Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public Interest Groups Drop Information Lawsuit on Secret Copyright Treaty

June 24, 2009 -

For nearly a year GamePolitics has been tracking ATCA, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA).

As we have reported, ACTA deals in large part with copyright issues and is being negotiated in secret by the U.S., Japan, Canada, the EU and other nations. Details of ACTA are largely a mystery to consumers despite the fact that dozens of corporate lobbyists have been clued in to parts of the treaty, including Stevan Mitchell, VP of IP Policy for game publishers trade group the Entertainment Software Association.

Sadly, consumer interests suffered a major blow last week as the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Public Knowledge dropped a federal lawsuit seeking to cast a little sunshine on the ACTA negotiations. The EFF explained that a recent decision by the Obama Administration to claim a national security exemption for the ACTA talks made the lawsuit unwinnable; federal judges have  little leeway to overrule such claims. The move by the Obama White House extends a similar policy put in place by the Bush Administration.

Public Knowledge Deputy Legal Director Sherwin Siy commented on the decision:

Even though we have reluctantly dropped this lawsuit, we will continue to press the U.S. Trade Representative and the Obama Administration on the ACTA issues. The issues are too far-reaching and too important to allow this important agreement to be negotiated behind closed doors.

The worry, of course, is that the United States will emerge from ACTA with a done deal that favors Big IP in the fashion of the consumer-unfriendly DMCA. Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association, expressed concerns about ACTA earlier this year:

Because ECA supports the balance that must exist between the rights of copyright owners and the right of copyrighted material consumers, we do not think it wise to include any portions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) in the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) currently being discussed...    

We are concerned that any DMCA language in ACTA may cause enormous, unforeseen negative implications in US law...

GP: As GamePolitics mentioned above, video game publishers lobbying group the ESA is privy to at least a portion of the secret ACTA negotiations while its industry's customers - video game consumers - are barred from knowing anything at all.

That makes us wonder - will the Video Game Voters Network, which is owned and operated by the ESA, commence a letter-writing campaign on behalf of its gamer-members demanding that the White House pull the curtain back on ACTA?

Somehow we doubt it.

FULL DISCLOSURE DEPT: The Entertainment Consumers Association is the parent company of GamePolitics.

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

The implications of this kind of thing goes far beyond its effects on gaming.  Perhaps this information needs to be spread beyond the gaming community?

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

They won't listen.  Most people outside the gaming community don't care about this type of stuff, and if you talk to somebody who loves Obama, they'll make up any excuse for this to be a good thing, or worse, they'll just attack you personally for disagreeing with him.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

*sigh*  I fear for the future.

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

OK, so, this topic got outta hand way to fast.

 

That being said, It's well documented that I think the DMCA was bullshit. So natually, Im not a fan of ATCA either.

I wish I could say I was disapointed in Obama for not keeping to his promise of "Greater transparancy", but honeslty, yeah, this is what I expect from him anyway, I think he's broken whay now, several hundred campaign promises, this is no suprise.

I do wish he'd stop bsing the people and let this thing be seen by the public, we have every right to know what it's about. If its not gonna affect the rights of citizens, then why are they being so secretive.

I think the answer is obvious. The new admin is hardly better then the last in this area. They are just as much the bitch of the major media industry as Bush was, there's just less talk about since the main networks, Minus Fox news, pretty much shills of OB in all things.

THis is NOT the change he promised the american people.

 

 

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Here's a tip; when all a politician can do is give vague promises of 'Hope' and 'Change', he's full of shit.  All politicians bring about change, and people tend to have high hopes when electing them.  Obama played on people's fears of the last administration to create an administration just as bad, if not worse.  At least George Bush didn't bow down to Iran.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

No, he just kissed and held hands with the Saudis.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Just what was to be expected.

ZAR.

 

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

No GP, the Video Games Voter Network will obviously be used against consumers as a way to trick courts into thinking that consumers want this shit.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

LOL, 'change' we can believe in indeed. The only change I see is the noose being tightened around the nation's neck.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

You're on the money here. I thought maybe that Obama would be more pro-citizen than Bush, but no, it was not meant to be apparently.

The problem here is that Obama is far more charismatic than Bush ever was, therefore he can go along similar policies but in a far more subtle way. 

