RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

May 8, 2009 -

The controversy over RapeLay, an obscure but disgusting forced sex simulation, appears to be rekindling. GamePolitics readers will recall that the game sparked a furor earlier this year after it was found to be for sale by a third-party reseller on Amazon.com. In response to complaints the online retailer quickly removed the listing.

This month, New York-based women's group Equality Now has targeted RapeLay and similar games for a letter-writing campaign:

Please write to [developer] Illusion Software asking it to withdraw immediately from sale of all games, including RapeLay, which involve rape, stalking or other forms of sexual violence or which otherwise denigrate women... Please write a similar letter to Amazon Japan.

 

Write also to... Japanese government officials... calling on them to comply with Japan’s obligations under [the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women] and the Japanese Constitution to... ban the sale of computer games such as RapeLay, which normalize and promote sexual violence against women and girls.

Australian news site ABC.net reports that the Japanese developer of RapeLay, Illusion, claims to be "bewildered" by the uproar. Spokesman Makoto Nakaoka told ABC.net:

We are simply bewildered by the [Equality Now protest]. We make the games for the domestic market and abide by laws here. We cannot possibly comment on [the campaign] because we don't sell them overseas.

A Japanese Government spokeswoman to ABC.net:

[The government] realises the problem is there. While we recognise that some sort of measures need to be taken, the office is currently studying what can be done.


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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking...

"Plus I have a girlfriend who also loves it too. But she is only an online girlfriend.."

You don't see anything wrong with that?

I never understood why people can say they have a girlfriend, or even stay with a girlfriend that they have no physical contact with. (Not necessarily sex, but if you can't even hold hands with the person..) I mean, I had a buddy once who tried to kill himself because the "Mega-Hottie Girlfriend" that he "met" online and sent him a bunch of "her" naked pictures stood him up after he spend hundreds of dollars to fly to Florida and meet her after 4 YEARS of correspondence.

The entire time, I was saying "Dude, Shes FAKE, FAKE, FAKE." If he wasn't so depressed about it, I would have said "I told you so." so many times..

I mean, to each his own, and if you find someone and somehow manage to make it a long lasting, intimate relationship through some crazy amounts of luck, by all means, congratulations. But you might want to take a close look at yourself and approach anyone and everyone you "meet" online with HUGE amounts of skepticism and suspicion.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I would like to say to Game Politics that I am sorry for the statements that I had made about my persoal life.

But the reality was, I sometimes get a bit emotional and even a bit angry of those old negative steriotypes.

Also, I know that there are allot of risks with online life, as there are risks with all things in life.

From my experience, I never considered that I would meet someone online that could become a special part of my life.

We both meet in 2005, on an Anime/Videogame Fan-Fiction forum and things went from there.

What started from a few kind and positive reviews with a few stories and poetry amongst each other, we slowly became like close online friends within 2 years.

We also talked to eachother though web-cam just so we both knew who we are.

We never really shared anything too personal like any naked pics or that.

 

It was an honest online friendship.

 

What I was trying to talk about that there are some females who do like the Hentai thing, and there are some females who like the tentacles.

 

All I could come up with as proof was someone who I knew online who I was lucky enough to know personally online,

But still, you got to be careful online as well as being careful in real life.

 

Like I feel safer to talk about Hentai to someone online more than trying to talk about Hentai to someone in real life.

 

Also you just use a pin-name, never use your real name as people could exploit you that way.

 

 

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Ahem.. I met a girl online, knew her for six years, fell in love, considered ourselves together for two of those years, moved quite literally to the other side of the world...

.. got married, am very happy.

See, both sides can do that anecdotal thing.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, kina like real life.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Rape is bad in Japan, definitely, but they are much more relaxed about porn and sexuality. They view real violence/gore the way we view sex (as taboo) but treat sex the way we treat violence (not nearly as taboo and much more accepted). That is my understanding at least. Rape games are fine because they are just that, games, and porn used for entertainment. Sure, it's gross, but if it turns you on, why the hell not? At the very least, it's a chance to play as if you're someone else (a rapist) much the same way that it's fun to sometimes plug in GTA and kill innocent people just for the hell of it. It gives people a chance to be and do something they aren't/can't/wouldn't, and would only negatively affect someone if they use it a) way too much or b) if they are mentally unstable or extremely impressionable.

