Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

June 26, 2009 -

A class action lawsuit has been brought against Square Enix of America alleging unfair business practices, false advertising and unjust enrichment with regard to their long running MMORPG Final Fantasy XI.

In the suit, lead plaintiff Esther Leong of San Francisco claims that Square Enix deceived more than 100,000 customers about the game's monthly fees, penalties and restrictions. The suit seeks damages of $5 million. The nasty business which Leong charges that Square Enix engaged in includes:

  • Licensing of online game software disguised as a sale
  • Monthly fees to play the game
  • Penalties for late payment of fees
  • Interest charges for late payment of fees
  • Charges while the user's acccount is suspended
  • Termination of right to play for late payment of fees
  • User restrictions and conditions related to the game
  • Termination of game data for late payment of fees

Unfortunately, specific details of how Square Enix allegedly screwed its customers are not specified in the complaint. 1UP points out that the FFXI website lists a $12.95 monthly fee to play

DOCUMENT DUMP: Grab a copy of the lawsuit here.

-Doug Buffone, Entertainment Consumers Association intern

Via: Courthouse News Service


Comments

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Something to consider, as to why FFXI has late fees.

 

FFXI makes you pay at the end of the month, like a phone bill.

Use month of service -> Pay by the first of next month.

 

If you dont pay by the first on the next month, you have a late fee, just paid one lol, changing banks.

 

Other MMO, you prepay, with gamecards and such, where FFXI bills like cable or phone bills

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

These are the 100,000 idiots who are still playing FFXI online when everybody else is playing the much better WoW or other non-MMO FF games.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

That's 100,000 masochists who still believe they need to keep registering to keep your toon because Playonline claims like SOE used to that no server could handle it lol

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Again name calling from a wow player.

 

How do i know? Only in wow are they called 'toons'

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

WoW being better is a statement of personal preference.

 

Calling people who still play FFXI, or even people who play both idiots for doing so is just plain ignorant.

Rather than try to prove the merit or worth of either one, i will just ask you to not be rude.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

People need to read up on their rights and also know their rights under the FDCPA.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

My 1.5 cents...

Is this jackassery? Sure.

Does it require a lawsuit? Only in America.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

You took the words right out of my mouth...hands...keyboard...whatever, you know what I mean!

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Look on the bright side, atleast they dont report you to credit agencies like other service companies would.

Dont pay your phone bill?  Late Fee -> Credit ding

Dont pay your auto loan? Late fee -> credit ding -> repo

 

Welcome to the real world

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

It doesn't work like that.

Very few places can send a repo man and that is only after a Judge's ruling so it's not like a surprise. The FDCPA protects debtors from certain threats and actions. If a company wants to get some of your pay or items they need to go before a Judge.

Typically debt is sent to collections and just because you have debt doesn’t mean it affects your credit score.

For example if you go into the red with your bank account and don’t pay back the fees and such it will not ding your credit even after going to collections and that’s mainly because banks do not report to the Credit Bureau they report to Check Systems which means you can lose the ability to hold a Checking or Saving Account in the United States which forces you to go to a Credit Union and use that as a bank account.

Also noting, if a Creditor ever tells you that your bank reports to the Credit Bureau they are either misinformed or purposely misleading you to pay your debt which is a violation of the FDCPA.

Even if you owe someone money or they think you owe that company money, you still have rights and the FDCPA protects you. So again, just because a company’s Terms of Use says one thing doesn’t mean its binding or it can violate your rights. Businesses who acts like they are a Final Fantasy or Gaming Forum owners deserves to be sued.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

This is what I like about Blizzard, you pay, you can play.  Fail to pay for game time before its due and they cut you off until you pay.  Its very much at will.  No fees for cancelling, cancelling is as easy as clicking a few links in your account management page, and no late fees or crap like that.

 

Charging late fees for a service such as an MMO is wrong.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Wrong, but not illegal in any way.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Unless you fail to disclose or otherwise misrepresent the fact that late fees could be imposed. Or charge dispportionately excessive late fees. Or disguise what are really interest charges as late fees (assuming you aren't qualified by law to charge interest).

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

So basically someone didn't read the terms of agreement and they get to sue? By the wording of this I guess we can sue Nintendo since you have to PAY $249.99 to have access to the Virtual Console.

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I don't understand, if you don't pay, why do they let you play?

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---If I buy something outright, it's mine to freely use. I don't thereafter have to pay the seller a monthly fee to use it.

