Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

May 20, 2009 -

The Jack Thompson-authored SB 152 is scheduled for discussion by Commerce, Consumer Protection and International Affairs Committee of the Louisiana State Senate at 1 p.m. Central Time today.

The measure, sponsored by Sen. A.G. Crowe (R), is similar to the Thompson bill which recently was vetoed by Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman. SB 152 would hold companies which advertise age restrictions on products guilty of a deceptive trade practice if the product is then sold to someone underage.

GamePolitics spoke briefly with Sen Crowe last week. He told us at that time that he did not expect to have Thompson testify and indicated that the bill as currently written was a "placeholder," meaning that its content was likely to undergo substantial revision. It is unknown what form such revision might take. We also have an e-mail in to Thompson for an update as to whether or not he expects to speak at today's hearing.

GP readers should be able to follow the action live via the Louisiana legislature's webcast system. To watch, click here for the committee list. Just before the hearing begins, a TV icon should appear to the right of the Committee on Commerce, Consumer Protection and International Affairs. Click on the icon to watch the hearing. You'll need to have RealPlayer installed.


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Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?/base/news-7/124288330254780.xml&coll=1&thispage=2

A bill to make the sale of prohibited material to minors a violation of the state's unfair trade practices law got bottled up Wednesday in the Senate Committee on Commerce, Consumer Protection and International Affairs when its author ran into a buzz saw of questions. Senate Bill 152 by Sen. A.G. Crowe, R-Slidell, originally sought to require retailers to card potential buyers before making a sale of any age-restricted product. It also would have held the retailer in violation of the state's unfair trade laws, subjecting the seller to a fine. Crowe rewrote the measure with amendments to make it more narrowly apply to the sale of pornographic literature, CDs or tapes to anyone younger than 18. Crowe said his goal "is about protecting kids." In some cases, Crowe said, the local prosecutor may not be aggressive in enforcing the criminal law, leaving the unfair trade practice law as an alternative. The bill says a court must first rule if the material is obscene or pornographic before the unfair trade practice law can be used.

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So basically, Crowe rewrote the measure, basically killing Thompson's pride and joy before it had a chance to gain traction.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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Whoa whoa whoa, CD's? Since when are there pornographic CD's? If it only includes vocal description (as in, sexual lyrics) that would be wayyy too vague.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

"9 A. It shall be an unfair or deceptive trade practice for any retail business
10 to sell or distribute any goods or services which are labeled with an age
11 restriction or recommendation on the packaging to any personwho is under the
12 restricted or recommended age."

Wait, that apparently still is the current text of the bill. Then what on earth did he make from it at the floor that it no longer is an attack on game/movie ratings?

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So a game company could in theory just not put an age restriction or recommendation on a product.  Perhaps, treat them on par with books, which I don't see to many at my store having any age restriction/recommendations on? 

Also what happens if a shopper doesn't have any form of I.D. on them? Not everyone has a driver's license and so far there is still no requirement for a citizen to have an I.D. card.  Even if I do have an driver's license, I don't believe I should be required to show it, since I am obviously not a kid, when buying a game.  It just seems that this laws will end up hurting business as shoppers may go elsewhere(if they are denied a purchase), maybe to online stores which are already kicking the arse of brick and mortar stores?  Perhaps if they also want to add video games to the list of age restrictions, maybe they should add books like the bible(fairly adult topics in there afterall), most of your fiction novels, and of course the more "adult" books".  It would really suck if I had to ask every customer fror their ID for what they are buying.  Some kid comes up and wants to buy some toy or book, will I have to turn them away, since they wont have an ID card?

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The companies not only are forced to card, but also forced to shout it off the roofs. And yeah, then you're fucked, no buying a Teen-game for you if you can't prove you're thirteen. No buying a 7+ game either, hey, you look like a grown man but we have to card!

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Well, if you're a grown man buying a 7+ game, you must be a pedo.  Your purchase will be recorded for all time.


It's for the children of course.

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wrong i know a few people who love harvest moon lol

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The sarcasm was dripping off the comment. It's all part of the mentality that games should only meant to be for kids. How inane would that argument sound if it was applied to other activities? Books, sports, eating and breathing. At least with the last two it could be used to weed out the ass hats at an earlier age.

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill ...

 So what was the actual amended bill like? From what I've been reading it doesn't sound like it has even a passing resemblance to the original bill.

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Basically what it adds is a civil penalty to the existing criminal penalties for pornography, which got Crowe reamed for how poorly written and uneccessary it is.  I have a copy of the amendment sheet and it's a bit confusing.  I don't think the bill really does anything anymore and may be dropped because of that.

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As far as I can tell all the bill does is add a civil penalty to pornography, meaning it'll have basically no effect on videogames.  It was amusing watching Crowe get made fun of repeatedly though.  I wish I'd gotten a chance to speak, although my arguments were largely irrelevant to the new bill.

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Guh! He's comparing Video games to Pornography and crappy Gun Control. What kind of hermit makes accusations like that?!