The idea of rape is a turn-on for me, because it's a feeling of power and dominance that is naturally wanted by humans (males?), but I realize that rape is incredibly wrong and infringes on other people's rights (I support the death penalty or worse for rapes of the highest degree). Thus, I can either role-play with a girl in real life (which would be hard to convince a girl to try), or watch movies/play games about it. If I had no outlet for my sexual urges...I think that I could still control myself, but there are people out there that couldn't. Thus, why disallow media outlets that don't infringe on anyone's rights? Sure there are the 1/100,000 crazies that take it too far, but that outweighs the potential problems with making certain types of porn illegal.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Last I checked Japan has a lower percapita rape statistic than the US, though you have more minor assaults(groping,ect) its partly the culture and partly heavy and hard sexualized  fiction is easy to get in one form of another.

Rape is over rated and is easily misconstrued as a form of dominance, rough sex  or forced sex is a form of foreplay, rape is one sided by definition with only one willing partner..

Having a "healthy" fiction and sex industry allows the beguiled modern worker "office/service worker" to blow off steam without a hooker, if anything Japan is showing us how to balance out ones society at least in the regards to fiction .


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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

That's because the per capita rape statistic is only calculated from reported rapes; actual rapes are something of an epidemic in Japan, unfortunately.

Edit: Though I should point out that it isn't as bad in Japan as, for instance, South Africa.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Barring the fact that Japan is a much smaller place than the U.S...but the "per capita" would negate that, wouldn't it?

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

per capita is kinda like saying per cent, its statistics in percentages as opposed to solid numbers and negates the size of the country so you can make apples to apples comparisons from one country to another.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

-has an insatiable desire for the death of statistics-

My bad.  ^^;

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Bascily it boils down to the US having more cases of rape/assault(as in violent beatings) and japan havening more cases of minor assault(as in gropings and stranger stuff that dose not do as much damage) and possibly more unreported instances of minor assault and rape, the point is Japan is safer for women than the US prehaps not "better" but in general safer.

 


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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

The statistics I'm referring to in the experiment are the per-capita statistics. Even if you assume the worst and multiply Japan's official per-capita statistics by 10, it's still not an "epidemic"; they're comparable to the reported official statistics of other Western nations.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

No, rapes are not an "epidemic" in Japan. This misconception gets repeated over and over, and it's quite frankly very racist, the same old "you can't trust those sneaky Japanese" canard.

Look, if you distrust Japan's official per-capita statistics so much, then let's try this experiment. Let's assume that Japan is so horrible that you have to multiply their official per-capita statistics by 10. Let's also assume that other first-world Western nations are so good that their official per-capita statistics are accurate as reported.

The result? Even if you assume that things are so bad in Japan that only 1 out of 10 rapes are reported, and that things in the West are so good that all of their rapes are reported, Japan's official per-capita statistics are still comparable to (and sometimes even less than) the official per-capita statistics of other first-world Western nations such as the UK and the USA.

Even under such unfair conditions, Japan still comes out quite favorably. Japan is a modernized, first-world nation, and deserves the same benefit of the doubt as any other first-world Western nation.

EDIT: specified "per-capita" statistics, as the parent poster referred to

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

How could that possibly be construed as racist? While, I admit, it's anecdotal evidence, it comes directly from Japanese friends.

When one of my old high school friends went to teach English in Japan for a while, one of the first things the *government* warned her about was the high rate of sexual deviancy and rape. She was given a very extensive lecture on things to avoid because of it.

Edit: It's not a matter of distrusting the government's statistics, it's a matter of cultural difference. While their society is certainly changing, many in Japan still view rape very differently than we do, and it often goes unreported. There isn't anything sinister about the statistics; there's simply a greater divide between reported and unreported rapes in Japan than some other countries.

To be fair, I should point out that my information is second hand and nearly five years old. Perhaps things have changed a great deal since then.

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Alyric: How could that possibly be construed as racist?

Perhaps you may be unfamiliar with anti-Japanese racism, but there's a long-established stereotype of "sneaky untrustworthy Japs", which mainly originated from WW2 (due to the Pearl Harbor surprise attacks), was reignited during the 1980s over fears of the surging new Japanese economy (Japan was regularly accused of practicing sneaky and underhanded economic tactics), and still lingers to this day, especially among the older generation. This stereotype also has looser connections to the wider "inscrutable Oriental" stereotype which predates WW2 (Victorian era).

