Dante's Inferno Ignites E3 Protest

Dante's Inferno Ignites E3 Protest

June 3, 2009

A small band of demonstrators gathered outside the Los Angeles Convention Center today to protest Dante's Inferno, an upcoming video game from publisher Electronic Arts.

While attendees viewed Dante's Inferno at EA's booth in the South Hall of the LACC, a dozen or so members of a Ventura County, California church group marched on the sidewalk. The protesters carried signs with messages like "EA = anti-Christ," reports the Los Angeles Times:

Matthew Francis, one of the protesters, said he and his fellow church members were particularly upset that Dante's Inferno features a character who fights his way out of Hell and uses a cross as a weapon against demons.

 

"We think this game should never come out," he said... 

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Anyone else found it amusing that that one of the signs read "Hell is not a Game"? I mean practically tempting people to make a witty remark about it.

My personal take "Hell is not a game, IT IS REAL!".

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"Our youth today live in a fantasy world to begin with"

One of the protesters actually said this. I don't know what happened next, but I'm assuming she died of irony overdose.

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Meanwhile, "Drag Me to Hell" is out in wide release at theaters.


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ok where were these protest when movies about hell came out? if hell cant be a game than how can hell be a movie? and they have missed a ton of games about hell like doom. and lets not forget about some anime series. if these protesters saw the anime demon lord dante there heads would asplode.

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Reminds me of my thoughts on Rapelay.  Nobody mention the hentai!!!

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This is why I converted to the Landover Baptists...

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Actually Hell IS a game.  "Hell: A Cyberpunk Thriller", released 1994.  Starring Dennis Hopper.  Don't think anybody raised a bitchfest about it back then, and this was in the days of "Night Trap".

Maybe instead of calling it Hell, EA should call it H-E-Double-Hockeystick Place, would that placate everyone?

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That game was TERRIBLE!!

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Yeah but at least it was allowed to get made without a bunch of obnoxioius non-gamers screaming about why it shouldn't be.

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If by "obnoxioius non-gamers" you mean "people hired by EA for a publicity stunt"

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They're absolutely right - they should have made a game based on the Paradiso instead, running around dismembering Angels.

ffs, Hell's been appearing in games since DOOM. People need to wake up and think about what they're protesting.

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Gotta admit that most of us would agree with the ea/antichrist thing.

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Wel--Well, yeah, but not in this context. The shit they pull make them look like the devil; Dante's Inferno makes them look like angels.

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In Bayonetta, angels are the bad guys- and you'll be beating up a lot of them. (I'm surprised at how bloody it is turning out to be)


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It's like it's blasphemous to attack demons. They're evil, and protected by the church?!! WTF?

Using a cross as a weapon actually sounds like a holy metaphore: the Cross saves us from Hell. How much more religious can you get?

This games seems like more sympathetic to the church than most movies. A lot of games do; from fighting demons in Doom, to the anti-Darwinistic messages in Half-life 2, games seem more tolarant of religion than any other medium, and yet these churches continue to attack them.

And we wonder why our congregations keep dwindling...

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"anti-Darwinistic messages in Half-life 2"

What are you talking about? No seriously WTF?

 

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yeah, what anti-darwinistic messages in Half life 2.  u'll have to explain that one.

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listen to the white haired guys speech when you first come off the train. he talkes about how natural stuff like sex and having kids is bad and they should let go of it.


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Like the other guy says, Listen to Breen. Pay attention to what the characters are saying, listen to the actual story.

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Oh, you mean the bad guy, the guy you're looking to stop. It's a classic story telling technique. Put the view you're against in the mouth of either the idiot or the villian, thus proving how useless the argument is.

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I'm sorry, it is early. Are you arguing against what I said, or just making a remark?

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Exactly. Darwinism isn't the belief in evolution, but that natural selection is the only way to progress. While HL2 portayed evolution as a fact of life, it portrayed that outcome as undesirable.

Dr. Breen, while claiming that everyone was destined for it, believed that only he and his "select few" were destined for the next phase in evolution, and that the Combine, "our benefactors" as he called them, were the answer. By selectively killing the population, he thought he was ensuring that only the stonger survived.

Meanwhile, the Combine themselves were portayed as hideous in their evolutionary superiority. Barely more than grubs with cybernetic implants, they couldn't breath, see, or move without their cyber appendeges. It's like the people from Wall-E to the tenth power.