You bought your cell phone, does that mean you shouldnt have to pay monthly for service?

Your phone bill also goes to pay for the bulding of new cell towers and repairing of broken ones. A MMO fee does basicly the same thing.

 

---However, a company is not supposed to act as such especially let’s say if your hospitalized your information was stolen

This is what a customer service phonenumber is for, and TBH why should they care WHY you cant pay, beyond the fact that you cant? Its a service fee not homework.

 

---And I thought the unbeatable boss was a bad move. If you put in 36 hours of fighting and the boss isn't dead by then, it can be considered unbeatable,

There were two bosses in the game, ment to represent the hardest things the game could offer. The first group that went in didnt have a clue how to win, and just went old school throwing bodies at it. Since the change, a few more have tried and even fewer have won. The new 2 hour timelimit is the reason most fail now. Some of the secrets to beating them have been learned. Now theres just not enough time.

 

---Bottom line very few people still play FFXI

Not so much true. FFXI just announced they had the most active characters ever, and while i certainly agree FFXI isnt growing much anymore, the player base has sort of stabilized, im pretty sure FFXIV will kill it though.

 

---Well, Square just assured that I'll never touch one of their MMOs, ever.

Why? Because some people had silly complaints that are going to be tossed out. People need to realize just because its a game, doesnt mean the business side of it isnt serious. Try not paying your rent or phone bill for a while and see what happens. Or try breaking some of the terms of your rental and see what happens when you get cought.

 

---User restrictions and conditions related to the game

Honestly sounds like a group of people that got banned reciently, why else complain that theres rules to how you play?

 

---With FFXI you have 90 days to reactive an account before data is deleted, that's what happened to me once.

I stopped playing for 7 months. Dec '05 -> July '06, and didnt pay for my account during that time. When i came back my character was intact, as was my mule. They also have the 'welcome home' thing that allows you to recover characters.

 

---That is your right as an American Citizen because again when a business refuses to change it’s policy and they act in a hostile and sometimes abusive manner you do have the right to have a Judge take a look at this policy.

 

You also have a right to shop elsewhere. Because you had a right as an American Citizen to read the agreement in the first place and decide if you wanted to accept. Granted i never read the damn things.

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You bought your cell phone, does that mean you shouldnt have to pay monthly for service?

If the lying son-of-a-bitch who sold me the phone told me the cost of wireless service was included in the phone's price, then, no, I shouldn't have to pay for monthly wireless service. Or, at the very least, it gives me a damn good basis to drag his ass into court for false advertising.

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When did they say there wouldnt be a fee? 90% of MMO's have a monthly fee, only one i can think of is Guildwars that doesnt. Heck even Eve has a monthly fee, and thats a glorified text adventure game.

Personal stupidity is no excuse to get your money back.

If you really think you were cheated out of your money by paying a monthly fee, you better sue any subscription service you've ever signed up for because they did the same thing.

 

Or, you are full of shit and just want to whine because you were banned.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

While I'm beginning to suspect that matter how many times and in how many different ways I say it, you still won't understand it, let me try again:

If a licensing agreement is indeed, as the plaintiffs allege, disguised as a sale, then it only naturally follows that fees of any sort cannot be attached by the seller to the product which was the subject of the disgiused sale. If I sell you something outright, I've lost all ability to attach further conditions on its use. It's not mine to attach conditions to anymore. It's now yours. And I don't need to to mislead you as to the monthly licensing fee if I've mislead you to belief that the product is sold outright. The mere fact that I've caused you to believe the product was sold outright is sufficient for you to base the belief that no licensing fees are attached. Why would you believe that you have to pay licensing fees? As far as you're concerned and based on my disguising of the transaction, you didn't enter into a licensing agreement. You entered into a sales agreement.   

To use your cell phone example again, if the seller misleads the buyer into the belief that the price of the phone includes the monthly cost of the wireless service, then the buyer isn't on the hook for those monthly costs. But if, as is usually the case in an honest and fair transaction, the buyer makes it clear to the seller that the phone is being sold outright but the wireless service which makes it useful is not included in the price but, rather, must be borne by the buyer on a month-to- month basis, then the buyer's on the hook for those monthly costs.

