Fox News on Rendition: Guantanamo

June 4, 2009 -

Fox News offers its take on the cancellation of Rendition: Guantanamo, including an interview with Pete Hegseth of Vets For Freedom.

Hegseth, who served with the U.S. military in Iraq and as a guard at Guantanamo Bay, was also interviewed by conservative newspaper the Washington Times:

[Rendition: Guantanamo] looked like to us a blatant attempt to twist reality and change the perception of the American soldier...

 

We need to keep [pressure] on guys like [former Guantanamo detainee] Moazzam Begg and what they are trying to do in rewriting history at Guantanamo: That our troops are oppressors and that the detainees are all victims.


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Come on, we all know Fox are crazy hypocrits that do the very same thing they condemn or start condemning things they considered fine when it was 'their' people doing it. And I bet there are Democratic-lined news shows that are just as cocky. They're all a bunch of liars, who gives a shit.

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Man, you guys are so adamant about exercising your first amendment rights, but when a news organization does, you guys start bashing them for it.

The same first amendment rights allowing you guys to bash everything you see as skewed against you gives them the same right to bash anything skewed against them. Welcome to the U.S.

Recognize that the ONLY 'conservative' news network is on the same network that creates and airs family guy, american dad, the simpsons, is making the cleveland show, made futurama, king of the hill, et cetera.

Fox news, Conservative? Not really. A news organization that makes money off of publicity - positive or negative? Yep. Stop bashing conservatives for a business's actions. It's like bashing gamers because of EA's actions. Of course, your freedom of speech entitles you to be a jerk based off of a misconception.

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 You seem to be on a very high horse.  You're right when you say that we have the same first amendment rights.  Yet you seem to be angry that people are using theirs to speak out against Fox News.  Free speech cuts both ways.  You obviously know this, we know this. You are of course free to repeat this over and over again, as perhaps their is someone, who honestly does not know.

 

Let me also point out the situation that people here are not happy with. It looks like Vets for Freedom "intimidated" T-enterprise into silence.  And then went on Fox News to brag about.  That's what it looks like that might not be the case but that's is what it looks likes and potentially that a very real chilling effect for free speech.  Something we should all be concerned about; yet E.D. Hill seems very pleased with this,  even announcing that the story was somehow breaking News.  Video games in development get cancelled all the time is this really that different, I don't even think this got a blip on IGN which is also owned by News Corp.  Here is the principal of the thing though If a Holocaust denier or 9/11 "truther" wants to write a bunch of crap and sell it, in the US, or Israel, or in the middle east, or anywhere eles for that matter,  I think you should just let them.  The best way to fight against their hateful ignorance isn't to silence them it's to write another book, or make another game.  This is a situation where it seems the opposite happened. 

Do you also seriously think that Fox News is not heavily conservative?  There is a difference between the business side, Fox News channel and also Fox which airs but didn't create the shows you mentioned.  However you seem to conflate them all together or perhaps you were confused by someone's else words.  I'll try to clarify things.  It is commonly understood that when people say Fox News, or Faux News, that they are typically refering to the cable channel.  More to the point the host like; Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Mike Huckabee, and E.D Hill we can run down the list but its already heavily conservative.  

I'll be honest, I hate Fox News I think that most of them are out right fascist.  Their are instances however where I find myself in full support of the Business side of Fox, for example the recent supreme court decision where they (among other broadcasting companies) were trying to overturn a ruling about the FCC ability to levy fines.  Its a shame they lost 5-4.   

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Pardon my french, but this is just Horribifuckus.

He's from Vets for freedom, but he seems to be attempting an oppression of other's freedom rights?

(Insert Monty Python quote)

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I am a big time libertarian, the party all the non-nazi republicans have gravitated towards, and I say release the game. Fox news can call it whatever they like short of libel and the open market can decide if the game is relevant or not. Same with rapelay. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech, whether you like it or not.

Remember how half the people commenting here were all like, "Oh noes!" when the Rapelay controversy came out? Just us readers pulling a Faux News when the shoe is on the other foot.

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I myself wish to hear about Guantanamo from all perspectives of it.  Expecting that we should only be spoonfed that everyone on our side was a glowing paladin and everyone on their side was a demonic minion of destruction sort of smacks of propoganda to me.

And really I don't want anyone fifty years from now to point back and laugh at us like others do to the cornball propoganda during the World Wars.

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I can't watch these things. The amount of stupid in them is very bad for my health.

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I stopped reading at the word "Fox"

I assume I didn't miss anything important

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Not really.

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Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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oy vay and how many of the eblie detainee's are just average joes caught up in the mess over there are nothing but pawns of fate and because there is no order or organization to how we imprison them.... if they are/were NOT anyone of note just another normal lemming theres little reason to hold them.

The whole things is a mess prognosticated by "usVthem" and "ooo look America look at what Dark lord Chaney is doing to distract...I mean protect you with" mentalities ..... I swear anarchy to clean out government is looking good.... we don't need fou autocrats and noble houses screwing over the country jsut cuse no one bothered to make lobbying( bribes), and lieing to the public not only illegal but they get paid obscenely to do it........



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Why on earth does GamePolitics give FAUX News any space at all?

I have yet to see them being "Fair and Balanced".

How about GamePolitics running some Pravda-stories about games
painting US to be heroes and [insert random minority] as villains.

Let Faux News fall be ignored into oblivion.

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On the Washington Times article, I placed this comment:

My first attempt to post was cut short by a badly designed website that refreshed while I was typing.
 
Vets for Freedom, a nonpartisan organization”
Really?
 
“poster child of the anti-war left," Mr. Hegseth said. “
 
Looks partisan to me.
 
"It looked like to us a blatant attempt to twist reality and change the perception of the American soldier," he said.”
 
