America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, Moves HQ

June 20, 2009 -

The launch of America's Army 3.0 this week didn't go smoothly thanks to problems with the game's authentication servers. Laying off the entire development team probably didn't help the situation.

As Shacknews reports, the Emeryville, California-based studio was closed with future work on the series transferred to Alabama's Redstone Arsenal.

A post on the official AA message board (since removed) by an anonymous team member was captured by VE3D and shows the apparent level of frustation felt by developers.

Imagine trying to build a game with an impossible deadline, steadily declining workforce (via firings), A hiring freeze, constantly being fed misinformation, having the "higher ups" completely ignore your weekly plea for either A) more time, or B) more manpower, working a ton of unpaid overtime, pouring your heart and soul into a misadventure only to have the uniformed community scoff at you for uncontrollable variables...

 

In fact, the bureaucracy is so convoluted that you can't even begin to imagine the breadth and scope of B.S. the devs had to deal with daily... imagine being the subcontractor of a subcontractor of a contractor to the government...

 

I'm not sure why i've felt compelled to write this when I'm sure it will get deleted, or even scoffed at further, but I hoped to let the fans know that we tried as hard as we could and are very bummed to see the fruits of our labor shoved at gamers like a heaping pile of crap.

GP: Interestingly, there is a launch event for America's Army 3.0 today at the Army Experience Center in Philadelphia, which was the site of a large-scale protest against the game in May.

Partially Via: Blue's News


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Ya know the really terrible thing about AA3?  There were two other games with most of the bugs eventually ironed out to base it upon...  It's not like you needed to reinvent the server browser code, for example, or do massive changes to how the game authenticates, and yet both of those aspects just don't work well...  Finding only 2 servers out of 100+ possible repeatedly, and having the game drop out 10 mins later kicking everyone out, for example...

Or mebbe it's just the authentic 'army' experience.  Good soldiers but the equipment supplied = shit?

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

actually I have one of the launch 360's and it hasnt red ringed on me yet Im told this makes me lucky?

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

No, it's more common for it to work than what people make it out to be, but take it from me, I'd rather take no chances.

...and I have a few circumstances in which I had seen troublesome hardware straight from the box. No matter if I/someone took special precautions in protecting them.

So good for you.

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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

2-4 out of ten is almsot 50/50 still there are more happy users of the 360 but sheesh a 3rd are bad and thats enough to amke me say meh.....mabye when its 100$....

 


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

2-4 out of ten is nowhere near 50/50.  It's closer to a third.  Even so, from what I've read the real rate is about 1 in 5.

Anyway, the later 360s are problem free.  I've had mine for a year and a half without an issue.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

The later 360s are suffering from that E74 nonsense.  It happened to mine, and I just thought my L4D disc was fucked.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Oh yeah Goverment making video games, Goverment doing things is so perfect! Join the Democratic Party, believe Goverment knows better and you know less, you worm

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Yeah, the government is so fricken incompetent.  The government sets up public libraries that loan books to anyone - for FREE!  The government sets up a police department that ensures public safety - for FREE!  The government sets up a fire department that makes sure fires are contained within minutes - for FREE!  The government sets up a post office that allows us to send mail anywhere in the world and get it there within a few days, all for a few coins.  The government sets up a military force that can outfight any other on the planet.

But yeah, join the Republicans or the Libertarians and embrace the big lie that government is so unbearably useless and inefficient.

And just in case someone pipes up and says the services I say are free cost us in terms of tax dollars, that is not true.  You don't have to pay taxes in order to get help from the police, fire department or to loan books from a public library.  And even those who DO pay taxes don't pay a great deal for these essential services (except for the military).

So which of these 'useless and inefficient' government services do the Republican and Libertarian platforms call for abolishing?  What's that?  NONE of them?

Hypocrites!

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Yeah, the government is so fricken incompetent.  The government sets up public libraries that loan books to anyone - for FREE! (Bullshit.  If you pay taxes, you're paying for those libraries.)

The government sets up a police department that ensures public safety - for FREE! (Bullshit.  The police department actually has no impetus to keep the public safe.  The supreme court has said this time and again, and it's one of the big reasons for the DC vs Heller decision a year or so agao.  Also, this is paid for with community tax dollars, as well as fund raising, and, in some precincts and smaller cities, with grants.)

The government sets up a fire department that makes sure fires are contained within minutes - for FREE! (once again, taxes pay for it.

