G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

June 18, 2009 -

The unexpected gamer protest against Valve's E3 announcement of Left 4 Dead 2 has left more than a few obervers perplexed.

Add the name of G4's Adam Sessler to the list of those who don't get what the whining is about. On his latest Soapbox segment Sessler takes the L4D2 protesters to task:

We're going down that path again - this shocking, amazing sense of entitlement that always manifests itself in the gaming community... Valve does not have a habit of screwing people and if there was ever a developer out there I would just kind of give them the benefit of the doubt...

 

They don't owe you anything. It's a business... Where were you brought up and in what environment where you hugged so overwhelmingly that you feel that you need to be served as the only person that needs to be considered when other people are making commercial properties? It really is a little bit on the naive side and slightly embarrassing... It's kind of juvenile... The Internet, when it comes to games, can be such a nation of whiners...

Via: Gaming Today


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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

IT WAS FINISHED!  YOU ARE JUST TOO MUCH OF A WHINY BITCH TO THINK SO!!!

This is the attitude that the entitlement people have, that nothing is good enough.

 

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Really?  You really call that finished?  Honestly?

I mean maybe if you've never played any other game at all ever at any point in your life you might be able to make that assumption.

But four mini-episodes.  A very small assortment of weapons and then the same weapons but slightly upgraded, and a laughable versus mode.  Yeah.  I remember saying a few days after I bought the game "This game is going to die on it's feet it if doesn't get some content and soon.  No one is going to want to look at Mercy fucking hostpital ten thousand fucking times."

And it looks like I am psychic.

But it seems on this board there is the attitude of "shut up and submit to your overloards" that people have.  I am pretty sure that even if Valve shipped out completely blank disks that there would be those of you out there who would not only bend over and take it, but become pissed off at us who didn't bend over and take it.  Such as is happening now.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Judging by your infantile banter, I'm willing to bet I've played games longer than you've been alive.  Nobody is asking anyone to submit.  I'm saying that maybe you should act like you appreciate what was given to you.

Here's what I don't get about DLC.  If you want it right away, why not have it added to the game initially?  You say you want DLC and you want it right away.  You're an idiot.  I'm willing to bet that in three days you didn't even finish the game.

Your comment being psychic is laughable.  If you were right, there would be a much larger outcry.

You, just like every other anti-establishment, anti-corporate person in this country, seem to think that because you're a minority, you deserve to be treated as an equal.  Well, that's not how things work in the real world.  Get used to it, so that when you graduate high school and get a job, you won't be so disappointed about the fact that NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

"Judging by your infantile banter, I'm willing to bet I've played games longer than you've been alive."

Doubtful.  That is unless you owned some pre-atari system.

"Nobody is asking anyone to submit.  I'm saying that maybe you should act like you appreciate what was given to you."

Appreciate?  What the fuck?  That has to be the absolute most fucking ridiculous thing that you have said.  How the fuck can I appreciate that baren fucking contentless theft of my money?  Appreciate my ass.

"Here's what I don't get about DLC.  If you want it right away, why not have it added to the game initially?  You say you want DLC and you want it right away.  You're an idiot.  I'm willing to bet that in three days you didn't even finish the game."

If you made that bet you would be right.  I finished with everything the game had to offer in about two days.

"Your comment being psychic is laughable.  If you were right, there would be a much larger outcry."

Or maybe by this point in time everyone's expectations have plummeted so far that they can accept this barren game.

"You, just like every other anti-establishment, anti-corporate person in this country, seem to think that because you're a minority, you deserve to be treated as an equal.  Well, that's not how things work in the real world.  Get used to it, so that when you graduate high school and get a job, you won't be so disappointed about the fact that NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK."

Hi, class of '99 here.  Pleased to meet you.  And you like very corporate whore thinks that we should just settle for everything placed in front of us.  Not fucking likely junior.

 

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I'm not saying settle.  I'm saying that unless you make your own fucking games, stop acting like you own every other game company on this planet.  If you don't like what valve has to offer, make your own and shut the fuck up.