The Resistance, on the other hand, showed how powerful humans are in their present form.

While this view isn't directly religious, it does show some powerful views against evolution.

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"While this view isn't directly religious, it does show some powerful views against evolution."

How so?

Just because a coward (Dr. Breen), Is spouting propoganda to the populace in order for them to fall in place with his plans (The Combine's Plans), It doesn't mean he was actually believing what he was saying. There is nothing against evolution in Half Life 2. Cutting off someone legs and putting metal contraptions on it isn't tantamount to evolution. For evolution to even be a classified event, it first needs to succeed. I see the evolved biological human (not their technology which isn't evolution but a by product of it) beating back the Combine in HL2.

Now you would be correct in that statement IF Dr. Breen was correct in his statements on the big screen, instead of it being a propoganda tool to suit his own ends.

 

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That's not what Darwinism is. Some evolutionists will tell you that it has nothing to do with evolution (like my idiot ecology professor), and some will even use the word "progress", but that's not it at all. There is no progress in evolution, only change. And the theory of natural selection implies evolution. You can't just have natural selection that stays within certain bounds. And if the Combine were so disgusting, doesn't that make a case for evolution? They didn't get the way they are by relying on nature after all. Yeah, I really don't think there are any pro or anti Darwinistic messages in HL2.

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...That would be an awesome game too, one that I would definitely play.

Hell, the point of games like Fable and Star Wars KOTOR is to give players the chance to be either good OR evil! Sometimes I feel like being evil for the hell of it, and other times I feel like being the 100% righteous person that I know that I'm not. (I admit, I'd give into some temptation in real life).

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These protesters need to go to Hell.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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Only uber-conservatives that get off on proving how much holier than thou they are.

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I think you just responded to his sig.

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I've never figured out why a Christian would have a problem with destroying demons.  Would they prefer a nice chat to try and work things out?  Over tea, perhaps?

This stinks to high heaven of a PR stunt that will blow up in EA's face.

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Nevered thought I see the day when me a Jesus agreed on something regarding gaming. I mean why is it so bad to kill demons? Aren't they the symbol of evel?

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I can just only imagine the people out on the streets.

Dude on street: "Hey, hey, what's this Dante's Inferno game you guys are bitching about?"

Protester: "It's a horrible game about the Divine Comedy which is set in hell."

Dude: "Whoa, what do you do?"
 

Protester: "You play Dante and you wield a scythe killing deformed demons and disembowling and beheading them in grues- wait! what are you doing?"

Dude now at Gamestop: "Pre-order for 1 Dante's Inferno please."

Then IRONIC FATALITY!

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Bad publicity is free publicity.

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Dumb protests by stupid people is also free publicity


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Does that weeny in the back have a sign that reads "Play Dante's Inferno, go to hell"?

If that's true, I have to play this game. That way, when I die, I won't have to hang out with these *crude remark deleted*

Seriously, take yourselves a little less seriously. No one is attacking your religion and no one is trying to to force you to play this game if you don't want to. Take it as a tribute to a classic, you silly people. I understand you don't like...anything, but...wait, nevermind, keep doing this. It makes you guys look like a joke, and that seems appropriate.

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"Does that weeny in the back have a sign that reads "Play Dante's Inferno, go to hell"?"

Wait isn't that the premis of the game?

Honestly I don't know what's worse these *crude remark deleted* or the ones complaining about the Hanuman game. For the record I am a Hindu and I don't really care about the Hanuman game it's just a game what's the big deal. Didn't play it, have no intention of playing a lousy game.... now if it was well made then I might play it :P

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...and Christians wonder why fewer and fewer people are embracing religion these days.  I just want to know what kind of life of leisure these protestors have to go out and picket against a game based on (very) old literature- on a work day during business hours.  Seriously.

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I think there is more to it than this alone. There is also the fact that some congregations want to remove people that they see as sinful like gay couples when the purpose of a church is not to seperate believers from the world but to encourage nonbelievers to come in and join.

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And then there's all the, you know, science. It's a little harder for people to preach that the earth is flat and that leeches can cure plague now that society has become less retarded. Sure, some people will believe it, but more and more will be skeptical as time goes on.