In that context, it's quite easy to construe racism when you claim that there's a rape epidemic despite evidence to the contrary, especially when Japan's rate is still comparatively low even if you multiply their per-capita statistics by a horrifying factor of 10. The multiplied per-capita statistic for Japan is still comparable to the unmultiplied per-capita statistic of other Western nations; why aren't you saying that those Western nations have an "epidemic" of rape too?

Alyric: To be fair, I should point out that my information is second hand and nearly five years old. Perhaps things have changed a great deal since then.

People have been suspicious of Japan's low crime rate for much longer than a paltry five years. For decades there's been significant scrutiny from extremely capable foreign and domestic agencies, yet despite that there has never been any meaningful evidence of any kind of invisible "epidemic" of violent crimes such as rape. I personally think Japan has a lot of serious problems, but violent crime isn't one of them.

( And anecdotal evidence is quite frankly worthless, since everyone's is different and unverifiable. For example, my anecdotal evidence is the complete opposite of yours. My Western female friends felt much safer in Japan, and my Japanese female friends have complained that Japanese men aren't forceful enough, that they're too polite and meek. Is your anecdotal evidence right, or is mine? It's impossible to tell, which is why I didn't want to mention my anecdotal evidence in the first place. )

(( I apologize if I come off as forceful or rude, but your usage of "epidemic" was offensive, baseless, and completely uncalled for. ))

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

As was your charge of racism.

I was basing my statement on the information I had. I've never lived in Japan.

You're right, anecdotal evidence is weak - it's why I pointed it out. Whose is correct? I don't know. Maybe neither. Maybe both. Maybe it depends on where you live in Japan. Perhaps I simply know someone who's had bad personal experience(s).

But next time, I would strongly encourage you to keep the accusations of racism in check.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I don't want this line of discussion to get more any hostile than it already is, so I'll keep my angry accusations of racism in check if you'll keep your baseless accusations of rape epidemics in check. Let's accept that we both stepped over the line here, and move on. Deal?

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

His statements were not even remotely racist.  Perhaps you think it's racist because you're pre-supposing that it must be?  You may simply be looking for racism, in which case you're likely to find it everywhere.  Personally, I think your longwinded explanation of why his characterization of rape in Japan as an epidemic, is just plain nuts.  I doubt he's carrying around WW2-inspired sentiments, in his expression of thoughts shared with him by Japanese friends.

What's next?  Is this racist?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2703484151_3da52f5996.jpg?v=0

You'll have to explain that to Mr. Yoshida, who in fact owns and distributes the product, and is himself pictured on the box.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Oh, snap.  Those five minutes you each spent typing up scathing responses were sure spent well.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Time to put an end to this...

The reason the pornography from Japan is so....ya know, is because Japanese society is far more opressive of sexuality then the west is.

I knew chosing a major of  Japanese History and minor in Japanese Studies for college was good for something. ^_^

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Are you sure about that?  I know why you say so, they certainly have their taboos, but this is the same country where it's normal for men to read anime porn in public.  I think their attitudes toward sex go pretty deep - the love for tentacle rape, shit porn, and stuffing eels in odd places must come from somewhere.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I agree with this for over 9000. Not the rape being a turn on, but the idea that games should not be banned on subject. I feel like virtual outlets do more good then harm. Everyone has a vice a for some it could be as simple as feet but no matter what your vice, a harmless outlet for it relieves stress that otherwise builds up to an explosion.

If no one was actually raped during the making of the game, and playing the game doesn't control a robot that runs out and rapes someone, and it's all fantasy and fake, then why should it be a crime? I'm getting tired of this group of people that want to control even our thoughts, so that nothing is sacred anymore. I mean i'm starting to feel like the movie Equilibrium, all thought and emotions must be supressed for the betterment of humankind! no feelings or thoughts allowed! Take your daily interval. He's a sense offender, get him! omg i'm mad, i'm a sense offender, crap!  :P

good movie, you should see it if you haven't already.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Anything?

So, protection for wife beaters - that'd make you happy too?

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

The thing that scares me most about Feminazis, is the thought that some of them have sons, and they probably go off on them on a regular basis, just for being male.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

What you mention actually turned into big internet flare-up some time ago:

http://savebrandon.wordpress.com

Summary: Radical feminist woman (going by the online nickname "Biting Beaver") catches her teenage son "Brandon" watching porn. On her blog she agonizes over how he's now irrevocably corrupt, says he'll definitely become a rapist, and wishes that she aborted him. The online "Anonymous" movement finds out, and organizes a campaign to "Save Brandon". Things get weird because both sides are more than a little crazy. Biting Beaver harbors very extreme views (possibly due to numerous psychological issues and trauma), and Anonymous is, well... we all know how Anonymous is like. I can only imagine how awful it must have been/might still be for Brandon, being caught between a controlling mother who very publically wishes he was dead and the bizzare antics of the online hive-mind.

