit unnerved, and the police were becoming extremely impatient... since the AEC is open to the “public” many demanded to go inside, but weren’t allowed...

After only one warning, the police decided to aggressively arrest seven of the protesters who were wearing death masks, peacefully standing in front of the AEC and not blocking the entrance.  Taken to a distant precinct, the civil affairs Captain vowed vengeance by trying to charge the seven with a “misdemeanor in the third degree.”  After 6 hours in the most deplorable conditions, they were released to return to court in June...

What is happening right under our noses is a transformation of the way in which the military plans on re-wiring the brains of kids at a very young and impressionable age to turn them into silent killers.  By allowing anyone from the age of 13 to 18 to handle a machine gun, or use games that promote violence, it creates a generation that is wired to kill and think that killing is something that is easy and sanctioned. 

GP: My observation was that the police gave at least two warnings; this can be seen on the video footage I took at the protest. In any case, it seemed like the masked protesters planned to be locked up in order to make their point.


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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Hush!  You're not supposed to recognize the hypocrisy.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

But there's all the fun! Imagine the lady going to heaven, St. Peter asking her "so what did you do in your life that made it worth it?", she goes "I protested for a good cause, for which I got arrested and exposed the unjustice of!" and he's going "... lemme see... which you lied about. So your greatest accomplishment was being a hypocrit, alright, if that's all then down you go."

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Except that she didn't sound good, she sounded like a pompous ass.  "I, myself, aggressively arrested and placed in deplorable conditions as the police vowed vengence," isn't exactly the kind of prose that endears people to you.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

It endears her to other bleeding-heart protesters that think spending 6 hours in jail is a HUUUGE sacrifice for some random cause. 

Sigh, as much as I hate hippies, I miss the 60s and 70s.  At least they knew how to stage significant public unrest.  Nowadays, protesters are little better than "weekend warriors," doing as little as they can on their free time, but using blogs and the media to make it look more serious.  They'll probably never bother the recruitment center again, assuming that this one single act was enough effort to satisfy their sense of "justice."

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

They will be back at the AEC.

They hate the place, because they fear it.

Imagine - a place where you can learn about the Army at your own pace - with no Army recruiter leaning over you, or lying to you or switchin' your enlistment paperwork around, or winking at you when he asks if "you've ever experimented with marijuana before".

Holy crap, you..you..might actually CONSIDER...just for a brief moment...that maybe...serving in the Army might POSSIBLY be a viable option for you.

That's nails running down a chalkboard. I hate that sound.

 

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Lol, I'm reminded of the peaceful protestors from the "World Peace" episode of Bullshit.  They thought they made one small connection with a security guard, and were like yay! success!

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I registered just because I had to say that when did people start expecting that they should get more than one warning before action can be taken?

 

They were asked to leave. They were then warned what would result in you failing to abide by the request to leave. They FAILed to follow the warning.

CASE CLOSED.

Seriously.

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Looks like either this is a moderated site and they haven't gotten around to it, or, it's moderated and they've blocked your post, OR, it's been censored after posting.

Considering that these organizations clearly "Contribute to the delequency of minors" by advocating, educating, and encouraging them to lie, deceive, and disobey authority figures such as the police as "moral" acts, I'd say I'm more likely to believe in the second two.

Maybe someone should serve a Criminal Complaint on THEM.

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

So, who's going to register at that site and rub in the fact they were warned twice?

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

It's a slow work day, I'm on it.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

I'm not touching that site with a 39 1/2 ft pole

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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I'm glad that it was peaceful, but the protesters should be thankful for the time they were allowed to be there.  Neither the AEC nor the Franklin Mills Mall are strictly "public."  If the management asks you to leave, you must leave.  Ask any kid who was thrown out of a mall or "banned" from the mall.

I also have to refute the "rewiring their brains" comment.  The brain is pretty much wired before you are 2 years old, and probably much closer to birth than that.  Some head trauma victims sometimes take years (if at all) to think "around" the "blockage" and move, speak, and/or write.  It is nowhere near as simple as the Op-ed states.

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I dunno, there's an AoC with a reason. Youth are more suspectable to certain imprints or something like that. Of course if they were actually using T-games that argument would apply.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

AoC is the biggest and stupidest bullshit I've ever heard. When a 16 year old is charged with RAPE for having consensual sex with a 15 year old, there is a problem there. There's an AoC because people have this idea that when someone turns 14 or 16 or 18, they instantly are more mature and have the ability to fully "consent" at that point.

Each case should be treated seperately to determine if both parties did in fact consent, not just say "You're 15, you can't consent to sex even if you want it and know the risks/potential consequences."