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Ahh, can you imagine a world without religion? No pushy "My God is better than your God" types, no moral outrage on things that aren't really moral issues.. No crazy extremists out there to kill anyone who doesn't believe..

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To be fair, these are 'christians' from California, home of most retarded activists and activism.  I'm sure that these people, like many members of PETA and Greenpeace, have no jobs, choosing rather to suckle from that government teat while they complain. 

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True, but I always thought California activism was more about kooky liberal ideals (animal liberation, living in trees, radical feminism, etc).  I guess someone in CA had to vote against gay marriage- and here they are apparently.

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To be fair, Austin_Lewis can't help but make digs at California seeing as he only heard lies and myths about it. And he doesn't live there to know what it is really like.


I'm from Ventura County, California. Which happens to be a very Republican area. Despite that Democrat voters are slowly catching up to their numbers. Hey, if Lewis wants Elton Gallegly, I'll be glad for him to take him off of us.


You have to remember that California is a huge state and pretty much has every type of political party you can think of there.


I'm also betting that these protestors are from Thousand Oaks or Simi Valley. If I'm wrong, then Camarillo.

 

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Oy what makes you think they're from Simi Valley? I live there and I've never eoncountered the batshit crazy (although I have seen WBC but I don't know where they're from).

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What state has the most out of control spending?  The most (and largest) 'racial issue' protests?  The biggest gay pride parades (not saying this is a bad thing, but it IS activism)?  Berkley College?  The biggest Million Mom March showing (an idiotic event run by people with barely a grasp on reality or fact)?  Rosie O'Donnell? I could go on, but I'd rather go downstairs and drink and watch a movie... probably gonna watch Role Models.

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Funny...hell is a game... at least in the way faith nazis propagate it as a means of subjugation and devision... if you can not let something go then you make hell on earth for those around you...... and I do it daily by bitching about how much modern gaming sucks :P


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How in the holy hell is a video game in which you fight demons with a cross evil or anti-christian. It seems to have a rather pro-christian theme to me. These fundamentalist christians are idiots.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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Lets make sure no one ever tells them about CastleVania right?

Seriously, WTF, enough already. It's a game loosley based on a book, but more closley based, given the trailer, on a mix of Ninja gaiden and God of war.

Get over it.

Must remmber to buy this game just to spite them.

 

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Not only is it based on a poem (a book if you want to call it that) it's a story that is THOUSANDS of years old. Once again I am reminded on how stupid people are.

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Just CastleVania? We better put Xenogears in a bomb shelter with these guys around.

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Don't forget to add the Xenosaga series in the bomb shelter.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Xenosaga was alright but if you look at it the controversial issues were toned down probably because of reasons like this... if this is not just some publicity stunt.


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Actually I think Xenogears caused such a fuss because of the whole "God was actually a gigantic bio-weapon and created humanity as spare parts" thing.(makes about as much sense as any explaination)

While the Xenosaga series with the exception of the Gnosis and some of the names, wasn't really about religion or gods, or not that I remember, it's been along time.

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... this HAS to be a joke, or people trying to make Christians look stupid. I mean really I didn't read all of the Inferno and I certainly haven't played a second of the game but the parts I remember of the inferno had a very Christian message to it "and here lies so and so for committing some horrible sin, watch at the horrible things being done to them" "Here are the angels who did not take a side in the great angel war, and down further are the ones who sided against God".

Where were these people when God of War was released where you had to serve the ancient Greek Gods? Ah obvious aside does Dante's Inferno really let you cast judgement on demons? I haven't been following the game too well as I've been turned off by the fact that Dante didn't really battle anyone in the book (although to be fair it would be very hard to turn the book into a video game without big tweaks as the plot is basically Dante taking a guided tour through hell encountering famous people trapped down there).

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This is downright perplexing. o_O  I be a Christain and I hardly see how this is offensive...  Slaying demons with crosses?  That sounds like an awesome time.  And them saying that EA = Antichrist due to this?

Come on... Think things through! D:

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Ughh...

This is NOT what being a Christian is about. I don't see why they're complaining.

I mean, the book is OK, but the video game isn't?

Times truly have changed...

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That's what's bothering ME. The book is practically canon; most of our modern-day ideas of what Satan and Hell are like actually came from Dante's Inferno. And yet, make a game on the same subject, and suddenly you're trivializing Hell? The doublethink is enough to make your head spin.