Google "save brandon biting beaver" if you want more details. It's kind of interesting in a train-wreck sort of way.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

So because radicals exist, all feminism and women's issues are evil?

This is the same logic that says because a school shooter likes games all gamers are evil, or because someone threatens JT that makes gamepolitics and other such groups 'hate groups'

This particular orginization got the wrong end of the stick on this issue.. but as a group they are trying to shut down some honestly abhorent things.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

That movement has been hijacked by the radical elements for decades.  As an example, Andrea Dworkin is still a regular aspect of women's studies coursework.  A psycho like her should have been relegated to a looney fringe from the get-go, but the radicals running Feminism won't have that.  It's the same reason the SCUM manifesto is still available within Feminist circles today.

 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Ok First off, Zerodash didn't say that feminism is bad. Feminism is about woman being on an equal feild with men. Hey I'm sure the majority of us support equality of all sorts. And Yeah Andrea Dworkin is nuts, claimed to have been abducted by aliens and force to serve in a penial coloney. And further to the point, on any of those blogs Identify yourself as a male and try to have a intelligent arguement and see what happens.

Femanazi's on the other had don't want equality of men and woman instead want to subject men and remove anything from males they want to. Take Hecate's post in the word press link, She says that "My previous sexual experiences can best be described as a series of rapes." Continues to say "It’s a form of abuse, plain and simple." Then procedes to call the men who had a CONSENT to have sexual relations with her "they were all rapists and didn’t even know it." Those are direct qoutes. In other words She calls all men Rapists.

My feelings on Rapelay are poor to begin with. First it glorifies rape which on a personal level hit's close to home. Second Well as I already said rape hits rather close to home.

Now here's a big diffrence between my culture (American) and the creaters culture. Sex in Japan is much more open than it is in the US. To Japan the US in extremly prudish when it comes to sex.

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Time for a female take on this...

Feminism used to be about women being equal, but these days more feminists are borderline sexists. It's gotten so bad that they will target other women. I have been lectured by a feminists on several occasions. One of the most absurd was when a feminest classmate yelled at me for (get this) letting a man hold the door open for me.

Modern feminists don't want women to me equal, they want women to be men. So what if we are not as physical as men? We can do so much more...

Man perks...

(1)  Can pee standing up.

(2) Can carry more stuff.

(3) Usually better at math and science.

Woman perks...

(1) Smarter.

(2) Better looking.

(3) Better Clothes.

(4) Usually better at history, and language arts.

(5) More patient. (In WWII, the Soviet Union used women as snipers just for this reason.)

(6) Higher pain tolarance.

(7) Usally live longer.

I don't know why feminists want to give that all up. I blame an abusive household. >_<

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

"(1) Smarter."

Hey what sex are Einstein and Hawking, I forget

"(2) Better looking"

This one confuses me, there's a standrad to what makes a good looking girl and what makes a good looking guy, they aren't the same. Also ask gay men or lesbians if the opposite sex is better looking.

"(3) Better Clothes."

I'll take a tux over anything you got thank you very much.

"(4) Usually better at history, and language arts.

(5) More patient. (In WWII, the Soviet Union used women as snipers just for this reason.)

(6) Higher pain tolarance."

I'd like a link for all those especially the last one.

"(7) Usally live longer."

Can't argue with that.

"(2) Can carry more stuff."

It really depends on the person.

(3) Usually better at math and science.

Link?

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

While I don't have a link, I seem to recall a study that showed red-headed women had the highest pain tolerance of any race/sex/gender. The same wasn't true of red-headed men.

Otherwise, yeah, I'm dubious about some of those too.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Seemed rather tongue in cheek to me.

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Better at math and science? Bull, I suck at math. I was always best at history. I'll give you the rest, I don't think I've ever met a woman who jumped into a bush just because. (Yes I know a friend who did this, idiot cracked his skull open needed 8 stiches.)

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

If you want to be technical, he said American Feminism is bad and then used radical nut jobs as an example for the whole group.

 

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Touche. Seems I didn't fully read the lines.

Let me put that on my to-don't list.

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

You = Owned by the two comments above mine.