 

Edit: Lawl. She's shooting him down faster than a clay pidgeon.

Edit2: <_< Is it just me or is he talking about banning internet games too? Also, why is Games = Pornography?

Edit3: He's choking. And bad. That Martini guy is drilling him.

Edit4: Is that JT in the back?

Edit5: "We can't punish em badly, so we'll just shoot them in the knees anyway" - His definition of the bill

Edit6: Martini is so old xD

Edit7: Stop trying to take his words out of his mouth, and answer his question. RARGH >=U

Edit8: xD THESE GUYS ARE NUTS!? BAMBI DOES DALLAS?! They're making a laughing stock of this bill.

Edit9: I think these people are out of date. Even though they are defending and helping against the bill. They're still very out of touch with the situation.

Edit10: The guy sponsoring this doesn't really care for the bill apparantly.

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"[Sen Crowe] indicated that the bill as currently written was a "placeholder," meaning that its content was likely to undergo substantial revision."

Damn well better.  It will never work (or survive a legal challenge for that matter) as written.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

 When does this video feed start? Its been about 15 minutes. 

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Yep. 1PM Central Time. As of my posting this you still have 24 minutes to wait.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Well, shit. I'm at school right now, and I don't get home until around 2:40 PM EST or so.

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Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Your timer is off by an hour for me.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Set to Eastern Standard Time?  Weird...


Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

The meeting doesn't start until 1pm Central time.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

"Placeholder"

JDKJ, GP, AE, Zachary, etc:

Does this mean it can go through the hearing as is, be argued on its current form, and when the revisions are made, there would be no rehearing so the committee can actually evaluate the changes?

In other words, are they going to hear a watered down version to slip it past committee, then change it significantly, have it voted on by the state senators based on the changes and claims that "it passed the committees", when it really didn't pass, in its newest form?

You know, like saying "I'm arguing my case to SCOTUS" when all was really being done was SCOTUS deciding if they WANTED to hear the case or not.

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Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

That is how I interpretted it too. Write it kind of weak and easy to get it through committee and then ammend it to hell and back before it goes to vote before the Senate. AS far as I know, ammendments to bills do not have to go back to committee. So once passed by them, it is smooth sailing.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Looking at this, It kind looks like it could pass the senate majority, And this bill looks like it could be a possible threat to consumer rights,first admendment,yada yada yada,Not to mention the retailers themselves, It's not going to stop some minor with a fake ID or a parent that wants to buy an M rated game or an R-rated movie for their kid to get it(Well im not sure about it, Can someone correct me?), And the bill does look flawed in the first place,If it passes through the senate...Im actually hoping it fails, Consider JT and all.

 

Can we gamepolitics?,ESA?,MPAA? actually fight this bill?

 

Magic Taco

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Yes we can. We did pretty good in Utah. This bill is extremely flawed and I hate to see what this "placeholder text" is hold place for. Right now the bill is a horrible and deformed violation of the First Amendment.

For one it requires an ID for all buyers of age restricted content. So if you are 65 years old and don't have an ID, sorry you can't buy anything that has an age label.

Two, it forces all retailers to have this policy. The Utah bill only punished you if you had one. This one makes you have one and punishes you if you don't follow it.

I really hope that this bill is shot down by the other members of the Commerce Committee. It will be a huge waste of time for the whole LA government.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

So how big of a check is Thompson's ass going ot be unable to cash this time?

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Lol i think this will crash and burn like the other ones


Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

Ps. Of course, it is the deep South, so who knows how this one will go.

 

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 it really is up in the air... after all, one of Jack's laws managed to pass thought the senate no problem, but the court battle not only failed but it got pretty ugly... So, are those senators stupid enough to make the same mistake twice, or will they have learned their lesson from last time?

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Well, we know there is at least one Senator who has yet to learn his lesson.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

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Before this is all over and done, he'll more than likely have to eat Crowe. Like Morely did.

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Crowe is apparently the Vice-Chairman of the Commerce Committee which i think means this'll pass in there because he'll be supporting it and the rest of the committee won't care.

 

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill ...

Unless it comes out that Gov. Jindal is against the bill.

http://forgotston.com/2009/05/06/leges-are-like-trained-seals/

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

I can see it now, some guy will be there with a bloodhound and a shot gun ready to shoot this turkey down.

 

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Re: Watch as Louisiana Senate Considers Jack Thompson Bill Today

I've been wondering what Jack Thompson has been up to lately.  I assume he's been busy repeatedly faxing the White House, telling Barack Obama that if Thompson isn't appointed as the new Supreme Court Justice, there will be horrible consequences to our children, and that he is qualified because he was once on Sixty Minutes.

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Give the man his full credit. Not "once." Rather, twice.

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Even more unimpressed now that someone has reported in regards to what was ACTUALLY in the transcripts.

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Funny how I was just wondering what was going on with this. I thought it was supposed to happen last week.

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A "placeholder?" Sounds like when you don't need to take a crap but you go sit on the toilet anyway just so you'll be able to do so when the need actually arises.

 
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