The government sets up a post office that allows us to send mail anywhere in the world and get it there within a few days, all for a few coins. (I don't know what you've sent all the way across the world that only cost you a few coins.  Last time I sent something to China, it cost me 2 dollars, and was roughly the size of a check.  By the way, the Post Office is run on a for-profit basis, but is still paid for with, you guessed it, tax dollars)

The government sets up a military force that can outfight any other on the planet. (A)  still not free B) the government manages to make a mess of every decision they make concerning the military, and the press helps a great deal too.  Barack Obama, for example, decided to end the F22 project, which would've guaranteed us air superiority for at least 10 years, in favor of technology that has already been copied by the chinese.  Great decisions there.  There are so many more, but those are the easy targets.  C) The military also uses a volunteer group that gets paid poorly, because rather than fund the military, some leaders would like to spend money on, I don't know, retarded pet projects, buying companies, etc, etc.  Oh, and D), everytime the military is used, people bitch and moan incessantly, call soldiers baby-killers, the same old song and dance).

'But yeah, join the Republicans or the Libertarians and embrace the big lie that government is so unbearably useless and inefficient.'

You seem to have missed the point here, skippy.  The point is that the government wastes billions every year on idiotic and useless programs.  Most of these programs serve at least SOME purpose.

'And just in case someone pipes up and says the services I say are free cost us in terms of tax dollars, that is not true.  You don't have to pay taxes in order to get help from the police, fire department or to loan books from a public library.  And even those who DO pay taxes don't pay a great deal for these essential services (except for the military).'

You may not pay much in taxes, but I do, so I can say they're not free.  Also, the police and fire department aren't legally required to help you, and many libraries will not loan books to people who don't have a state ID, unless you're part of the school district. 

'So which of these 'useless and inefficient' government services do the Republican and Libertarian platforms call for abolishing?  What's that?  NONE of them?'

It's more the billions of dollars wasted every year on poorly managed government programs (like Indianapolis and Charlotte's program that pays vandals to spray paint buildings downtown, then pays to clean the paint off), or on, you know, buying companies with government money, things like that.  Oh, and wasteful spending on things like 'swine flu', spending 1.5 billion on tamiflu, which is said to not even be effective. 

I agree, you are a hypocrite.

 

 

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Boo-hoo!  Oh the government is so bad!  Diddums! Tell you what then, next time you're in a fire, don't bother calling the fire department.  Instead, get out a bucket and fill it with water.  Next time you have to call the police, don't - deal with it vigilante style.  Next time you need to send a message, send it via UPS.  And don't use the public library - buy all your books at a bookstore.

Oh, and don't use public roads either.  And while you're at it, why don't you just go ahead and nail yourself to a big old cross on your front lawn so that you can whine some more about how badly you have it.

People like you make me sick with your sense of entitlement and your lack of gratitude for the benefits that others bought you with their tax dollars.  You ought to be forced to live under a system whereby you only get what you pay for yourself.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Hmm, another successful troll by Neo_DrKefka.

I am disappointed in both of you.  

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Dim=reaper, different ends of the same public raping aristocrat....

 


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

ok Ill add some more then

over all I prefer the xbox 360 (mostly due to its wider selection of games) to the ps3 however the ps3 doesnt have as strong a dlc connection as the 360 and in some ways thats a strength the games that come out tend to be great stand alone products. ifamous and killzone 2 are just great no flaws no glitch's nothing just solid great games. the main probleme with the ps3 is when it gets a glitchy game from the 360 it probably wont get the patch's.

the ratchet and clank games have allways been solid they even had a much cheaper small add on to tools of destruction via a physical medium (quest for booty) much appreciated.

resident evil 5 was a good game I just dont think its a resident evil game anymore that said its solid no glitch's or freezing no corrupted saves. but dead space does this kind of game much better

dead space wow now thats a good game and no problemes with it either.

the FEAR games have allways been very good.

the halo games are very good with the excetpion of halo 2 but that was microsoft interfering which bungie corrected with halo 3. very solid online community the bungie guys seem to like the machinima and take it all in good humor good people at bungie. theres been some bull I hear about the odst game being full price but their giving you a halo 3 add on plus all the maps and more on a physical medium and since this is bungie its pretty much guaranteed not to glitch or freez in any way. I cant fault them in any way other than the halo 2 thing.

 

the people of valve very good games and the orange box was great value for money most of that stuff you wouldve seens as dlc but you got it all crammed onto a disc and they included half life 2. very nice no possible way to fault them for something that great. from what I hear their nto so friendly to their community barely aknowledging that there is machinima (I could be wrong) but thats fine. theres been some stuff said about left 4 dead 2 and it sequel and how the community was promised dlc. frankly Id take a full blown sequel on disc over dlc any day that said I havent played left 4 dead yet)

 

fallout 3 clearly someone cared about what they were making a few problemes sure but maybe you would miss some things on such a big game. that being said the problemes with the dlc are less forgivable and ive never liked things you have to download far too easy for you to lose access to. to be fair their putting it all onto a game of the year edition which i will be buying. it presumably has all the patch's if not though ... well I dont think Im allowed to swear here ... Ill allways take physical mediums over dlc any day.

