Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So Much...

June 13, 2009 -

Rev. James Dobson, the politically influential, conservative evangelical leader of nonprofit group Focus on the Family, has given a green light to some video games while offering warnings about violent an sexual content as well as possible game addiction in regard to others.

Dobson's comments appeared in his newspaper column in response to a question from a parent about their son's video gaming:

Depending on the particular games in question, you may have a valid cause for concern... two University of Michigan researchers concluded in 2007 that violent media, including television, film and video games, pose a significant public health threat...

Furthermore, some video games add unhealthy sexual themes and profanity to the mix, not to mention that the American Medical Association estimates one in 10 video gamers is addicted.

Of course, not all video games are problematic. Certain sports games, for instance, can be loads of fun. Some can even be educational...

I’d advise you to put clear limits on the amount of time your son will be allowed to spend with video games... Insist he avoid the troublesome ones altogether...

GP: Dobson is referring to the 2007 Huesmann-Bushman study.


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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

James Dobson might have used to be a person one could take seriously without being a danger to society, but those days are long-gone.

He's as far on the religious right as that Pat Robertson asshole.  Possibly moreso.

No, Luke, I AM the Walrus

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Fairly level-headed column. He refers to flawed studies, but the stories that discredit these studies never get the same amount of play as the original studies.

And seriously, all you guys flying off the handle, you did not read the fucking article, I can tell that so easily. This is a column in response to a dad who was wondering about his young son's video gaming habits. Fuck people, its called reading comprehension! 

There were actually several people who said that Dobson using the word 'son' was sexist. FUCK YOU. READ THE ARTICLE. Jesus fucking christ. 

I cannot even comprehend how stupid some of you guys are. Are you so eager to RAGE AGAINST THE MAN that you're too cool to read? If this rant applies to you, you should know that you are not helping the 'video game cause' in any way by being a moron. Thank you.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Am I wrong to believe you have no idea of who James Dobson is? Probably not, in fact, I'm 100% right.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

As far a religion and the Bible of the Christians, Old testament of the Judasim (I don't know the book that Jewish people read from, but you get the idea), the Koran of the Muslims and everything from Hindu and Buddah to even the Native Americans, Aztecs, Africans, Oceania Aboriginals and everything around the world I believe that we ourselves should forgive others who have caused us harm.

That is what Jesus did in the end.

We should also have to understand that some people will never change their ways, so we should not expect them to change when we have already changed and forgiven them.

 

Horrible things do happen in real life, but that is the reason why I believe we do have violent content and sexual content in our Videogames and other media. It is just like the Bible and other holy books because they are trying to talk about serious issues in society in more of a story telling way.

Of course there are things that are fact in the stories and many things that are fiction to make it a good story to read, but that is the same with everything else from TV to Videogames.

To be honest, I can relate allot to the Violent and Sexual content in Videogames as I could think about how they reflect how horrible humanity is and understand it from a better angle.

I know I can't change anything, but I can still chose to do something in my life to make myself better.

 

Or at least that is how I understand it.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

While I was happy that he did not take the "All entertainment Videogames are bad" approach, it still has me sad at the fact that he did not really talk about the ESRB and what each of the ratings mean.

Like, E rated games are suitable for everyone no matter what age. (EC games are for Early Childhood that are mostly found on P.C. Computer and are educational games for pre-schoolers.)

E10+ rated games are recommended to be suitable for everyone above the age of 10.

T rated games are recommended to be suitable for everyone in their teenage years and above.

M17+ rated games are recommended to be suitable for everyone above the age of 17. They are what is considered to be mature adults even though they may be 17.

AO18+ rated games are recommended to be suitable for everyone above the age of 18 and they are for Adults Only.

It should also be note that Videogame retailers in America are not confident to sell AO18+ rated games, therefore the hardware developers and many publishers chose not to publish a game that is rated AO18+ and therefore if such as rating would be given to a game, the publisher can chose to order the developer to change the offending content, then resubmit it into the ESRB for a re-classification and it would be more likely the content of the game would be toned down to an M17+ rating. This is NORMAL for game Developers to do this, because they have worked so hard on a game and for the game not being marketable will be a huge financial cost to the company.

Until there is an agreement for the AO18+ rating for videogames to be marketable, this situation will not change, the only way an AO18+ game can ever be marketable is via Online because even though people want their children to be protected against some adult orientated games, Adults need to have the choice to play Videogames they want to play too without any moral backlash from their community groups.

 

 

So what do you think? Do you think I might have done a better job at describing the ESRB ratings?

 

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Plus the ESRB is there to HELP parents so THEY can decide what games their younger children should or should not play BEFORE they make that purchase.