And yes I've played some pre-Atari shit.  Class of 99?  Say hi to class of 79, fuckface.  Maybe you should look at how you were raised, like Sessler said, because your parents obviously made you think you were the center of the universe.  I bet they bought you this game, too, along with the computer you play it on.  Even moreso, I bet you live in your mom's basement playing it, or jerking off, or whatever the fuck social leeches like you do in your parent's house because you can't make it in the real world.  Get out of your parents house, lose your virginity and do something constructive.  Your generation elected the man that is running our country into debt and turning us into an international joke.  You people though Bush was bad, but nobody had the guts to say "Death to America" while they were building a nuclear arsenal.  Guess what?  The person you elected has our enemies doing exactly that.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

"I'm not saying settle."

The fuck you aren't.  You can't bear the thought that some people can't stand this barren fucking demo of a game.  Really though, talking to someone like you is an utter waste of time.  Just keep smiling fucker while you get screwed.  Just go about your buisiness like no company could ever put out anything other than perfection and drink your kool-aid twit.

Now piss off waste of time.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If you can't stand the game, don't play it.  Don't buy the sequel.  But don't think that because you don't like this game, which puts you in a very, very small minority, that Valve needs to do something for you.  Accepting that is not in any way submitting.  You're just so much of a spoilt bitch you can't get that through your skull.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I don't play it, I've not played it in months.  There is no reason TO play it.  I don't plan on buying the sequel because there is every possibility of repeating their mistake that they made with the original having less content than a Popcap game.  But I don't expect you to understand any of this.  You are a submissive bitch who will accept anything placed before him without question.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Please allow me to explain it.  I will use simple words so even the stupidest person here can understand.  When you bought Left 4 Dead, you recieved Left 4 Dead.  If you did not recieve Left 4 Dead, as in a box that said Left 4 Dead with a disc inside it that said Left 4 Dead, or a digital download called Left 4 Dead, then Valve ripped you off.  Otherwise, you got what you paid for -- Left 4 Dead.

If you purchased Left 4 Dead because of a promise of downloadable content, then you do not deserve the money you spent, much less the game you bought.  You spent 60 dollars for Left 4 Dead, and nothing more.  Anything not included in the Left 4 Dead box or on the Left 4 Dead disc is not what you bought.  Believeing you were supposed to get more doesn't mean you were supposed to get more.

If you were unhappy with Left 4 Dead, then sell the game and get some of your money back.  Do not buy the sequel.  However, don't believe that Valve owes you anything.  You purchased Left 4 Dead and got Left 4 Dead.  When you purchased Left 4 Dead, it didn't include a notice anywhere that Valve promised to give you x-amount of DLC by y-date.  It included Left 4 Dead and only Left 4 Dead.  As I have stated, Left 4 Dead was a box that said Left 4 Dead with a disc inside that said Left 4 Dead, or a digital download that said Left 4 Dead.  Nothing more.

Valve, to my knowledge, has not said that they will not be releasing any more DLC for Left 4 Dead.  They said that they are making Left 4 Dead 2.  To my knowledge, this was the extent of their announcement.  They didn't say that Left 4 Dead was being shelved.  They didn't say that Left 4 Dead would be unsupported from this point on.  I firmly believe that it will continue to be supported for years to come, because, as I said, the original Counterstrike is still being supported by Valve.

Finally, I find it funny that people rip on Adam Sessler for saying what he says, but are willing to totally ignore his fact-based points.  Specifically, that, based on Valve's track record, their fans should be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I find it hilarious that nobody has touched on that little nugget.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

L4D in, it's past and present state, is presently one of the biggest ripoffs the gaming world has ever seen.  Pretty much by your second playthrough of a campaign the fun has all but dissapated.  So even if you play one campaign per day it will still be little over two weeks before you are completely sick of the game.

If on the off chance that anyone from Valve is reading this.  I have an extra $100 sitting in my bank account.  Give me two more campaigns and it's yours.  You DO like money don't you?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Even if your particular experience was the rule versus the exception, I will direct you to Star Wars - The Force Unleashed.  This game was only good for maybe two playthroughs.  The PS3/360 versions got some DLC, but that only gave it stuff that the Wii version had.  It had an average playthrough time of 13 hours (8 hours for the Wii).

I will direct you to any Zelda game ever made.  I can beat any Zelda game in three days of my spare time.  I've done it with every Zelda game ever made.  Trust me, it gets old.