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From what I've seen of the game sofar (which I admit, isn't all that much) all they took from the book is the locations (the 9 circles of hell) and the name of the character (Dante) the rest has less than nothing to do with the actual content of the book. Most of which was contemplative, rather than an adventure. Dante certainly wasn't a warrior as far as I know.

So in a sense they're right, it is trivialising the book, although I doubt it is trivialising hell itself.
Religious nutters can't be pleased apparently, you make a game about fighting the forces of evil on their home turf and suddenly you're "trivialising" the meaning of said bad place. Silly people.

 

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Times haven't changed- Christianity has long been a hate group committed to imposing their ways on everyone else (and those Christians who aren't this way won't act against those who hijacked their faith).  I'm not sure why this group seemingly has no beef with the book/poem Inferno, but the Christian "culture war" still routinely targets books.  Harry Potter is still a big source of ill for these people. 

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So what exactly are we supposed to do to "act against" these people? It's not like we can actually make them stop.

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you are aware that not all christians are as intolerant as some of the more vocal members of the comunity right?

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Times haven't changed- Atheists have long been a hate group committed to imposing their ways on everyone else (and those atheists who aren't this way won't act against those who hijacked their faith).

Ad hominem fallacies make us cool, amirite?

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It's not our fault we're better than everyone else and like them to know it.

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Please. As Athiests, we don't push our ways onto anyone, we just don't want anyone pushing thier ways onto us. We do this by making sure our friendly neighborhood government keeps thier religious ideology to themselves.

Just because you seem to think that preventing you from pushing your beliefs in our face constitutes us pushing our faith on you, it doesn't make it true.

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Please. As theists, we don't push our ways onto anyone, we just don't want anyone pushing thier ways onto us. We do this by making sure our friendly neighborhood internet weirdo keeps thier lack of religious ideology to themselves.

Just because you seem to think that every theist in existence is pushing their beliefs in your face doesn't make it true.

 

Seriously, I could keep this up for days.  I don't even care about the theism v. atheism argument (although I'm annoyed at the insinuations being thrown around), I just like to screw with people who aren't good at arguing.

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Why hello there fun haters.

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My friends and I saw this immediately as we headed into E3 and the general consensus was that it was a viral ad campaign.

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I was thinking the same. It´s far too stupid to be real. But reality and human idiocity often can surprise you.

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This is the group's website: http://www.wearesavedgroup.org  Which, for an amateur site, has awfully clean css.  The registration was done by proxy, so I can't confirm that it's EA or a marketing firm, but I smell viral marketing.

Also, Hell is a game.

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Yeah that would make far more sense, I find the idea that nutty groups would even hear about the game at this stage to be very low unless they follow video games for some reason. Assuming they do follow video games why do they not care about God of War?

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The sad thing is even if it was apublicity stunt or marketing ploy some nut-jobs *cough<insert name we all know here>cough* will still latch on to the protest and do anything they can to put down the game.

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I'm noticing it only links to the game trailer (on gametrailers no less, how oddly game savy of them) and the offical game website, no church or bible based links? That's odd, don't you think?

Also, google brought me to this. Registered June 1st? How Interesting.

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I call viral marketing. The logo and trailer are pretty prominent on that page.

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I agree. Almost certainly fake. They used css to try really hard to make the site look like an old crapy geocities/frontpage style site. Also, their signs are really elaborate. I've never seen protestors with signs that detailed and witty.

 

 

 

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This is definitely a pr-stunt. Just look at what they accuse ea of at the site. Witchcraft and sorcery? Sexual perversion? Though it would'nt surprise me that they would actually be serious about this.

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Do they accuse EA of doing that or do they accuse the game of containing it?

Because dante's inferno did have a special place for the lustful, not sure about witchcraft and sorcery didn't read the whole book (although I don't find it hard to believe that demons in the game would cast spells so that'd probably qualify)

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Not specifically sorcerers, but fortune-tellers and prognosticators are doomed to walk around in circles with their heads on backwards.

Also, the demons didn't cast spells. They hung around a lake of boiling pitch and jabbed at people who tried to climb out.

One of my favorite passages in the poem is when Virgil and Dante approach them and their leader, Malacoda "Makes a trumpet of his rear".