Parents find it hard to do anything after the purchase of the game in question other than implementing the Parental Controls on Videogame Consoles. Then there is the kids throwing a complete tantrum and many parents I know don't want to get involved if it comes to a videogame, so therefore that is why the ESRB is there for a reason, it gives parents some advice so they can chose. Also it allows Adults to play the games they want to play (other than the AO rating).

TBoneTony

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Father,
Tell your children not to walk my way
Tell your children not to hear my words,
What they mean, what they say,
Father...

Father.
Can you keep them in the dark for life?
Can you hide them from the waiting world?
Oh Father...

Father!
Gonna take your son out tonight!
Gonna show him my world!
Oh Father!!!!

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

 

Depending on the particular games in question, you may have a valid cause for concern... two University of Michigan researchers concluded in 2007 that violent media, including television, film and video games, pose a significant public health threat...

Well, at least he did mention something else beside video game.  I don't agree with him 100%, but only people that don't get their ass off the couch and go social, then we have a problem.

Furthermore, some video games add unhealthy sexual themes and profanity to the mix, not to mention that the American Medical Association estimates one in 10 video gamers is addicted.

Well, I think parents are smart enough to know which game is suitable and which is not.  For game addict, 10% is laughable.  It's not a pandemic, so chill out on that.

Of course, not all video games are problematic. Certain sports games, for instance, can be loads of fun. Some can even be educational...

See video game are not all "work of the devil".  Sport games, puzzle games, and a lot of other non-violent game are fun.

I’d advise you to put clear limits on the amount of time your son will be allowed to spend with video games... Insist he avoid the troublesome ones altogether...

Best advice I've ever heard.

 

mikedo2007

 

 

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

To reiterate an earlier comment of mine, read the entire article. Relevant part here:

"In Phoenix, two surgeons at Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center found resident physicians’ surgical skills improved markedly after playing Wii’s motion- controlled games an hour before conducting a virtual surgery. Elsewhere, a longtime fan of the Xbox 360 title “America’s Army” saved lives at the site of a serious car wreck by employing the techniques he learned from the game’s virtual combat medic training."

I believe he just mentioned an FPS, in a positive light. Oh, wow, he may even know that it IS a combat game. GP should really put the rest of the article in there so some of these people stop running their mouths.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

While citing those studies did make me think he sampled the forbidden tea blend, that is surprisingly moderate compared to most of what we hear.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I think these types of religious leaders need to back off making any statements about violent media until they adress things like the shootings of abortion doctors or museum guards...

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

 Religious extremists are notable because they contradict what their religion mandates.

People will always be violent retards, religions are not excempt from these people. They just get a pass because it's been so prevailant in our society and so their 'their cause is just'


Anyway the point I'm getting at is that religions don't support the murder of those who have different beliefs. And using people who do that is like saying all Black people bite everyones ears off because Mike Tyson did it.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Or all white people bite the heads off of bats because Ozzy did it!

Yummy, chewy, bats...

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

While I agree that his response is more respectful than previous responses from others in his positions, I still object to the title. The title alone makes me feel uneasy because it sounds like he's playing God. Granted compared to other responses from church leaders this guy at least seem to be sane. But the title some games are ok, others are not. Why do people, esp church leaders think they're God that they can decide and label for EVER PERSON ON THE PLANET what is appropriate and what isn't. Everyone has a different opinion some are more common than others but in the end the debate anout what is offensive and what isn't is limited to everyone's personal opinion.

 

For those who are offedned by everything they see and hear....The most effective form of protest is: DON'T WATCH! DON'T LISTEN! And most importantly.....DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

"With free speech either all of it is ok or none of it is." Kyle Broflovski

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

While you have an interesting point, I don't think this guy is "Playing God" in any sense. If I were to suggest to my friend that he needs to, say, tie his shoe, or move over to another lane while driving, am I now "Playing God"? No, I'm just giving advice, which, just like this guy, can be ignored. Contrary to popular belief, people don't listen to preachers and leaders like this guy as much as people think they do.

If you really have a beef with this, take it up with the ESRB. They're the ones "Playing God"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Well either the ESRB  'played god' or the government would have. And f**k knows the government playing god NEVER ends well.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Good point.

It also ends badly when the government starts playing "School".

Maybe government officials just aren't good at games in general...

That would explain Australia...

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I agree.

Australian Officials never had the OFLC ratings right.

1. They left out the R18+ rating for Videogames.

2. They gave what would be a T rating in America an M rating in Australia. And the MA15+ is higher than an M rating. I would have just changed the M rating into a T rating for Teens and MA15+ to just M16+ to make sure there was no confusion in the sexual content with some MA15+ movies.

G for General and PG for Parental Guidance was more leading towards the American movie ratings. And they are more easier for parents to understand.