Also, you haven't commented on my point that Valve should get the benefit of the doubt.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I never give any company the benefit of the doubt.  Valve is no exception.  Is your point now officially commented on?

Can you honestly say when you bought the game and saw the four piddly campaigns sitting there you didn't for a second think "this is it?"

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

With how fun the game is, no I didn't.  I'm still playing this game, and still having fun with it.  Just because you think you need DLC to enjoy this game, doesn't mean that it's necessary for everyone.

And again, who said they won't be supporting this game anymore?  When did valve release this to the press?  Oh, wait, NOBODY SAID THAT!  Just a bunch of whiny bitch children who are used to getting everything they've ever whined about THINKING that if they whine loud enough, they'll get their way.  Well, Valve isn't your crappy parents.  They will put out Left 4 Dead 2 whether you like it or not, and if you don't buy it, it won't matter to them because there aren't enough of you to make a difference.  They, being Valve, will most likely continue to support Left 4 Dead, not because you whined, but because that's what they do.  When Counter Strike 2 came out, did they stop supporting Counter Strike?  No, they didn't.  So your whining is not based on anything but your own stupidity.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

What are you basing on that they will continue to support L4D, your "benefit of the doubt"?  Sorry, not buying it.  And for that matter to continue to support something don't you have to start to support it?  And as far as your parents comment goes, I don't recall offering my parents money to get what I want.  If you did then you had a twisted fucking childhood.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I guess Whiney Bitch can't read.  I'm basing my "Benefit of the Doubt" on the fact that Valve has supported - and continues to support - every game they have ever made (I've brought up the original Counter Strike about a million times).  There is absolutely no reason to believe that they won't continue.  They didn't stop supporting Counter Strike on the release of Counter Strike 2, so why do people think that they will stop supporting Left 4 Dead with the release of Left 4 Dead 2?  You haven't answered that.  As far as "starting to support" it, they released some DLC.  I'm sorry if you didn't think it was good enough.

The parents thing, what I said what that these children whine to their parents until their parents give them what they want.  I didn't say anything about giving parents money.

Stupid bitch.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

" I'm basing my "Benefit of the Doubt" on the fact that Valve has supported - and continues to support - every game they have ever made (I've brought up the original Counter Strike about a million times)."

Sorry, not good enough.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

So, you are mad at valve because they are doing something apparently against their reputation, but you claim their reputation doesn't garner any good graces with you?  What do you want?  You can't have it both ways.  Either their reputation garners benefit of the doubt, or they can violate their rep all they want.  You can't hold their rep against them while at the same time not holding them to it.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

No, what I'm saying is that I don't give a flying fuck about their reputation.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Then stop pretending they owe you something.

 

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--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I've never played Left 4 Dead nor have I followed it but from what I hear valve promised DLC for L4D1 which they didn't deliver and these people think that L4D2 marks the official abandonment of L4D DLC.

Assuming valve promised them the DLC I sympathize but if they didn't then I see no point to this.

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

They did get some DLC.  It wasn't the DLC that these whiny bitches want.  That's why they are complaining.

 

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

no.. it wasnt the DLC PROMISED by gabe

y'know, the new campaigns weapons and special infected that were promised. Y.know, like the new campaigns, weapons and special infected that were just announced as the selling point of L4D2.

you are TOTALLY Missing the point.

 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Where in that interview did Gabe say a date as to when this all was supposed to come out?  I didn't see that.

The fact of the matter is, it is entireley possible that they are working on this "promised" content right now, and have been for some time.  If they are, I hope they stop, just because of you traitorous bitches.  And should this come to pass, I hope they announce that it's because of you traitorous bitches.

 

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

'traitorous bitches'

 

.. wow.. its only game...

maybe you should take a chill pill.  How am i a 'traitorous bitch' just for saying that i understand where the complainers are coming from. And go on the Left for dead 2 forums. Tonnes of people have linked to numerous articles / statments / interviews where new content (specifically campaigns weapons special infected etc) were promised for left 4 dead 1 , pre release, numerous times.