(Canto XXI, Line 139)

 

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Superman is more real than Jesus.

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Imagine if Jesus had come back to life, Superman style?   There would bee a half-robot version of Jesus, a teenage version, and an evil Jesus wearing sunglasses.  That is a story I would read in a heartbeat.

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Well, there is already a robot Jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAmJs1ZrIU

And don´t forget Raptor Jesus...

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Nonono, they got it all wrong.

EA = Antichrist. EA =/= anti-Christ.

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At least EA make games and not totally useless hair products... right?

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1. I already played and beat a game where you fought your way into Hell and back out again. Ever hear of Doom? Came out in 1993?

2. You can't accept the game, but can can you accept the book? I read about Dante's Inferno back when I was in High School English class.

 - Warren

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Protesters need to do some friggin' research before they begin protesting bullshit. Let's see:

Neon Genesis Evangelion christian themes in it

Castlevania letted you use a cross as a weapon (no one protested on that.)

Xenogears

Xenosaga

Max Payne

Doom

these are among the following that I know had any religious or hell themes or references. It's plain simple: Just don't play the damn game, besides like most of the posters here said, it is based on a poem from 1000 years ago. No need to piss & protest, it's a waste of time & energy.

What we got here is failure to communicate!

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Hah a bit late arent they?

Doom, hellgate london, dungeon keeper.... Hell is SO a game.

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http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/hell-a-cyberpunk-thriller

Not only is Hell a game but it is a cyberpunk thriller!

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Silly protesters, video games are only make-believe. Just like your bible.

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One more thing to add to my poe's law list.

The only reason I know this is a PR stunt of some type is that they don't actually name their church. They always name their church, they want people to come to their church. Not tomention the kind of people who would protest this game,never dress like that.

This is a PR stunt.

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Don't Catholics of the old times think they could "fight" demons through prayer and rituals?  I don't see the issue these people have with the game, unless they find it offensive that you could fight to escape from hell, a divine punishment.

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Hell is not a game. Hell is not real either.

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Have you ever been to Kansas?

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You silly, Hell isn't in Kansas, it is in Michigan.

Hell freezes, too.

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I object to this.

Hell does exist. It's called "Sah Na-tah Ah-nah."

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Peanut FTW

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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It's plain and simple. The church hates video games because it's another thing people do instead of going to church. They'll jump on any reason to downplay it.

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So who or what is "the church"?

Are you attempting to lump all Christians in with Catholics?

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A few things.

1) This isn't a representation of all of Christianity.  This is a few morons in California, which seems to be the home of most of the moronic activists and activism in the world.  The priest at my church actually encouraged people to look into it when it came out, because its a reimagining of some of the oldest books embraced by the church, and those books are where we got most of the imagery for heaven, hell, and purgatory.  All things can be turned to the glory of God.

2) I don't quite understand.  It's all well and good when you read about Dante struggling to find his way through hell, purgatory, and heaven, but when Dante becomes a badass with a weapon, all the sudden it's evil?  What the fuck ever. 

3) I think Brokenscope is onto something here, and lets face it; EA is know for some pretty shystey PR stunts.  Most of the time when you see faggotry like this, the church says who they are (say, Westboro Baptist Church, or maybe a church of the LDS variety) or the people will state what organization they belong to, in order to gain some publicity.  But the article in the LATimes (rag) makes no mention of their affiliations. 

4) Go to the LATimes article and just look at the fat motherfucker in the picture.  She's (he's?) standing at the far right, but goddamn.  Ugly motherfucker.

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You're right about the PR stunts, I remember all the dead space hype with it being banned in certain countries. EA loves their viral marketing.

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Huh.  This story makes very little sense.  "Not much does anymore."

"HEY! LISTEN!"

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Please be a publicity stunt...oh please oh please oh please... if anything I think churches would be stoked as...

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Its fake, their website only links to the gamesite and the game trailer, also like has been said its only been resgistered for just over a month.

 

This is going to back fire on EA mark my words.

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Well good, I'd hate to think that a religious group would ever rage over a piece of fiction and... *remembers so-called Muslim outrage over Jojo's Bizarre Adventure* wait, never mind.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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When I first saw this yesterday on another site I thought two things.

1) I'd protest what they've done with the poem too.  Wait, that's not what they are protesting? 