But when it comes to Videogames, I would perfer the ESRB because of the difference between a Teen rating and an M17+ rating considering that American Market can't have AO18+ rated games.

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

While he obviously still has some biased or slanted views on games this is a far more balanced opinion compared to what we've heard from similar groups before.  The sheer fact that he admits that at least some games can be beneficial is a step in the right direction.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Honestly, as long as Dobson's not calling for government censorship, I could care less what he says.


If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Ever notice how sports always seem to get a free pass?

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

He opens with flawed studies that support his biased view, and calls every game that isn't a sports game or educational 'problematic', but because he made a throwaway remark right at the very end that parents should limit their SONS (why not 'childs', sexist much?) time on consoles he gets a free tongue-polishing for his ass from a lot of you? What the hell is wrong with you people?

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

What I realy think is the problem here is that we've gotton too used to assholes who slaughter games just for being games.

Finally someone comes a long with a less biased view, one that encourages parental involvement, and we attack him like he's JT. This is an argument I've heard from major games magazines (I still have the "Sympathy for the Devil" article from an old back issue of Game Informer). If this were coming from a major industry leader, we'd all be on his side.

If all video games are perfectly harmless, why have ratings? 

So you tell me: who's really being biased?

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Games have ratings because in the midst of the gaming nasties controversy in the early 90s brought about by games like Night Trap and Mortal Kombat, things reached a point where the U.S. government said 'Either you rate your games or we will'.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I'd prefer government censorship than this toadying self censorship that the industry provides.  At least if we had government censorship we wouldn't have folks being able to argue that it's not censorship.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

There is no 'we' unless the ESRB started applying in Europe during the last couple of hours. I was juust filling him in on why the ESRB exists to begin with.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

(Starts slow applause)

I read that article, BTW.

But on topic, what this Dobson guy is saying is actually pretty good. He's not so blinded as to ask for banning games in general, or even specific games. He tells parents to have their kids avoid troublesome games, which, actually, is reasonable, considering these troublesome games are almost certainly the ones rated M or higher. And once you're old enough to play a Rated M game by ESRB standards, you should be out of the house!

Really, though, whether you agree or disagree with this guy, he isn't really hurting anything, or even attempting to (JT, I'm looking at you), so there's no reason to act so hostile, people.

 

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Take a deep breath and read the entire article again. 

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

He opens with flawed studies that support his biased view, and calls every game that isn't a sports game or educational 'problematic', and makes a throwaway remark right at the very end that parents should limit their SONS (why not 'childs', sexist much?) time on consoles.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

*sigh*

 

1.  The child in question was probably a boy.

2.  He might not have known that the studies were flawed.

3.  He didn't diss games, but said that some weren't that good for young children.

4.  Take a deep breath, you're over reacting.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

1. Agreed.

2. Ignorance is not an excuse.

3. He said games are 'problematic' making an exception only for Sports games and conceding that a few are educational.

4. Better than kissing his ass/Giving him a free ride over the other things he said because he made a throw-away remark about common sense right at the very end.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

2. Many GP readers do it all the time. I can't be bothered to look, but what did you say on initial reports of EA's fake protest?

3.He said some games are problematic, instead of referring to the ones he likely was thinking of (GTA, manhunt, bully, etc),

 

4.Read the rest of the article before you turn into a raging, drooling, screaming critic.

"In Phoenix, two surgeons at Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center found resident physicians’ surgical skills improved markedly after playing Wii’s motion- controlled games an hour before conducting a virtual surgery. Elsewhere, a longtime fan of the Xbox 360 title “America’s Army” saved lives at the site of a serious car wreck by employing the techniques he learned from the game’s virtual combat medic training."

OHWOW, AN FPS.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

2. I said it was probably faked by EA due to the lack of any stated church the group was supposed to represent. And I was right. Again. We may need a bigger server to accomodate my ego.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

So you are paying attention then? How could you miss the mention of a pretty violent FPS in this article, then?

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Because I'm in it for the lulz.

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

1.  I'm glad we can agree on something.

2.  Agreed, but until people learn to stop being sheep, there's nothing we can really do about it.

3.  He used Sports game as an example, and then said that some games could be educational, but in no way said that those games were the only kind.