Ppl are simply annoyed that valve have moved onto an entirely new full price game adding all the features that were expected for L4D1. Angry because a) if l4d1 does get these additions, then L4D2 then wont currently offer anything unique from what has been annouced so far. Hell it even uses the same engine, and looks VERY much like an expansion pack rather than a new game. So people are concerned about the sequel. And b) because  its taken so long to get the content out there (even if it came out tomorrow! which it wont, since they have already said they are focusing on L4D2 currently. And i can understand that.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Nobody knows that valve has "moved on."  Has anyone said they are not going to support L4D anymore?  No.  You all just assume they will.  You are among the people that hailed Valve as a champion of the regular gamer because of all of the things they did for us.  Now, that they made a sequel sooner than you would like, they are the scourge of the industry.  That is being traitorous.  The point is apt.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

''Nobody knows that valve has "moved on."  Has anyone said they are not going to support L4D anymore?  No.  You all just assume they will.''

really? I Do?

I think if you read what i wrote i said ''Angry because a) if l4d1 does get these additions, then ''. Doesnt look like i was saying that they werent going to support L4D anymore. In fact i never said that atall. I then said ''And b) because  its taken so long to get the content out there (even if it came out tomorrow''. Hmm in fact that again doesnt say that valve wont support L4D. So stop making stuff up, putting words in my mouth and taking things to illogical extremes.

 

''Now, that they made a sequel sooner than you would like, they are the scourge of the industry.  That is being traitorous.  The point is apt.''

Again.. you really need to stop putting words in my mouth and completely blowing things out of proportion. Have you been drinking a load of coffee or something? You seem easily excitable. I believe what i said was ''Ppl are simply annoyed ... And i can understand that". So in your strange world where things can only exists in utter extremes, showing ANY understanding of the reasoning behind the complaints means im calling valve the 'scourge of the industry'?

Im done debating with you. You arent actually reading what i write, your taking it, putting it through a process where you replace everything i say with a crazy extreme, and then arguing against the extreme views you yourself (not me!) put forward. Have fun sitting in the corner arguing with yourself.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You don't get it.  This is an issue of extremes.  I'm calling for someone to look in the middle.  The people angry at Valve all think that Valve owes them something.  They assume that, because of the announcement of L4D2, the game that they bought (and some claim to not even like) is done for.  I'm merely asking them for evidence of such, and NOBODY HAS PRODUCED.

Also, the above comments weren't merely directed at you.  They were directed at everyone on this board who seem to believe that because they bought something they are supposed to be waited on hand and foot by Valve, the company that has done more for it's consumer base than any other gaming company combined.

One game.  They make one game, and a very small minority gets in an uproar.  They think that because they yell very loud they'll get what they want.  Well, I'm trying to point out that they aren't infants anymore, Valve aren't their parents, and as much as they would try to deny it, they don't have shitty diapers.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

The Internet, when it comes to games, can be such a nation of whiners...

Well, if I want to quote Marc Ecko on anything, it's that the gamer community has the worst divas.

GameSnooper

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Go Adam!

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

They're a console development company now. Their customers are cash cows to them, nothing more.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

People are confusing "Valve can do what it wants" with "What people expect from Valve".

Look at any of their games, long lasting, constant support, plus interviews when L4D came out saying it would get the TF2 treatment, it didnt, so people are complaining. This is not rocket science, this is marketing, when you say something, or you have a reputation for something, you are building an EXPECTATION, when you violate that expectation, people will be angry, it doesnt matter whether you HAVE to do it, and guess what, with L4D people GAVE Valve the benefit of doubt, and are now complaining that their trust is violated.

Interviews with Chet/Gave have stated that they wish to release new campaigns, new weapons, new zombies for L4D when it came out... it never came, and lo and behold, L4D2 comes out with what people expected for L4D1.

Also hilarious, people saying "If you don't like it, dont buy it", well guess what, they arent, and they are just making their displeasure known, you cant say Valve can do this, because if you look at anything else released by Valve, you would know this isnt the kind of behavior expected from them, and THAT is what is important.

Edit: Nobody even try to point out "Survivor" or "New Versus" as Versus was available in all 4 maps anyways, all Valve did was change a few climb points before releasing the remaining 2 maps, and Survivor would have been created within a week (and people were already doing it with cheat codes) of the release of the SDK.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Who says they won't continue to support L4D?  Somebody, please post a link to the page where someone at Valve distinctly says they will stop any support whatsoever for L4D when L4D2 comes out.