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While I agree that the whole matter of AoC is rather stupid and I agree with your general preposal which makes perfect sense. The unfortunet truth is that that would require more work on part of the law makers and such parties involved, and it is easier to make a flat out law that says exactly 14,16, or 18 rather then putting more effort towards dealing with case by case scenarios. While that seems rather lazy on their part, at the same time there are more important things that they have to deal with and deserve more attention and scrutiny. Now if only our congressmen and women actually realized that....

Responsibility: Its time that the next generation takes up the reigns of power in our government, before the old fools who hold them steer this country of ours closer to capsizing. We must act before its to late to repair the damage.

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Hey, the whole 15-16 thing is bullshit. But there's a reason a 30-year old can go around seducing an 18-year old and not a 14-year old.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

I recommend going to the website linked and read and possibly respond to the comments. This site is horribly left wing bias (but at least they admit it). These guys are almost left wing fanatics, to the point where they even say Obama is SOME HOW in the right (wing). To me, my question to them is "who is really being brainwashed here?"

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Obama is one of the most left wing presidents that I have heard of, but compared to europe he is very much a centre position.  This is usually why opinions with republicans tend to clash on here as each thinks the other is taking an extreme position.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

That is true, in the US there are no left-wing in the government, only right-wing and MORE right-wing (btw, not even real centre, just nearly centre right-wing...)

 

Examples of president positions:

Hugo Chavez: Left Wing

Castros: Extreme Left Wing

Lula: Centre

George Bush (any of them): Extreme Right Wing

Obama: Right Wing (just right wing, not centre, but not extreme either)

 

In fact here in Brazil we saw the discussion between right wing and more right wing as extremely amusing, since here there are a significant amount of left wing, usually the discussion here is left against right (ie: true left, socialists and all...), altough we do have some extreme left parties that dislike the other left parties (altough it is usually amusing to see their commercials, they claim that they will do some outright impossible things, one claimed that he would conquer the US...???, he utterly failed at elections, with like 300 votes from several millions possible...)

 

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Obama is anything but right-wing.  The American people wanted a leftist and voted for one.  He is well on his way to nationalizing 3 US industries (health, auto, banking), has stated on tape his intent to "spread the wealth", releasing terror suspects, and is sucking up to Islamic regimes. Hardly right-wing policies, and the left in America loves him dearly.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Ever think about reading before opening your mouth?

He was saying in the scope of the WORLD, Obama is right of center. Just because America is a MODERATE country (Center-Right, my ass) he is on the left side of our spectrum. But, if you were to put him him the middle of a European Parliament, his political alignment would end up right about in the middle, if not slightly right of thier center. It's all a matter of perception.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Republican Party is becoming nothing more than an extremist fringe, whether it be in America, or in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

You say that Obama is right-of-center, but if that's the case, how do you explain him sucking up to the extreme-left people in the example?  How do you explain him socializing American industries?  These are not right-of-center, no matter how you look at a situation.  We have a new Lenin, and his name is Obama.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

"We have a new Lenin, and his name is Obama."

That's cute. You get that off a bumper sticker?

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Heh.  Way to stoke the fire, Val.

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

*wink* You know it.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

Go to the Army Experience Center's fanpage on Facebook. You can get MANY sides to this argument.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

But... Obama is right wing. Wait, this is like how you call the coast west of our west coast THE East Coast, right?

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game

There's some conspiricy theory(Constutiton party style) nuts on there too

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Being a person that helps to produce interactive simulations for various agencies of the government, I'm more concerned that we help the people we send into harms way prepare for what they will face and give them a better chance at surviving it.  People who see these applications as trivializing the nature of warfare by making it fun are off the mark.  These protesters are under the false impression the military considers these simulations "games".  

It is true that gaming technology is now being used to train soldiers, pilots, seal teams, the FBI, and countless other agencies.  Networked simulations can help ground troops in North Carolina rehearse missions with pilots in Nevada.  This saves millions of dollars in jet fuel and helps prevent real life mishaps.  The focus of these simulations is realism, not fun.  Just because we use the same technology as video games does not mean that these are in fact games.  We enable these people to learn from their mistakes without dying in the process.

These simulations are sometimes used as recruiting tools because they give a somewhat accurate depiction of what the job is about using a technology that young people are now familiar with.  Sadly, we can't simulate what it feels like to see your friends head blown off, but we can simulate with a fair degree of accuracy what is involved in the job.  To think the military is sitting in there telling recruits this is a game is an uneducated opinion.  People are so polarized in their opinions they don't ever stop to consider the other side of the argument.  These are not video games. 

I liken the protestors believing these simulators are video games to a film critic comparing a miltary training video to a movie.  One is meant to be entertainment, the other is not.  I never heard anyone complain the military was using movies to recruit people.  Ah well, this is almost as good as environmentalists destroying Dupont experiments aimed at improving the environment.  It's Dupont, it must be insidious!  Get a brain or train the one you have...please.  We are trying to help people that have to go out there to survive.  Someday it might be someone one of the protesters knows.