4.  Nobodies really doing this, and I would be against it if they did, but we shouldn't attack someone just because they say something that's a little negative, while also including positive statements.  We're not PETA.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Ok, we're beating the dead horse badly, we already know what Dobson said(Dobson, IMO is a moron who used completly biased studies(but, we do not need start a flame war over this))

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

I think Dobson has squeesed a Home run(for GP/ECA) over parenting advice(concerning media in general)

then again I already know that some parts of the bible are violent

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Other than being mislead by some flawed studies, I think this guy has the right idea.  I just wish that the studies weren't conducted for the reasons they were (to get your name more known on a controversial subject most of the time), and that the findings weren't so greatly exaggerated.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Not like... oh, I don't know... THE BIBLE  which has no perverted sexual content (like women having sex with their father or the same father offering those girls to a crowd for raping) or violence (like massive wars of genocide discussed in explicit detail down to woman being ripped open to make sure to kill their fetii). But because it doesn't have "shit" or "fuck" in it, it's okay.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Basically, whether the Bible is true or not, is a discussion for another time, and has little to do with this article. I understand how most people see it as hypocritical to begin with. While I, of course, disagree, that's for another day.

And while I know you guys aren't going to change your mind, I have to get it off my chest: you do realize how dispicable those incidents you mentioned are portrayed (and that last one's Shakespeare's Henry V, not the Bible). The Bible mentions these to show how horrible they are.


Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Alright, now excuse me for a minute, cause I've got to put my angry hat on here.

Firstly, every time somebody brings this crap up, it's always an example from the old testament. Well, guess what? To Christians, the Old Testament really means next to nothing by itself. Not to discount the fact that it has the 10 commandments, and a lot of good stories, but the foundation of the Bible lies in the New Testament, with Jesus and all of that. The Old Testament is supposed to be taken in context with the New. Yes, there are plenty of wicked, naughty things to be found in the bible, but, at the end of the day, a couple hundred pages later, Jesus forgives us all from the bleak, rather depressing acts found in the Old Testament.

Secondly, speaking of context, I find that these stories are being taken out of line, even by themselves. Some of you people are making it sounds as if the Bilble promotes this stuff, which is completely untrue.

Thirdly, Vake is right, that last example isn't even biblical, unless my mind is faltering. Seriously, if it's an honest mistake, I can forgive that, but I doubt it was.

Lastly, this is not an attack against non-Christians, or KaylaKaze, or anybody. I'm just saying, if you're going to try and bring up a religion debate at a completely random time, at least try to come up with a valid argument. If you're going to insult an entire group of people, at least do it right.

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Christianity sucks and you suck, smell like doo-doo and have a phlegm mind for defending it.

 

Did I do it right?

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Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

There we go! That's the right way to do it!

Now if only we could get politicians to start debating this way... then the elections would be much more interesting...

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Politicians do debate this way, just by third party. LOL

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Heh, the House of Commons here in the UK is pretty much like that already!

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*sigh*  Attacking something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion at hand isn't a good practice.  It isn't like he's holding the bible up and telling the parents that the child's time would be better spent reading it.  He even complemented games in general, but warned the parents that it wasn't to good to let your child play overly violent games (the parents choice, but I agree that children of certain ages shouldn't be allowed to play certain games.  Games aren't Trix).  In fact other then quoting some flawed studies (that he probably didn't know were flawed to begin with) he's really done nothing to deserve our ire.  We shouldn't just attack anyone that says something about games that can be taken negative, we're better then the church/goverment/psycho extremists, aren't we?  I know it really gets to a person when their hobby is slandered by everyone looking to get their names in a newspaper, but let us not attack everyone with a different view.

On the note of the Bible, I think it's a great read.  I also think that there is much truth in it, about as much as in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and I also believe that there is just as much ficition between the two also.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

"the parents choice, but I agree that children of certain ages shouldn't be allowed to read certain chapters of the Bible." Added that for ya. You say the Bible is a great read, but don't try and justify how the violence/sexuality in that is any better/worse for kids than violent/sexual video games.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Evangelical Leader: Some Games Are Okay. Others, Not So ...

Actually, some chapters of the Bible are often recommended to be omitted from study until one is a later age. For example, Song of Solomon, which can get pretty explicit as far as sex. I probably won't let my child read the Old Testament at all until he/she is 13. Same with "T" rated games. And forget about "M" until 16.

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 He probably likes Cooking Mama cause it shows a woman in her proper place.

 
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SleakerTo the point that it seems they have completely lost what it means to be for-community, and having transparency. Along with dumping restrictive EULA's onto people.08/21/2014 - 8:53am
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SleakerMinecraft community exploded again today. Apparently Mojang owns all of Bukkit, and never put out a statement saying as such 2 years ago when they acquired them. I have to say, their transition from indie has been rough.08/21/2014 - 8:52am
james_fudgeThere aren't many left in America08/21/2014 - 1:50am
MechaTama31I sure have. Dorky's barcade in Tacoma, WA.08/20/2014 - 5:56pm
Matthew WilsonI have not been to a arcade in years. I know arcades are still big in japan.08/20/2014 - 5:38pm
Sleaker@AE - Ah no it's called GroundKontrol - I was just referring to it as a Bar-Arcade.08/20/2014 - 4:39pm
 

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