Also, because of the fact that Valve has a history of not doing things like this allows me to give them the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.  This is like saying that if Mother Theresea forgot to pray once, she is immediately going to hell.

 

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Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

My point of view on the whole thing is that valve is shooting themselves in the foot.

They DID promise to update the original L4D.

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GameSpy: You said that the game is split into four campaigns. Are you planning for future downloadable campaigns?

Gabe Newell: Very much so. We're right in this transition. In the pre-Internet world you can only think of what you were offering customers as a box. You put everything into it, and thought of it as a one-time release. Now, customers want an ongoing entertainment service. So with Team Fortress 2, our product that's furthest along in terms of doing that, we found that the best way to get new customers was to get excited existing customers.

And the best way to do that was to release new maps, new weapons, add achievements. They're really interested in the characters and the story behind them. Every four to six weeks we've released movies about the characters. We just released a movie about the sandwich, which actually people have really enjoyed. We still need to release these boxes, these point releases, but as we continue to release new campaigns, new characters, new weapons, and tell stories about these characters, that's the best way to grow the community.

A lot of the value of a game like Left 4 Dead or a game like Team Fortress 2 is the community around it, since those are the people that you get to play with, and that's where you're deriving a lot of your enjoyment. So we're taking the same approach that we've taken with Team Fortress 2, and doing that for Left 4 Dead.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/turtle-rock-project/902345p3.html

 

Now the only new campaigns I have seen are a single map that is smaller than any one section of the original campaigns and 2 campaigns re-released for VS mode.

 

Now I don’t think the 2nd game should not be released, I don’t even think it should be free. What I do believe is that it should be integrated into the original L4D as paid content at around 25-30$.

 

This prevents the community from being split into 2 different games and still lets valve make money. Unlike Valve's other sequel’s there is NO engine change from L4D to L4D2.

 

They are irritating their fan base and splitting the community for this game, and both of those things are a bad idea when you are trying to sell something.

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Yeah but they've said they WILL come up with the content described in that interview.  

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Totally agree with Adam, although...

 

L4D2 Valve? Way too soon ; give us more free content on the already small L4D.

A fucking boycott group? Way too fucking late... L4D is out, and it has a very profitable name already.

 

 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

I think there's something that hasn't been touched on... and that's the "cry-wolf" factor. 

It's well known that gamers have an image that they tend to complain about everything.  (Try being a developer, it's nuts.)

I really don't see the value in complaining about something like this.  Or (especially) the Diablo colour thing.  It's sad that that's they image that we've got, and it significantly devalues our opinions when there's something real to complain about.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Bbbbzzzzzzz, wrong Sessler.  We are entitled to a quality product, that is why we give them the honor of our hard earned money.  But these companies are not entitled to our money.  These uppity companies and their talking heads need to realize just who supports who.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Bzzzzz, wrong Erik.  You're not 'entitled' to anything, save a functioning product.  And by functioning, I mean that it spins in the disc tray, can be read, and can be played.  If you were 'entitled' a 'quality product', then the Wii would have almost NO lineup to speak of.  Your thought process is astonishingly self-centered.  'Honor'ed with your money indeed.

And Left 4 Dead was, absolutely, a quality product.  Few bugs, few glitches, fun game, and fantastic multiplayer experience 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

"You're not 'entitled' to anything, save a functioning product.  And by functioning, I mean that it spins in the disc tray, can be read, and can be played."

Ask Phillips how well that worked out for them.  The CD-i had discs and they did spin.  Sorry skippy, try again.  It comes down to the fact of the matter that these companies remain in buisiness on our whims.  Sessler, and frankly you, trying to turn around the customer/producer dynamic frankly makes me sick.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You know who we should really ask?  All the people who've made mediocre games that keep selling. 

By the by, the CD-i sold 570,000 units at an initial price of a cool grand, so I don't think they lost out on that.

Like I said, you're not 'entitled' to anything.  If you buy a game and don't like it, that's your problem.  If you don't get what you expected, that's your problem.  What YOU are saying is childish and idiotic. 