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"These simulations are sometimes used as recruiting tools because they give a somewhat accurate depiction of what the job is about using a technology that young people are now familiar with.  Sadly, we can't simulate what it feels like to see your friends head blown off, but we can simulate with a fair degree of accuracy what is involved in the job."

This is nonsense.  These simulations don't simulate what is involved in the job.  They simulate what is involved in one specific and very small - area of the job: combat.  A combat simulation does not give an accurate portrayal of military life.  The most it can do is give an accurate portrayal of something like 1% of military life that a very few military personnel experience.  These simulations are used because they give an exciting, interesting and incredibly warped perspective on a career that is mostly boring and uncomfortable.  In reality (though not in the simulations) the bits that are exciting are also incredibly frightening, to such a degree that people who experience such moments are often psychologically traumatized for the rest of their lives.

So please don't insult our intelligence by telling us that combat simulations are accurate simulations of military life.

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And just like that...hook, line, and sinker.  ^^

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The problem probably is sometimes normal games are used, thus giving birth to the idea that they try to lure in kids with an image of fun and bravery, saving the world!, where reality isn't that simple.

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I don't really think that they are even using real games in order to get people to join.  They might play them, but no one is stupid enought o suggest thats what it would be like, and frankly, if someone believes that they deserve to get shot.

I bet, they only use games as a networking tool.  My school often does this, where recruiters from various companies and agencies come out and play games with the students, while discussing their futures and handing out internships.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

Those were "death masks?" Here I was, thinking Casper the Friendly Ghost masks left over from Halloween.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

Well, Casper is dead.

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

Touché.

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Well, this does go to show that lies and hyperbola are not, as some would claim, the exclusive domain of right wing christian groups. Here we have equally uninformed left wing christian groups!

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I'm very liberal, yet I easily admit that these people are fucking idiots.

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Yeah, I am normally consider myself as a left wing, but this is where I don't agree with the left wings.

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And neither is above using the deaths of others for their own means.

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What bugs me most is that if it were up to idiots like this, we'd have no military. Besides, once you're 18 and old enough to join, its your choice, they should be glad its a volunteer army and not required as in some other nations.

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Hell, in Switzerland every 18-26 year old is conscripted to army training, maybe even the women. There probably is a gun in almost every house, yet the gun crime rate is very low. I guess the army training suggests a small scale version of mutually assured destruction. Nobody wants to mess with anybody knowing that they can mess them up just as bad.

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"There probably is a gun in almost every house, yet the gun crime rate is very low."

The rate is one weapon in every fourth household. Which is the 4th highest rate in the world.

Gun crime isn't as high because Switzerland got one of the world's lowest poverty rate, why use a gun to get something if you can just buy it?

So you really can't compare it to the US.

In the US the easy accesibility of firearms is definitely worsening crime.
In Switzerland the high rate of firearms in household's isn't.

But it has absolutely nothing to do with the rate of gun-ownership, but everything with socio-political living conditions.

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If someone in Switzerland morally objects to having a gun or doing combat work, there are other options they have, like community service or office-like army jobs for the same length of time. Women have to do something I believe, but they aren't militarily conscripted. Women can volunteer for the military, but aren't forced.

And I agree. Everyone having a gun means that fewer would-be criminal are going to try and rob/kill. Why would I rob a house when there's a good chance that they have a gun? On the converse side, I could easily rob a house in England and have a better chance of getting away, when the citizens have no way of defending themselves and no right to defend themselves.

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-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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We have this problem here in Brazil, buying a gun is outright nearly impossible, and if you actually use your gun (even if it is completly legal) you are pretty much screwed...

 

Here the government tried to completly prohibit guns, and utterly failed (even if the majority that voted against the law, would never buy a gun themselves because the price of everything that must be done to own one), because people understood that they need the right to have a handgun (what is still allowed) to defend themselves against the machine gun and grenade launcher toting criminals here (yes, the police commonly arrests people here and find military grade weapons... weapons that sometimes not even the military themselves has)

 

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Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

It's the most stupidest protest to begin with

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Protester Writes About Her Arrest at Army Video Game ...

To me, to Iraquis, Iranians, North Koreans, the people in the helicopter video (ie: a video of a helicopter firing at some people using a video screen instead of "live" aiming at outside), to all other people that think that US is a big bully, it all makes sense.

 

But these seven protestors, altough they were right and whatnot in getting arrested if they wanted to, their statements and false headlines elsewhere NOW are being stupid, they are saying BS and acting like hypocrytes.

 

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--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

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 People protested "Ghost of Girlfriends past" because one of the stars is a raging Liberal. 

 

There are way too many stupid people with way too much time on their hands.

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"...in the most deplorable conditions..."

What, did you think prison was a NICE place to live?  Please.  XD

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