Hmmm….
 
“The game was to take a player into a third-person action adventure set in 2020, where he controls a detainee dressed in an orange jump suit and tries to escape from mercenaries. It's a story that might look familiar to American audiences. “
 
Let’s see…
 
It’s 2009, not 2020, in the real world.
 
American soldiers are NOT mercenaries.
And the overwhelming majority of players are NOT detainees, let alone detainees at Gitmo.
Gee, that makes the game A FICTIONAL STORY.
 
I also find it rather hilarious the use of “Freedom” in their very organization’s title, considering that they are CLEARLY opposed to Freedom of Speech.
 
Oh, these are probably the same individuals that give me the big laugh when they scream “We’re over there fighting for YOUR Freedoms, so you DON’T have the Right to Speak your opinions in opposition to the war or any aspect of it!”
 
“first and foremost, the main character was NOT Moazzam Begg,”
 
“was not only going to help with the design of the prison for the game, but also that "Moazzam will do three days of sound with us then we will 3D-render him into the game." “
 
Perhaps some people have a problem with reality, but people who use their voices for characters in cartoons or have their images used in cartoons are NOT the characters they portray. 
 
In fact, Robin Williams did not actually travel to Earth in a flying egg. Just because he played a character on TV that did, doesn’t mean that HE is secretly Mork From Ork.
 
Really, you folks have a serious problem with the difference between reality and fiction. 
Seek mental help.
 
Andrew
 

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For all I challenge the part about Robin Williams, I agree with the rest of it. Maybe if this had been done as a comedy game it would have made it through. I mean, a cultural liason with the White House right now was just one short year ago in a movie about being (1) falsely accused of terrorism, (2) being mistreated in Gitmo by American troops, and (3) escaping the same prision. By that logic, restart development of this game. but make sure the player character is also a stoner.

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You know, I was thinking that exact same thing.

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The game was set in 2010, not 2020.

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I'm quoting their article. 

Even so, this is 2009.

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Raise your hand if your suprised by this. I'm not. Fox pulls this shit all the time.

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Real fair and balanced right there Faux News. You can just hear the blatant hate and racism when she says Zarrar Chisti's name. Did you guys know that Middle East==Terrorists? I didn't. Did you also mean that preaching against indecent treatment of detainess == aiding terrorists and trying to break them out of prison? Oh yeah don't forget that Britain supports terrorism too.

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The only time when Fox News is romotely reasonable is on Gun Control and sometimes economic issues, everything else is bat shit crazy.

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And by remote, I assume you mean by galactic standards? i.e. within a duodecillion light years?

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Gotta love Fox Noise, and thier ability to attack anything and everything that might clash with the conservative viewpoint.

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We need to keep [pressure] on guys like [former Guantanamo detainee] Moazzam Begg and what they are trying to do in rewriting history at Guantanamo: That our troops are oppressors and that the detainees are all victims.

 

Aren't we supposed to encourage freedom of speech, and the value of opinion? Wouldn't this be prosecuting thought-crime and opinion?  I'm sure Moazzam Begg has his opinion, so what's wrong with him expressing it? He certainly has every right to have the position he does and so for Fox News to turn around and say he "shouldn't" is just offensive in itself.

Double standards are still bullshit, Fox. This report shows how in favor you are of them.

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Don't you read the fine print? After the first amendment it clearly says "Unless someone somewhere might get their feelings hurt."

I wonder how many people think that these rights only apply to US Americans. Rights must apply to everyone or else they are not inalienable. The greatest freedom is the right to express your view, opinions, and experiences. There have been countless works of fiction that portray the military, government agencies, and people of other countries as evil. Even our allies. But the second that the United States is portrayed poorly (by someone who was held in a prison that many of us believe should be shut down) there is a huge controversy.

I've played games made here in the States which portray the military as the enemy. Hell, how often have you seen a sci-fi movie about army experiments that go wrong and end up killing hundreds? Sure, the game has you killing analouges for the military servicemen, but is that really any worse than games which have you killing anyone? A prisoner escaping has been included in a number of games. You escape from the prison/dungeon and kill anyone who stands in your way. Killing is distasteful no matter who is dying.

For some reason, lately it seems that people are finding games based on reality offensive. Would I have played this game? Maybe, it would depend on if it was fun. It is an IP and there have been a few good ones recently. But I don't know. Now I will not have the chance to make that choice for myself.

As for the controversy, maybe we need controversy. Like it or not, we have a prison in Cuba where many detainees are being held without charge or trial. Going against quite a few of the values we hold dear in this country. A lot of people believe that Gitmo should be shut down. Our president is trying to shut it down only to be blocked by a lot of states refusing to allow them to be imprisoned in their maximum security prisons. This is an issue that will not go away by ignoring it. Things like this are sometimes the only way to get people really talking about it.

I wouldn't be surprised, considering the source material for the game, if the entire goal of making it was to get people talking.

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"Don't you read the fine print? After the first amendment it clearly says "Unless someone somewhere might get their feelings hurt.""

Actually it states "Unless some American somewhere might get their feelings hurt." Otherwise nobody would be able to talk.

"For some reason, lately it seems that people are finding games based on reality offensive. Would I have played this game?"

Reality IS offensive that's why we escape to games

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Yeah, they read. They're exercising their freedom of speech. Or would you have it be "Only people that agree with us can exercise their freedom of speech?".

Their critical, negative reaction to this game's exercise of freedom of speech is in itself an exercise of it. They're absolutely free to say anything they want about it.

Basically, their voicing their offense is covered under the same freedom of speech used when this game was made. If you feel that the majority is verbally oppressing the minority's opinion on this subject and you voice it, hey, guess what you have the right to do! Take a guess about what any majority voicing their opinion has as well.

First amendment works all ways.

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