Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop A-Bomb on Hiroshima

May 11, 2009 -

A project for an Interactive Documentary class at NYU lets viewers assume the roles of crew members of the Enola Gay; the B-29 dropped the atom bomb on Hiroshoma in August, 1945.

Hidezaku Furuya's work requires each "player" to wear a headset, reading the lines required to execute the Enola Gay's horrific and world-changing mission. Afterward, the documentary plays back, allowing participants to hear themselves as participants in the recreated death of more than 100,000 people.

Furuya writes about his work:

I want to ask the audience about “justice”. Might is right, or winning is everything. But are victors always right? Also, are losers in all the wrong? Is it right to do anything for justice? Justice for whom? What is Justice? ...

This is the inscription on the Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Memorial Monument: “Rest in peace, because the same mistake will not be repeated”. By whom? Of course, by we human beings, not only by Japan.

I believe human beings can lead to the realization of real peaceful world by learning from history beyond generations, cultural gap or religious conflict.
 

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Jack can take his accusations against us and shove them up his ass. Speaking of his ass, I hear it's getting awfully compact up there, what with all the shit he's had to shove up there.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop ...

I agree. FIRE IT UP! FIRE IT UP! FIRE IT UP!

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 The expansion pack will allow you to play as a citizen, you'll say something like this:

 

Captain: What happen ?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.

 

Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop ...

Talking about the bombing of hiroshima might have more effect if the japanese government (and population) did not downplay the 16 million chinese civilians that died in the same war.

While true that the bomb left a significant cultural impact due to the high number of deaths at one time... SO many more people were killed in that conflict that I get alittle sadded at how much attention and glurge it gets.

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Especially taking into consideration the fact that, if Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor, America's involvement in WWII would have been very different, and we most likely would not have had to do it in the first place.

In any case, if we didn't attack with nuclear weapons, we would have had to invade Japan, and how many moe people would have had to die?

 

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Kamikaze or "Divine Wind" was the most notorious tactic used by the Japanese during WW II. If the US did not use the Atomic Bomb, a land invasion would be the only solution to force them to surrender. We would have expected a larger number of casualties than the the two atomic bombs dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

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That has always been the big debate.

 

Drop the atomic bombs, OR, invade.  Neither one was the right way.  But, that was the US's choice at the time.  But in war, everyone loses. 

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 I don't think our bases in Japan even come close to the army sizes of china and north korea. Not much of a point in being there if you ask me. When the time comes those bases are just easy targets anyway. 

 

 

We'd have to send our guys from home. 

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And now: tabloid frenzy.

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Um ok.  Would bet alot of people would not sleep well that night when accused of the personal virtual death of 140K+ people.  

What is done is done.  I am confused though what exactly is the point of this.  Is this an attempt to stave off war, harden those that experience it or try to spread more guilt around?

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If this is a neutral exhibit, then I like the idea.  I think it's a good idea to let people know that this is something not to be decided lightly (dropping an atomic bomb).  However, if this is supposed to make America out to be a horrible nation because we dropped atomic weapons on a nation that attacked us without provocation, in an attempt to end a horrific war, then I condemn the people who created this exhibit and all who support said organization.

 

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Better read your history book a bit closer.  The US was known to be about to enter the war.  Japan sent an official declaration of war the day before the bombing.  Then we dropped the atomic bombs when we knew damn well that Japan was already on the verge of surrendering.  It wasn't necessary.

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If I read the full accounting of Dec 7th.  The Japanesse Warlords sent word to their embassy in Washington, D.C. three hours before the attack on Pearl Harbor.  However, due to machinical and translation problems, the message did not arrive in US hands until AFTER the attack.

 

When the US dropped the first bomb, it was not known to the US, that Japan wished to surrender.  When the second bomb was dropped, we STILL did not know.  Since, at that moment, the US knew it did not have another bomb (even though some where in production at the time); Japan, however, did not know this, and REALLY did not want to find out the hard way.

 

BTW, between the part where Japan attacked the US, and the US dropping the atomic bombs; there was about 4 years of intense warfare all over the Pacific Ocean.  Yeah, lets try not to past over that part.

 

 

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The Rape of Nanking wasn't necessary either.


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 If it makes you feel better, over 500,000 rape cases have been reported in Japan. The United States officially recognizes that our own soldiers committed those acts of rape on Japanese citizens during peace time. It's a good thing our government reports such things. That's why America is such a great country. They aren't afraid to report the bad stuff. 

 

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Umm, did you go live in a cave for 8 years. ;)

But yeah, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the lesser of 2 terrible evils. Those bombs took maybe 500,000 lives at most. An invasion would probably have cost many millions of lives due to the determination of the Japanese to fight.

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No, but they spin the hell out of the bad stuff to make themselves look good.

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Nice revisionist history.  At the time Franklin Roosevelt wanted to get involved in the war due to the pressure that the Germans were putting on Great Britain, but the American opinion was to stay out of the war.  Roosevelt was supplying an abundance of material aid to Great Britain to make up for the lack of man support.  The official declaration of war on the US and Great Britain on Japan happened on Dec 8th Japanese time.  The attack on Pearl Harbor was pre-emptive and the official declaration wasn't delivered to Roosevelt until after the attack had taken place.

According to the Japanese, an enemy who surrended according to the code of Bushido was worse then a dog.  Hence the extreme punishment American POW's received at the hands of their Japanese captors and also the very low number of Japanese to actually surrender.  It was known that in order to get Japan to capitulate that a full scale invasion of the main land was going to be required.  This would have meant major casualities on both sides as well as infrastructure damage.  The nuclear option was considered the best choice.  Also on a side note, it took two bombs to be dropped with the threat of more in order for the Japanese to surrender.