2) EA or their marketing company hired a bunch of local starving actors and actresses to do this.

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I'm incredibly upset at this game.

 

How dare it not be released for PC :|

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Seems like a pretty obvious publicity stunt.

I mean, Christians protest some silly things sometimes but even they have more sense than to get offended by a game that is based on a piece of literature that was written around 700 years ago. Especially when you consider the fact that there have been literally thousands of references to hell and demons in popular culture (more than just games) and the fact that this game doesn't cover any new ground that hasn't been done before in that regard.

So really, this is just another example of EA thinking their customers are morons.

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So hell is not a game, therefore they should denounce a game that A) advocates destroying demons and

B) is based off an ancient story that uses hell as a playground to make political statements ( i didn't actually make it past the 3rd or 4th circle before something came up and i had to give the book back unfortunately, so i didn't get to read of purgatory or paradise)

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I agree that's it seems fairly obvious that this has to be a publicity stunt.  The simply hasn't had enough press to warrant a portest.

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I mean, Christians protest some silly things sometimes but even they have more sense than to get offended by a game that is based on a piece of literature that was written around 700 years ago

Right, they just get offended when you do something that's not in a book from 2000 years ago (see: JT, Don McLeroy)
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"Matthew Francis, one of the protesters, said he and his fellow church members were particularly upset that Dante's Inferno features a character who fights his way out of Hell and uses a cross as a weapon against demons."

The... but... what.... waitwaitwait... having the demons be the BAD guys... is a BAD thing? As Christians, aren't you supposed to... like... NOT LIKE DEMONS? As in, the goal is to get into heaven and NOT be submitted to their eternal wrath or however the saying goes? Besides the fact, when did they get so up-in-arms about this over half-a-millennium old book?

Also, if using holy weapons is a bad thing, then where were they for Castlevania? That was out, oh, i don't know 20 years ago?

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Hail pastor Deacon! They are the devoters of Evil, read: Hell is not a gamer! Dont kill the devils! It clearly shows that they are devoters of the Devil him self! Burn them... I am kind of religious but dont pay attention because who criates a church in this day are just after the money of the fool who believe blindly in the teaching of GOD... burn them.

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Several weeks ago i meet a priest who baptized me. We were talking about things and he asked what i do during my free time, so i told him that i play games. Turned out that he also is gamer these days and his favourite game is Devil May Cry 4.

I guess that evangelical lutheran priest are different.

 

 

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Was about to mention DMC. A half-demon facing various Lords of hell by transforming into a demon and destrying them with their own power.Not to mention people have been using crucifix shaped objects to kill for centuries. They are called SWORDS!

That said I agree this is most likely a PR stunt.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Some would argue that a protestant hunting a demon pope isn't that far from his day job.

 

 -P, almost put an extra O in Pope.

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Well...DMC is the main reason this game isn't needed, we already have a demon slayer named Dante, who is so badass that no one will ever be better. so if they were protesting with this...eh, i'd allow it.

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That's a fair point. I mean, crosses are sort of worthless for...anything.

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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/...
Unrelated, but hilarious all the same.

Who worships the devil? SPIDERMAN!

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I'm not even gonna START with THIS asshole. Theres not enought hours in the day.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Total PR stunt, their site just screams parody even though, disturbingly it's not too far off from real fringe nutjobs. Nevermind that the site is registered via Domainsbyproxy as if there's something to hide and like someone else mention, the site was created on June 1st. Totally viral... This is up there with Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety.

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Yeah, this is definitely a PR stunt. And not a particularly well-done one, either.

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Given the number of knee-jerk comments here? I'd say they did a good job of it.

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I swear we just went back to 1997.

 

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians.

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Whether you think it's a good PR stunt or not, this article has reached over 100 comments on the site. If it's a PR stunt, it's certanly working.

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No one has brought up Poe's law yet, the one that states that parody fundamentalism is impossible to tell from the real thing.

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I did.

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LOL

 The PR stunt most certainly DID WORK!  Look at all of the slack jaw yokels on here who fell for it and are still raging against the "protestors".