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I guess our only real hope is that when this "Secret Treaty" is finally revealed the Senate might not ratify it. I guess its a possibility, especially if there's enough grumbling over it from the voters.

But seriously? A National Security matter? Really Obama? Someone explain to me how copywright implicates National Security outside of the defense industry.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

It's a pathetic continuation of the crap that came out of the Bush Administration, where piracy was linked to terrorism and the penalities for illegal downloads border on capital punishment, and obviously Clinton before that with the DMCA.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Great, more crap like this. More transparency my ass. It seems that we're even more screwed over in this aspect. Why this 'copyright treaty' needs to be secret is beyond me.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Because the less you say the less people have to speak out against.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

IF the copyright holders are the only ones in on it and the consumers are kept i nthe dark ,it can only be bad for the consumer.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

AE: I am now deleting posts and editing them because we should not respond to anything but pure delight and joy about our Dear Leader and I am too much of a coward to debate the facts here. Also Proxies are evil!

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

How does their political affiliation justify you being a total fucktard? Grow the hell up.

AE: Okay, that's a bit much.  Let's dial back on the hostility a bit.  And that goes for all of us.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Keep this up and you will be banned.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

 

Arguing with a mod by insulting him will not help your case. We have no problem with you posting as long as it is on topic.

E. Zachary Knight

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

You need to calm the fuck down and stop acting like a whackjob.  Every article is not an excuse to bring up problems with the Obama administration.  If you want to talk about it, use the shoutbox or the forums.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Here is the problem as you might remember right before Obama took office, every Flash Game on this site and every problem in the world there was almost always an add on blaming Bush.

So again blame Bush okay but dare to question Obama bad? You may bring up little point about Obama but yet we are supposed to hold back and let it be but go back in time and tell that to people talking about Bush lol

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Questioning Obama is fine.  Posting off topic is not.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

No one is saying you can't criticize Obama. But we need to keep the criticism related to the topic at hand.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

I don't give a fuck if you blame Obama, you know my opinion of the man (or else you're a retard).  But at least keep it on topic.  And don't insult the fucking mods, you were out of line.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Again, reason why I am pissed is because two people had their posts edited including what I said that had to do with this topic and I expanded from there. E. Zachary Knight who I disagree with numerous times on this site but he always comes back and makes a quick retort.

So again I ask, not to you but the Moderator what is your political affiliation?

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

My political affiliation has no bearing on this discussion and I have not edited anything, I have only deleted your posts (one for being off topic, one for posting as me).

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

I watched the whole thing happen (slow business day), and I maintain that YOU were, in fact, out of line.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

So now we are playing little kiddy games, NO YOU DID IT! Come on now, big guy. I'll just stop defending myself at this point on that since if I say something you'll just go, "and I maintain that YOU were, in fact, out of line." like something I haven't seen since I was 10 but come on what if your political affiliation,

You have become part of the discussion you deleted two guys posts who you claim were off topic and clearly the other guy wasn't harsh at all but who did you vote for?

What do you have to hide? With your response the way it is, it looks like your hiding something or more like not trying to admit to something.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

You've caught me.  I'm AE, EZK, AL, AND GP.  Jackass.

Do you have any media you'd like to share?  Maybe something about the Jew-run bureacracy at GP?  

I voted for John McCain.  If I thought he had a chance, I'd have voted for Ron Paul.

What am I trying to hide?  My god, you're on to me!  I'm the Easter Bunny.  I'm the Boogieman.  I'm Barack Obama.  OOOOOOOH.  Jackass.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Austin, I had an inkling that you and AE were the same person but EZK, AL, and GP as well?  Hell, I'm impressed. 

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

First secure an independent income, then practice virtue. -Greek Proverb

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Austin is not a mod.  He does not have the ability to delete or edit anything other than his own posts.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

"And don't insult the fucking mods..."

That made me chuckle.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Sorry, Didn't mean to step on your toes there.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Don't worry about it.  He's gone batshit crazy.  Sure there are a lot of problems with the new administration, but if we could at least stay SOMEWHAT on topic here, we'd all be a lot better off.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

I have to wonder if he really believes the stuff he rambles about, or if he's just following Nietzsche's advice.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

And I have a IP Proxy so your threat doesn't mean much

Fact is, on most of what I have said I have made reference to the topic and then went off to list other examples. You choose to delete and edit rather then debate it or question it so I ask who did you vote for? The other guy really didn't say anything harsh but yet him and his comments disagreeing with the President were removed? Care to explain yourself?

