Respected Flight Sim Site Shot Down By Hackers
Respected Flight Sim Site Shot Down By Hackers
May 18, 2009
The flight sim community suffered a terrible blow recently as malicious hackers essentially destroyed a longtime website which catered to aircraft game devotees.
The BBC reports that Avsim, launched in 1996, was devastated when hackers trashed both of its servers. Founder Tom Allensworth said in a statement:
The method of the hack makes recovery difficult, if not impossible. AVSIM is totally offline at this time and we expect to be so for some time to come. We are not able to predict when we will be back online, if we can come back at all.
Derek Davis, editor of PC Pilot magazine, told the BBC:
It looks like 13 years of hard work on Tom's part could have been wiped out. Avsim is an important site, because it services the whole community as a source of community developed terrains, skins, and mods - its contribution has been immeasurable....
Via: Ars Technica
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Posted 11/08/09 at 01:07am
Austin_Lewis: Health insurance, brought to you by the same kind of bureacrats who couldn't, in timely fashion, investigate the comments of any of the men Obama appointed Czars. Or their past. Or their history of not paying taxes.
Austin_Lewis: Health insurance, brought to you by the same kind of bureacrats who couldn't, in timely fashion, investigate the comments of any of the men Obama appointed Czars. Or their past. Or their history of not paying taxes.
Posted 11/08/09 at 01:06am
Austin_Lewis: Yes, and what a piece of crap it was. Arresting and fining people just because they don't make a personal choice to buy healh insurance, creating over a hundred new bureacracies, and worse.
Austin_Lewis: Yes, and what a piece of crap it was. Arresting and fining people just because they don't make a personal choice to buy healh insurance, creating over a hundred new bureacracies, and worse.
Posted 11/08/09 at 12:24am
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
ZippyDSMlee: JDKJ:the only trouble is a bunch of witless hacks wrote it....its going to be a train wreck....
Posted 11/07/09 at 11:33pm
JDKJ: BREAKING: In a photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in a fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
JDKJ: BREAKING: In a photo-finish at the wire, House passes health care reform bill. Relatedly, in a fit of pique, Austin Lewis kicks innocent dog.
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:27pm
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
ZippyDSMlee: man I got alot of junk and dup files too >< god I need orginization...and no not the knee capping media mafia kind :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:26pm
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
ZippyDSMlee: replaced :P
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:23pm
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
ZippyDSMlee: beemoh:hey its like 60GB porn,400GB anime 100GB games and crap I have took from all my DVDs, I hate waiting on dvds to install stuff..... oh and 40GB of my porn was in the found.000 folder...mostly corrupted.... least I got names of wut needs to be repa
Posted 11/07/09 at 04:18pm
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
beemoh: @Zip: ...and you'd have to spend all that time re-downloading that porn?
Posted 11/07/09 at 03:34pm
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
ZippyDSMlee: ggrrrrr......vista lost one of my hard drives and I had a heart attack thinking I lost 1TB of data....
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:58am
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
JDKJ: Which could be explained by both (a) and (b).
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:56am
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Austin_Lewis: JDKJ: You forgot C) the fact that, for some reason, every time he did something that would suggest he shouldn't be in the military, let alone an officer, higher ups ignored it or let it slide.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
JDKJ: Part of the problem is, I believe, that (a) the Army had a lot of time and money already invested in him and which they were unwilling to simply write-off and (b) an increasing need for the type of skills and services he provided.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
JDKJ: @chada: And while Kennedy once noted that there's usually more than enough blame for everyone to get a slice, the possibility that the Army was unwilling to cut loose someone who was asking to get cut loose could be a factor.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:07am
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
ZippyDSMlee: *noms on his feet*..nomnomnomnom*droooll* ...wuuutttttt uuu looking at?
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:05am
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
JDKJ: I'm no psychologist, but I'm told that crazy people have a tendency to do crazy things.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:03am
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
chadachada321: Whoops, was out of the convo for awhile. I do wonder what type of ammo he used etc, but the real issue is WHY he did it, not HOW
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:56am
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
JDKJ: But if it turns out that they actually did, they'll have Hell to pay.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:45am
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
JDKJ: And I'd tend to rule out the possibilty of FN Herstal supplying restricted ammunition to someone merely because they're ordering it from a military base.