Not sure what history books you are reading, but they aren't based on factual evidence.

Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Prior to dropping the bomb, Japan said that they had no problems with surrendering, on one condition. That the Emperor was not captured/harmed/charged with war crimes. The US wouldn't allow that, however; they wanted unconditional surrender. So the US dropped the two bombs in order to force unconditional surrender. And then we left the emperor alone anyways.

In conclusion, the US overreacted. Still, I can understand how the US feels. "You ATTACKED US WITHOUT WARNING AND FOR NO REASON, of course we'll BOMB THE SHIT OUTTA YOU."

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

ummm no,

read the US Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946 in its entirety.  It's a document written by the US government and itself implies that the bombings were not neccasary and Japan was about to surrender.

Also wouldn't demonstrating the atomic bomb be a better idea so that Japan could see its power and surrender?

Face it, the US wanted to intimidate the soveits and also to test the bomb on a civilian population.

Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Almost right, but you forgot the part where the US wanted to observe the results of dropping an atomic bomb on a populated city. Lucky for them they were at war at the time eh?

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

You didn't bother to try and refute his points, which makes your own point meaningless. If there are good, legitimate reasons to take a certain course of action, then the fact that there might also be some less savory reasons to take that same course of action does not invalidate the legitimate reasons, nor does it automatically make it the wrong course of action.

It does not matter whether or not some people wanted to drop the bomb just to test it, and send a message to Russia. What matters is whether or not dropping the bomb was the best course of action regardless of that. And AC gave numerous points arguing that it was.

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I was ADDING to his points, not refuting them.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

But you seem to be acting like the decision to drop the bomb was the wrong decision, or that was the impression I got, based on some of your other comments. At the very least, in one of your comments you acted like the reason you gave was the only reason the bomb was dropped.

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Nah, 500,000 dead humans is a great start but they never followed through.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Well, we wanted to drop the bomb on Berlin at first but Germany surrendered before we could and the only nation we were at war with at the time was Japan...  They were on the wrong side at the wrong time and us American have a dislike for getting attacked when we don't expect it.

I will be the first to admit...  We overreacted just a bit.  But it is really hard to be sympathetic when you walk into a Japanese museum about WWII and read their distorted version of history.  THey make us Americans out to have provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor just because we didn't like them.  And we kicked over their sand castle.  Also the Japanese government still has yet to admit they did ANYTHING wrong during WWII.  They when so far as to force out any politician who was even precived as thinking "yeah, maybe we pissed off the wrong people and were kinda asking for trouble."

I love Japan and love to go there at least once a year but the victimized attitude and tinted view of history around WWII is a bit too much to swallow.

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It's common policy that when you hit someone, you can expect them to hit you back before the fight is done.  But in most cases people are smart enough not to hit a freakin 500 pound weight lifter though.
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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

 It's well known that Japan was in talks with the United States to surrender. That bomb was to give Russia something to think about. Nothing more. 

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Strange, I remember it a bit differently, but meh, whatever you say.  So I guess that if I went up and hit a guy and said sorry, I give up, everything would be okay?  And even if the attack had been going off during talk of them surrendering, they hadn't surrendered as of yet, so it would also speed up the process and save the lives of soldiers on our side, whilst making our enemies think twice of attacking again.

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The U.S. didn't give a shit about any of that. They wanted to test the effects of a nuke on a heavily populated city or two, and send the rest of world a 'Mess with us and get THIS' message.

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So the war had nothing to do with it?  The fact that Japan had just attacked Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with it?  The fact that the citizens probably wanted revenge had nothing to do with?  The fact we were in a War at the time had nothing to with it? 

 

If you focus to much on the large picture, you miss the things that make it up.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

The U.S were working on nuclear bombs before Japan declared war.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

And the price of tea in China at the time was 3 cents.  What's your point?

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

I call bullshit on that.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Prove it, and prove your point while your at it.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

I called you out first.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Actually I asked you what your point was first.  As for the price of tea in China...well that was just the price, get over it.

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Nah, you just pulled some facetious BS 'What's that got to do with the price of tea in China" because you needed a strawman.

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Says the fool that's shocked that a nation was working on weapons outside of war time.  I mean, its not like every nation isn't trying to get the bigger gun or something. 

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Such IS the military mindset. 

BTW what were the price of eggs or the price of Rice in China at the time? 

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A buck fiddy and/or a daughter.

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Help! Help! I'm being compressed! 

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

DUCK SEASON ^.^

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WABBIT SEASON 

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Re: Interactive Documentary Shows What It Was Like to Drop

Oh yes, I was shocked, SHOCKED I tell you. You said it, so I must have been!

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*sigh*  Once again, you miss the point.  You keep spouting off that the US only attacked Japan because they wanted to test the weapon they used.  I said there was more to it.  Then you say that they were working on the weapon before the war......your logic is confounding, confusing, and so circular that I don't even see how you come up with your hair brained theories. 

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WTF? The U.S. only attacked Japan to test their weapon?! HAHA. Never said that, I said they tested their weapon on an enemy they KNEW were about to surrender, both because they wanted hard data on what happens when you nuke a civilian city instead of some chipboard test site in the middle of the desert, and because they wanted to send a 'Mess with us and you;re gonna lose a city' message to anyone else who might have had ideas (with eyes staring very fixedly at Russia as they did so). 

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"allowing participants to hear themselves as participants in the recreated death of more than 100,000 people."

Or they could, y'know, play Dynasty Warriors for 10 stages?

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I lol'd.

 
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