 

well I guess my viewpoint is clear

release quality finished products that dont need patch's and if you have to have something like dlc include it in something else like your next game or some special disc that has alot crammed on it. and play test the hell out of everything you make PLEASE.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Speaking of being pushed out of the gate, Microsoft had that huge problem with the 360 by releasing it early that it was supposed to... and everyone knows what I'm talking about.

Frankly, it was one of the few reasons I bought a PS3 over the 360, to little dismay on my online get togethers with complete strangers.

-Oh, and I might as well point out that motion detecting camera peripheral from E3 was covered in the Colbert Report (I am at work, so I don't have the link with me...)

As for the article itself. I wager a silver bullion (just because it sounds fancy and a bit badass) for the anti-war protesters, hippies, and your mom (YES! I said YOUR MOM! Wanna do something!?) to get together and bitch about AmAr (I won't say AA, because that Acronym is for quitters)

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too many games coming out incomplete and full of glitches and half the stuff they should have.

it wasnt so bad on consoles then live came along. (hard to sell a product that doesnt work so the people funding have a tad more understanding for delays)

and you want the game to be as appealing as possible to net you more sales and more money. so you try to fix glitch's and put as much stuff in as possible.

but now its different theres no excuse not ready yet its broken? patch it after assuming it makes enough money to be worth it. -_- wanna put extra weapons and skins in there NOOO you can sell it after release as a dlc weapons pack etc. urghh MORE MONEY MORE MONEY

wouldnt be so bad but if they ever go bust or stop making the patch's available or if live stops making money and they stop that(all kinds of things could happen that render you unable to repatch your game should you need to buy a new console or hard drive and losing the data containing the patch.

and your left with the same broken unpatched crap they released in the first place and no way to fix it.

stormrise was terrible they were gonna patch it but nope not enough money coming in (dont buy it) 

fallout 3 (great game though serisoly the glitch's arent enough to prevent it from being one of the best games since ... err ... ever heh) suffers from that the game had glitch's all over the railway rifle froze your game every other shot and npc's vital for quests just vanished for example. well atleast it was very good value and the dlc is decent (but from what  I hear glitchy as hell I havent played them myself though) atleast it made enough money to get them all patched over. I just hope they include all the patch's in the upcoming game of the year edition.

far cry 2 is very guilty many people were left completly unable to complete the game at all how does that get past play testing for crying out loud?. decent game though

 

just so you know I wanted to show examples of

shoddy incomplete gamplay'  "stormrise"

great game but somehow has flaws youd think they wouldve spotted' "fallout 3"

and a game you unlikely to be able to complete without a patch' "far cry 2"

 

despite this a few gems do shine through a few well polished solid games even pretty original. too bad they will end up being seen as valuable money making interlectual property and get screwed over. (luckilly theres a handfull out there who actually care about making a decent product)

 

oops I think I was ranting ahem sorry. (do I sound bitter heh)

 

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

You make it sound like they're trying to make money with AA3...

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

QFGT!!

If we do not tell them we are sick of it with everything we got they can easily ignore us and make thigns worse....

 

THough I will add F03 and FC2 are half done they start out fine mid way things get redundant and then by the end there is little if anything keeping the game intresting just more of the same more of the same.


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

And if we do tell them we are sick of it they just get their knuckle dragging, talking-head Sessler to attempt to belittle us.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

"cartago delenda est"

Translation - Sessler is a douchebag.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Pretty much complacency for good enough is kidna sad, but let me balance my rambling with this, I don't think there is any real problem with L4D or LFD2, its more bubbling conseet(SP) of the industry thats a bit misplaced upon the LD4 brand, I didn't see near as much whining when Halo went casual and had short SP campaigns, perhaps because it was touted as a MP game with some short fun and shallow SP stuff.

 

 


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Strange. I always saw what became "Halo" as your casual, lowest common denominator game.

Plus there was plenty complaint when it went from PC strategy to console FPS.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

THis is almsot true for most modern games, to short of a dead line and or  developers manage that time line poorly this results in bugs and lack of polish.

/btch

 


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

THis is almsot true for most modern games software, to short of a dead line and or developers manage that time line poorly this results in bugs and lack of polish.

FTFY. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

When you give a real estimate of time, management balks. In several places, when I give a real estimate of time, I've been called "pessimistic". In the end run, it's usually been optimistic by months, and in one case, years. EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. Yet I'm still never believed nor given adequate time.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Yes and no.

You would be surprised how much the development cycle can be differnt when the military is your customer.

Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

Not to mention interference/lack of support from the people funding the project.

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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

And some games get the funding but still come out as messed up :P

 


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Re: America's Army Launches New Version, Sacks Developers, ...

I wonder how much of this is also related to the big push for VBS2 dervived games in the Army.  That seems to be the big buzz word to get funding, and if you do not have  a plan to transition you are considered at-risk.

 
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