 

Grats suckers :D

 

Trevor Gray ganjookie@yahoo.com

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I'm surprised they never protested disgaea. I'm pretty sure they would throw a fit about it, since it repeatedly says demons are not inherently evil, and angels are not inherently good. not to mention the fact that you play as Laharl, who these idiots would probably think is the antichrist.

oh, and I almost forgot about Etna

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Yeah, Etna's hot...

what were we talking about?

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

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Most Nippon Ichi characters are underaged, lolicon material. Saying that Etna's hot might get you into trouble with the authorities :P


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I'd agree, but Etna is in her 1400s so...

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What game DOESN'T spark protestors nowadays? Reminds me of PCU or Danny Phantom. They make jokes about how people are ready to protest at the drop of a hat.

But they are going about this all wrong. Games educate people. Do you realize how much religious research I needed to do to understand the plot of Xenosaga? (Side note: Kos Mos just won the Robot Battle over on one of the other blogs. I wanted to respond with "Holy Mary mother of Jesus!" but if you hadn't played the games all the way through, you wouldn't get it.)

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Such lame bullshit. To hell with these guys!

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Earthworm Jim already did the whole escape from hell thing and it even got an E rating simply by changing the word Hell to Heck.

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God will judge sinners who play this game harshly?  I don't recall any teachings of God instructing that "Thou shalt not play Dante's Inferno"

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Im against the game myself, but not for the messed-up reasons these guys are preaching

The original Dante's Inferno was about a poor, depressed man going through a midlife crisis as he continues to mourn the death of his beloved Beatrice. As he wanders through a dark forest and contemplates his suicide, he sees a mountain of righteousness and attempts to climb it, only to be stopped by three great beasts of evil. Dante than meets Virgil, a Poet who had died more than a thousand years ago, who guides dante on a journey through hell, purgatory and heaven, and to show Dante the people of have been led astray without the light of christ guiding them

The game involves Dante beating the crap out of demons with a large cross, as he’s trying to escape hell and look for his beloved Beatrice as well (as to why hes looking in Hell is anyone’s guess). In all, EA is taking the wrong direction with this game, and Im protesting it as well. Dante's Inferno was a literary classic, an epic to the same degree as Homer’s Odyssey or Virgil's Iliad. EA is just spraying it with the sweat off of David Jaffe’s forehead, and intends to sell it as an alternative to God of War III.

Still, those protestors have their own wacky beliefs, and they’re just practicing their 1st Amendment rights. So let them be. Until they begin drenching themselves in the blood of an abortion doctor and threatening to attack programmers at EA, I think that this can just be ignored for now.

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Ok let get this straight. First off if this is some sort of Rick Roll joke then fail on you. However if this is actually legit, than wow are you fucking retarded? Half the time I hear, its always been, You sin you go to hell and hell is a bad place. SO IF anything, giving the circumstances of this game in which a person is trying to escape it, wouldn't that be a good thing. Fact is: You can't do shit about preventing this game from coming out and you need to get over yourselves and go outside and look at your own lives.

And this is why I am no longer part of christianity.

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Ok I think we've gathered that this more than likely a publicity stunt but how badly do you think this will blow up in EA's face once people get wind of it?

Although it's funny that EA is the only one who tries to literally make controversy for their games.

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I didn't for Bungie for a long time, I don't see why EA would be any different.  Plus they've already generated a gain from this marketing ploy (if it is one), a number of people now know what Dante's Inferno is, and that would be the entire point of the stratagy. So the answer would be not at all or they have already gained from this.

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Ok I think we've gathered that this more than likely a publicity stunt but how badly do you think this will blow up in EA's face once people get wind of it?

Although it's funny that EA is the only one who tries to literally make controversy for their games.

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And people wonder why others reject christianity... when you make inane protests like this your "club" doesn't look very inviting.

 

I used to have faith (chuckle) that logic would prevail... I'm not so sure anymore.

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So... I assume thse people protested King of the Hill because, the made up show the Hills watched on occasionhad a vigilante priest who before killing someone, said "Vaya con Dios" which translates to Go with God, right?

Wait, videogame are always targeted by these idiots.

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No, Hell (Helvede in Danish) is actually a Danish town :) And isn't there a movie called Hell Raiser or something ?

But jokes a side, people have a right to have their say; developers have a right to make games they want to make, even bloody and gory ones. Just add an 18+ rating or M-rating on the box.