Care to defend your political affiliation? Again, IP Proxies are nice, so that threat doesn't both me. What does however is that you just erased two guys thoughts for stating their opinions and were on topic.

 

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

I deleted one post by you (two if you count the second post where you were posting as me) and it was half a dozen paragraphs that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.  You will notice I left your other posts alone as they are replies to (barely) on topic posts.

Deleting your post has absolutely nothing to do with the content.  You could have been posting about gerbil care and I still would have deleted it for being off topic.

 

Andrew Eisen

 

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

AE: Let's try to keep the discussions on topic folks.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

A lot of transparency from this new Administration, isn't there?  Of course, Biden's there, and he wrote the DMCA, so I can see us all being well fucked by this new treaty or whatever the fuck they'll call it.

I especially enjoy how, after spending the better part of a year saying that lobbyists will have no hand in writing laws, the Obama Administration seems to have more lobbyists working 'with' it than the last two administrations.  Love it.  The hypocrisy is just delicious.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

After big corporations screwed the global economy, I strongly doubt it's wise to listen to them when writing laws.

I daresay it's rather moronic.

 

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Actually it was big Government which screwed the economy. Various companies and banks told to lend to money for people who have bad credit because in the eyes of the progressive movement everyone deserves a house.

Note last year Barney Frank was telling us all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound companies and that anyone who questioned their lending or Country Wide who was a big Democratic Party supporter then they are racist because by not supporting giving loans to the poor you are against black people and thus racist.

The problem with this finical melt down is not Government was not involved regulating, it was that Government injected itself and played Social Engineering with our economy.

 

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Doc koolaid

More like the lack of big government oversight and regulation that allowed their corporate fck buddies to do what they wanted.... but who's keeping track....certainly not you............


I am a criminal because I purchase media,I am a criminal because I use media, I am a criminal because I chose to own media..We shall remain criminals until Corporate stay's outside our bedrooms..


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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Actually, he's right on this too (for the most part).  During the last 5 years, any time ANYONE brought up bank reform to prevent things like subprime mortgages, they were basically called racists.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Once again provide Proof, evidence.

Oh wait u have none.

Austin_Lewis: "It was MANBEARPIG"

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Once again, it was all over the news.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Which news? Where is the proof? Back it up ur statements with fact.

JEDI THE DUMBASS INBRED CONSERVATIVE: IT WAS ON THE NEWS, IT WAS ON NEWS

WHICH NEWS?

JEDI THE DUMBASS INBRED CONSERVATIVE: I DONT KNOW I M A DUMBASS INBRED CONSERVATIVE. I DONT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE. WAIT I GOT EVIDENCE GO LOOK IT UP UR SELF.

 

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double post


Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

Raines was doing it too, and a good three years before the meltdown.

Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

I guess the interest of multi-billion dollar multi-national corporations are a matter of national security.

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Re: Faced with White House National Security Claim, Public ...

It’s the same with Acorn and other businesses with the Obama Administration of Democratic Party Fundraisers.

Obama personally just fired publicly a man who was investigating Companies should not have been lent money and have been using there money in an illegal fashion. Oh Acorn just went underground and changed there name lol

But not till after the Democratic Party threw them a fundraiser and a birthday party and then the owners setup shop somewhere else. Seriously, you remember the lawyers being fired by the Bush Administration Scandal? Sadly we only have one station actually reporting the news and investigating well the rest are in bed with the President. It’s a travesty

But hey people don’t want they don’t get Ad money? Well Obama has appointed GE which owns NBC as the head of their green energy policy so now GE nor NBC can fail.

Also as for healthcare guess what? Obama wants us to pay a tax on what our employers pay for our healthcare.. You know we pay a little and our employer picks up a big part? Well, yeah he wants us to pay taxes on that but guess who he doesn’t want to? Blue Dog Unions who will be exempt by law

Just imagine, how many people will be going to jail in this Congress when the Justice Department is finally able to investigate and the news media actually starts reporting.

Hell, our Attorney General just let go all the Black Panther Party members who block doors and brought weapons turning away any white person who showed up at the polls.

 
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