Seriously though, way to point out something so stupid as that. Anyone with an intelligence beyond that of a 5th grader should understand that he doesn't mean literally anything/everything.

I lose so much faith in humanity every single day that I go onto the internet.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

'I lose so much faith in humanity every single day that I go onto the internet.'

Heh, hardly the best place in the world to regain your faith in humanity ;)

Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

I think he's saying that every day he reads stuff on the net, he loses faith, not that he loses faith in humanity and therefore goes to the net to try and regain it...

but i could be wrong :P

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

And that's important...why?

Apathy is your best friend on the net.

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Cause i thought goodrobot misunderstood the previous post so i was adding my interpretation of it, why do you wanna know if you're truely apathetic about it? ;) hehe

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Aw, darn.  Ya got me.  XD

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

Hell no, wife beaters are terrible and should all be destroyed!

 

 

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Re: RapeLay Developer "Bewildered" By Furor Over Game

ya man i like those shirts we definitely need to protect them.

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Considering you can't buy the game so easly in the us I doubt Japan can do anything about it.

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TechnogeekIf the developer were male there wouldn't have been a "conversation" in the first place.10/19/2014 - 2:27am
Montetrolls are just at their absolute worst when it comes to women and feminist. You could bet good money that if the developer were male the trolls would be silent and the conversation would actually focus on the journalism.10/18/2014 - 9:18pm
MontePapa: Not the first time we've had a journalism scandals before, but the harassment never got close to this level; the difference with this scandal is that feminists are involved. Without the feminist angle, their would be A LOT less harrassment10/18/2014 - 9:15pm
Papa MidnightMonte: That's honestly rather short-sighted. As has been proven with other persons who have been targeted, if it wasn't Quinn, it would be someone else.10/18/2014 - 6:26pm
AvalongodI think that's part of what gives an esoteric news story like this real life...it taps into a larger narrative about misogyny in society outside of games.10/18/2014 - 3:29pm
Avalongod@Monte, well the trolls made death threats that came to police (and media attention). I think this is tapping into a larger issue outside of games about how women are treated in society (like all the "real rape" stuff during the last election)10/18/2014 - 3:28pm
WonderkarpZippy : Havent tried the PS4 controller. might later.10/18/2014 - 2:37pm
MonteSeirously, If Quinn was not involved and GG was instead about something like the Mordor Marketing contracts, the trolling would have never grown so vile and disgusting. There have been plenty of movements in the past that never sufferred from behavior..10/18/2014 - 1:57pm
MonteWe have seen scandel's before but the trolling has never been as vile as what we see with GG. Trolls usually have such a tiny voice you can barely notice them, but its like moths to a flame whenever femistist are involved.10/18/2014 - 1:53pm
ZippyDSMleeWonderkarp: You might be able to if you had a PS4 controller.10/18/2014 - 1:00pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://store.steampowered.com/app/327940/ Night Dive starts charging for freeware.10/18/2014 - 12:21pm
Matthew Wilsonthe sad thing is there are trolls on both sides of this. people need to stop acting like their side is so pure.10/18/2014 - 12:19pm
MechaTama31So, only speak out on a scandal that hasn't attracted trolls? I wouldn't hold my breath...10/18/2014 - 10:49am
MonteI feel like GG just needs to die. The movement is FAR to tainted by hatred and BS for it to be useful for any conversation. Let GG die, and then rally behind the NEXT gaming journalism scandal, and start the conversation fresh.10/18/2014 - 10:33am
quiknkoldand we dont have a Dovakin to call a cease fire10/17/2014 - 7:37pm
quiknkoldThe whole thing is Futile. Both sides are so buried deep in their trenchs that there isnt a conversation. Its just Finger Pointing, Name Calling, Doxxing, Threats. there needs to be a serious conversation, and GG isnt it.10/17/2014 - 7:37pm
quiknkoldI thought it was a good article. Jeff is right. I feel like GamerGate did destroy its message. I am for Ethics in game journalism, but man. so much hate. and its on both sides. I've seen some awful stuff spewed on twitter. Its a big reason why I exited..10/17/2014 - 7:34pm
Matthew Wilsonwhile he focused on gg, he did call out both sides crap.10/17/2014 - 7:18pm
Papa MidnightThat was a damn good read offered by Jeff Gertsmann.10/17/2014 - 7:17pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.giantbomb.com/articles/letter-from-the-editor-10-17-2014/1100-5049/ deferentially a nice write up.10/17/2014 - 6:44pm
 

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