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

No, expecting that people should mindlessly slavish their money on these companies like drones is idiotic.  People have every right to expect a quality product.  The reason that fools like Sessler aren't sucking cock on some street corner is due to our money.

But no, really, if you wish to be some corporate sock puppet then by all means do so.  But don't expect the rest of us to shit our money away.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

The stupid, it burns.

I'm going to try to respond to you civilly at this point, we'll see how it goes.

So, your first sentence attempts to say that Valve are idiots for making a sequel. Alright, fair enough. I guess we'll see if that's true when Valve releases it. But man, your appeal to passion and emotions is pretty obvious when you use terms like 'mindlessly slavish' and 'drones'. I'll wager that they are not idiots at all and they will probably make massive amounts of money from this sequel. If the 'drones' go out and 'mindlessly slavish' their money on what is, according to you, a non-quality product by Valve, who is the idiot here?

"People have every right to expect a quality product."

May I point you at a little thing called Caveat Emptor? There have been some modifications to this rule yes, but generally the onus of making sure that you are not buying a pile of burning shit is on the customer.

And seriously, what is up with your comments regarding Austin expecting you to shit your money away? I don't remember him saying that you should absolutely go out and buy this game. Vote with your money and don't buy it if you don't think it's quality.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

If you Austin and Sessler are happy with mindlessly dishing out your money for substandard products then have at it.  I won't try to stop you.  But I on the other hand will recall that these people exist on our good graces, and not the other way around.

Really, you all make it sound like we should just shut up and part ways with our money.  I'm sorry to inform you and valve that I will not be buying L4D2.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Do you believe that the original L4D isn't worth the money you paid?  If you don't, sell it and shut up.  If you do, then your post makes no sense, because that means that L4D isn't a substandard product as you claim.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

It could become a quality game if it ever gets out of the eternal beta stage it seems to be stuck in.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

You seem to be the only person on the entire planet that doesn't enjoy this game.  So, I suggest you take my advice and sell it.  At least then you'll get some of your money back, and you'll no longer have a reason to whine.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

No, really there are many other people as well.  I'm pretty sure that Sessler made mention of them, you know in the entire fucking point of this story.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

No.  He wasn't talking about people who didn't like L4D.  He was talking about people who don't want Valve to make L4D2.  If people don't like L4D, they won't give two shits for L4D2.  Why would they?  They didn't like the first, so why would they care about the second?

I guess my question is, if you think the first one sucks so bad, why do you even care about valve making a sequel?

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Yes, people don't want L4D2 to be made, because they are still waiting on Valve to deliver a complete game in regards to the original L4D.  So now they want to milk us for MORE money on a sequel when they can't even deliver on the original.

Now if you paid someone up front the money to mow your entire yard but they only mow half and THEN come after you for more money to clean your gutters would you give them the money?  No of course not.

Valve must really think we are some stupid whores.  I uninstalled L4D the day that this bullshit was announced at E3.  Very bad form Valve.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: G4's Adam Sessler Slams Left 4 Dead 2 Whiners

Left 4 Dead is, in every way, a complete game. IT HAS:

A complete campaign mode, comprised of 4 chapters and 20 total missions (more than most FPSs these days). 

A character roster, complete and with interesting characters, the right size team for the levels, and interesting in-game interaction in the form of quips and jokes.

A beautifully modeled world.

A slew of enemies, including 5 awesome 'boss' style enemies (more than most FPSs games have). 

A robust online experince allowing for co-op, versus, and survival modes, all of which are good for DAYS of fun.

A good selection of weapons to satisfy all the basic weapon classes; shotgun, rifle , mgun (the Ar15 might as well be a machine gun for this game), and the back up pistols.  Also, Pipe Bombs and Molotov Cocktails. 

Oh yeah, this game feels like it's 'stuck in beta mode'.  Half-wit.

Here's a better comparison for you, jackass.

If you paid someone to mow your front lawn, and then you bitched when they didn't mow your back lawn for free, do you deserve the free mowing on your back lawn?  Of course not.  They did the full job, you just want extra for free because, as I've mentioned, you're spoiled.  By the way, nowhere did they say they might not make more DLC for L4D, so your point becomes even less and less relevant.

Also, if Valve thinks you're stupid, they're right on the money.

 
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