Dante's Inferno (the book, not the game) is a tale of Dante who makes a trip to Hell and back, going through Hell, to Purgatorio, to Paradise. I don't remember if Dante in the book ever fights with a cross, but what would the Christian rather see Dante (or other persons) in the game fight demons with in the game? Maybe a gun, or a cross-bow?

 

 

 

 

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I don't quite understand the point in this protest... I mean had they never heard of the Inferno before the game was announced? Do those people even have any idea who Dante is, or that the Inferno is actually a book? Why don't they try and ban that before banning a video game loosly based on it >___>!?

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I imagine their view is if Hell is belittled to the extent of being a setting in a video game then it loses it's real-life fear factor. Apparently they view the concept of Hell as their own personal tool to instill fear into children/other people so they'll be more inclined to follow their own personal perception of a "good person". I'm sure they're afraid that if there's no fear of some kind of supernatural punishment in the afterlife then people will not be afraid to "sin" all over the place. However the flaw in this is you could claim a truely good person would do good deeds because they care for others and NOT out of some kind fear of some mystical bad place.

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Wait, don't most of these people believe Jesus went into hell, brought some people out, then came back? And he fought demons sometime before that?

EDIT: O wait it was a publicity stunt. What the hell was EA thinking?

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I thought it was Death's scythe you fought with, not a cross?

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We should be more specific about EA being the Antichrist.  It's EA Management that's the Antichrist.  Can't really put that label on people like (former employee) Will Wright or the Dead Space team.  Know what I mean?

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You know this was a publicity stunt by EA right? 

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If they make this anything like the past few items they've made for The Sims franchise, the church people have nothing to fear.  Their latest venture The Sims 3 is about as f'd up as it can get and still run.  I've been having fun reading all about it. 

 

 

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Escapist is calling ti a publicity stunt
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.117296

 


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Quite frankly, it's tiring to see these kinds of games. If other religions had their symbols used in this kind of big money game, we'd hear no end of it. Like maybe large organizations calling for all adherants to that religion to boycott a company?

Oddly enough, that situation was still used to bash christianity, even though it was a completely and utterly seperate religion that shared no common ancestry with christianity.

You guys need to gtfo it like you're telling these people using their voices to. It offends them, congrats, when you parody / make light of something others take seriously, it offends them.

I will not buy securom games. http://www.wolvenmoon.com/sharedfiles/message1.jpg and http://www.wolvenmoon.com/sharedfiles/message2.jpg

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I wouldn't be surprised if EA hired these people to create controversy.

Publicity is always good.

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Although I support every and any form of EA bashing, I personally find it distasteful to claim that an imaginary underworld supposedly created by the rival of an old man, who allegedly travels from cloud to cloud with no apparent means of transportation and from whom we owe the death of millions due to a flood he/she/it provoked long ago, is not fit nor morally accepted to use in a video game, a work of fiction.

I'm impressed those god-lovers don't play more video games, nor that they produce any games at all. Clearly, the idea of an old geezer loving and hating his sons and daughters, who sent his only true son to die on a cross for very bizarre reasons is one weird but excellent idea à la H.P. Lovecraft to me.

If this is an actual publicity stunt, then I say.. "Fuck you" more than ever EA. You've lost my trust and respect at the XXth (Lost count of it) expansion of medal of honor and sims, and have not made any better for the past 10 years or so. Now you need to whip the sensitive beliefs of a group of confused people to sell your ordinary looking game...

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I disagree with people saying it's a successful PR stunt just because we're talking about it.

The stunt fails because of the main fact that we are only talking about the stunt itself and not the game. Throughout all these comments, I see very little interest in the actual game itself. And once EA admits to it just being a PR stunt, it will overshadow the product they are trying to promote even more.

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The funny thing is that you really can't make a game out of Dante's Inferno anyway. It's just like EA to take something and bastardize it, isn't it?

It's gonna be crap.

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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:51am
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Posted 11/07/09 at 10:48am
JDKJ: And that even if he was begging not to get cut loose, he was apparently a real good candidate for being cut loose, anyway.
Posted 11/07/09 at 10:11am
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Posted 11/07/09 at 08:44am
JDKJ: And it isn't yet clear what type of ammunition Hasan used. It's strange that he purchased a gun but didn't purchase ammunition for it at the same place and time. Especially because the calibre required is peculiar to the actual gun.
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