Posted 11/07/09 at 09:37am
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
JDKJ: I know you don't leave your gated community and get around much in dark alleys, so you may be surprised to learn that there's this thing called "the black market" where, if you've got enough money, ain't too much of anything which can't be bought.
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What's the reasoning behind this now? somebody just decide to be an asshole or something?
Seriously, who trashes a flight sim site?
Also, great pic, I kinda want to go fly my Cessna somewhere now. Maybe somewhere near Centralia, Pennsylvania... anyone know an airstrip near there?
My guess? They should look to see if anyone was banned from their forums or lost a flame war...
I think there's two lessons to be learned here:
1) The world will never run out of small-minded destructive assholes.
2) Back stuff up regularly.
Yeah... Much as I do feel sympathetic for the people who ran the site and the people who used it, how could they have made it "impossible to recover" if the owners kept backups?
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According to ArsTechnica and the BBC article, the second server was the backup server. Why they didn't have an offsite backup is beyond me. Server redundancy is a great thing in case the primary server has issues, but you should always make regular data back ups and store them off the network for cases just like this.
E. Zachary Knight
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Agreed, off-site backups are vital, having your backup networked to your main server is always going to be cause for trouble. You can get half a terrabyte of removable storage pretty cheaply these days, plug it in, back it up, remove it, store it somewhere safe.
Firstly: What a bunch of cunts! I've something similar happen a while ago with a pair of websites I used to help run, years of work lost because of a prick. Although in this case it was because of atrocious management which I argued against for more than a year before it happened...
Secondly: Do they not have any sort of backups? Thats pretty bad management
"Do they not have any sort of backups?"
They did, but it got hacked too. As EZK said, they should have had an offsite back-up.
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It takes many man powers to make something great like this but it takes one douchbag top destroy all the hard work.
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I gotta agree with most people on here so far.
How do you run a site for 13 years and not have any backups? That sort of thing has been standard practice pretty much forever.
To destroy all the data like that usually involves someone on the inside. How else would they be totally unable to bring the site back up (unless of course they didn't back up anything)?
Good lord, are you guys even reading the articles or other comments posted here? It's been mentioned several times that the second server that got destroyed was the backup. And since they didn't have any offsite, that was it.
Reading comprehension, it just works.
I saw a previous article concerning this incident and if I recall correctly their backup was also erased as it was stored on a 2nd networked server. The comments spawned a long list security ideas and arguments.
Long story short their security was overall sub-par and they got taken by some prick.
Once more proving no one is too small or niche to be ignored by pricks.
The question is if anyone outside of them managed to back up most of the data, if they're lucky they have a few avid users that have most of the deleted files.
Ain't that the truth, I have an entire (retired) website that isn't mine backed up on my flash drive in case the servers went down or got hacked. The website is mostly text and images so it doesn't take up much space.
The website is obscure though so me doing this is probably unneccessary but oh well.
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It's a flight sim modding site, not the friggin' CIA.
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I feel really sorry for the webmasters and the whole Flight Sim community, and I wonder who did it, and especially WHY ?
'The Lulz'
Bunch of spoilt brats who will quite happily ruin other people's fun, and yet manage to be some of the biggest whiners out there when caught.
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Not too long ago, I had someone hack my personal site and delete my database. It was mostly my fault for not cleansing the input from my contact form. Luckily, there was nothing stored in the database that was not replaceable, but it was frustrating and it made me feel violated.
Needless to say, I now cleanse all my input as well as backup necessary data.
E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma
First, this is terrible indeed. Who would hack a nice site like that? Dedicated to helping people...in the flight sim community... terrible indeed.... :(
Second, I agree with the people who are saying that they really needed an off-line backup.
I can only hope that members of the community have backups of theior own, I mean most modders should still have their own mods and other stuff?
The forums might be hard to bring back, though... (if they indeed had forums?)
So what do you think the odds are that the hackers will be caught?
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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.
There are two types of hackers out there that I know of.
Thos who do it to try and help by exposing security holes, which I have no problem with as they try to help.
Then the assholes, those who hakc an account because they beleive they desrve maximum gain for minimal effort, and for "the lulz" which is even worse, destroying hours, days, weeks, months, or even years of effort just for a cheap laugh.
While this does suck bad for him and the many users, I think this is a good illustration of why you should always have an off-site and off-line backup of your work...especaly if you spend 13 years on the project.