Feminists Outraged by Interactive DVD Available on Amazon

May 29, 2009 -

Is this the next RapeLay controversy?

Although interactive DVDs aren't traditionally thought of as video games, they would appear to fall into something of a gray area between movies and games.

That may be an academic argument, but, in lodging a new protest against online retailer Amazon.com, woman-centric website Feministing treats Stockholm: An Exploration of True Love as a video game:

it looks like another game involving violence against women seems to have"slipped" past [Amazon's] radar. "Stockholm: An Exploration of True Love" is a game that allows the user to experience,

    "...a terrifyingly vivid exploration of Stockholm Syndrome, a psychological condition in which a captive falls in love with her kidnapper. And you play the part of the kidnapper. With a limited number of options, you must figure out how to make her fall in love with you."

This includes using poison gas on the victim, sexually assaulting her and using psychological abuse against her in efforts to make her "love" you. Unbelievable.

While RapeLay was offered by a third-party reseller on Amazon, Stockholm appears to shipping direct from the online retailer's inventory.


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The main angle I can see criticism of Fat Princess coming from is fatphobia - it seems like it's essentially using a harmful stereotype of fat people as helpless to sell their game. I can see how that would upset some people, and I'm not sure how the game being constructed differently to avoid that would harm anyone.

IIRC, there was also some feminist criticism about force-feeding at the time. There was discussion going on about torture in the media and one of the stupider things I remember being said by a public figure was something about being "force-fed chocolate cake." I think someone criticised it from that angle, that force-feeding someone anything is pretty repulsive and horrible (and it is - read about it) and that the game is portraying it as something silly and fun instead.

Anyway, tangent aside, it's possible to make really cool and fun games without actively alienating or perpetuating harmful stereotypes, and that's where the criticism of Fat Princess was probably coming from.

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I think it was meant to be a jab at the helpless princess stereotype.

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This is correct.

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This.

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 Yes, exactly. Don't like their critique? Don't read it.

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The argument they're standing by, I'm sure, is that exposure to the game normalizes the depicted behavior and increases the likelihood of a user/viewer imitating such behavior.

Which, of course, is a different invalid argument.  But I'm sure the stance they're taking is not the one refuted by "don't like it?  don't buy it", but by "there is NO actual evidence that exposure to this material increases the likelihood of actual rape/abuse".

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It's more an issue of normalization, I think. I don't believe anyone, outside of nutbars, believe that someone who plays a violent or sexually violent video game will be turned into a sociopath or what have you. But the normalization effect is something that's tangible, measurable, and confirmable.

A person is sort of a reaction to a mass of influences, and their opinions are informed by those influences. There are ways to make an idea more influential, through all sorts of psychological tricks and forces--Sort of like salesman do. Normalization and stereotyping are a few of those ways, and this has been confirmed--expose a person to some racist, sexist, homophobic material, even on a small scale, and over time, they'll start to think less of the group targeted. Showing them with similar traits will build up ideas in people's minds that are quite sticky and entrenched. Think of the opinion center as a sort of pliable membrane, and repeated, low-level prodding will build up a resistance.

A culture as a whole also has this membrane. That's where we get our cultural values from. And the values change over time in reaction from certain pressures on that membrane, and all of those pressures stem from ideas. A few people thought poorly of women, designed a system that reinforced and reflected that belief, and after a while of everyone living in that system, that idea gets spread around to everyone. Everyone's opinions are, in many ways, reflections based off of the culture they live in. This is not to say that everyone in a specific culture has the same opinions--indeed, people have quite different outlooks on certain things, because of the way they specifically were brought to frame those ideas. But the cultural construct of, say, gender, is there.

Normalization is a repeated buffetting on the cultural membrane to build up a resistance to it. Low-level communications that forced sex, or unconsensual sex, or date rape, or that men deserve sex even if the woman doesn't want to, that stuff adds up. Look at films and books and comics in the 40's to the...gosh, right to the 80's. The bad guys were communists, or veiled representations of communists. Now, in the 21st century, we think of communism as just a political philosophy, but it was a MORAL thing back then. People were scared of that philosophy--not just the bomb, but the idea that one day the US would wake up and be a communist state. Anyways, as that stereotype in media went away, so did the fear.

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Well put.

Although, I do feel that the methods of this particulr feminist group are counter productive.  Raising attention to these type of products through protest has, in the past, generally increased their sales by raising awareness of the game.

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According to their actual post, their argument seems to be is, "profiting off of sexual and psychological abuse is completely unacceptable."

 

 

 

http://www.popularculturegaming.com

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Well, in that case the counter is "why is profiting off of murder and terrorism (two EXTREMELY popular subjects in movies, books, and television) totally acceptable?"

For that matter, where do they draw the line?  What kind of conflict is okay to profit off of?

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If you were in a debate competition with this response out on the table, I think you'd have stunned the opposing view into silence.

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the opposing view would probably counter with saying that those things are ALSO bad, and then accuse you of making strawman arguments

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And what about the children?  For heaven's sake!  Don't forget about the children!

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

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I don't think anything more needs to be said but unfortunately they'll never learn.

They think they're helping to stand for decency by calling attention to some real indecent stuff that they can find.

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