And while there is no legal cause of action based on personal stupidity, there are many causes of action based on a seller's misrpesentations to a buyer. That the buyer was stupid enough to believe the misrepresentation doesn't usually matter. What's more important is that the seller made the misrepresentation. Which, obviously, is precisely what the plaintiffs in this case are alleging. To again use the cell phone example, it's no good defense for the seller to say, "Well, it's your dumb-ass fault for believing me when I told you that the wireless service was built into the price of the phone. Everyone with a half a brain knows that it doesn't work like that."

 

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the problem is, you are backpeddaling.

 

first you suggest that Playonline actually did mislead consumers, then when evidence is given that that is infact incorrect, you try to outline the complaint.

We, I, understand what you are saying, but as many people here have said, thats not what they did.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I'm doing no backpedaling. If you go back and read through, you'll find that my position has always and consistently been "if, as plaintiffs allege, blah, blah, blah" or something along those lines. At no time do I ever take the postion that plaintiffs' allegations are in fact true. I couldn't. Putting aside the fact that I'm not entirely certain what a Final Fantasy is or what statements its seller may or may not make in advertising the product, I'm certainly not privy to what plaintiffs believe is the truth of their allegations. How could I ever begin to reasonably claim knowledge as to the truthfulness of plaintiffs' allegation? I could do so with reason no more than you can reasonably claim knowledge as to the falsity of the plaintiffs' allegations. Which leaves me wondering what's your basis for the assertion "thats [sic] not what they did." How do you know that's not what the seller did? Who knows what the plaintiffs are claiming was the false statement made? Do you? If not, how can you say that's "not what they did?" You have no idea what they're alleged to have done.   

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

 

  • Licensing of online game software disguised as a sale
  • Monthly fees to play the game

 

 

These are the first 2 bullet points and the ones spoken most about in the document dump.

Knowing im going to be called a fanboy, i have played ffxi since it launched in the US, and knew going into it that there were fees involved.

 

The online game software, or atleast the install media is sold, you own that, as much as you own any other software product. What you 'buy' is the CD key. With most licensed software, when you renew, you get a new key(looking at you Norton).

 

 

Monthly fees? They are sueing because the game has monthly fees?

Well, if a game cant have montly fees anymore, then one of 4 things will happen, in order of likelyness:

1. In game advertising for unrelated products will get rediculous. (Ride the new Toyota mount in WoW!)

2. Updates, patches, bug fixes will be reduced to a bare minimum, as well as any free additional content.

3. Inital purchase cost of the game will go through the roof.

4. No more (big) MMO's, not talking hacked free wow servers here, a MMO too expensive to maintain without monthly fees. We'll go back to the days of Diablo II with locally hosted worlds.

 

 

And, for the biggest pile of BS. this isnt really a class action lawsuit.

 

Its one guy, suing for himself and "on the behalf of all other customers of the online game up to 4 years ago until the present".

 

And he is requesting $5M for this...  $5,000,000.00

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I kinda knew you weren't going to get it.

They aren't suing merely because the game had monthly fees. They're suing because, as they allege, they got tricked into having to pay those monthly fees when they bought what has turned out to be a license to use the software under the mistaken assumption (caused by the disguising of the transaction as a sale) that they bought the software outright. 

And all it takes to start a class is one plaintiff (the so-called "lead plaintiff") who sues on their own behalf and on behalf of all other plaintiffs with a similar injury. Once suit has been filed, then the other plaintiffs who wish to join the class may do so. That's how all class actions work.

And she (not "he" -- unless some cruel parent named their boy-child "Esther") is not suing for $5 million solely for herself. That figure represents an estimate of the financial injury in the form of fees, late charges, re-activation charges, etc., etc., which each plaintiff in the class has allegedly suffered, multiplied by the estimated number of plaintiffs who will ultimately join the class. This in no way means that $5 million is what the plaintiffs will ultimately receive if they prevail. The actual amount of money damages awarded if plaintiffs prevail will be determined by the actual financial damages proved by the lead plaintiff, averaged and multiplied by the actual number of plaintiffs who ultimately join the class. 

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

while certainly not the only reason, one of the items they are sueing for, is that there were monthly fees.  2nd bullet

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I've always thought that the use of bullets was invented as a crutch for those who are too lazy to thoroughly read a body of regular appearing text. From the article (immediately above the bullets):

"Esther Leong of San Francisco claims that Square Enix deceived more than 100,000 customers about the game's monthly fees"

She's claiming she was deceived about the monthly fees. "DECEIVED." As in tricked, hood-winked, bamboozled, etc., etc. 

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Which would only be possible if she never looked at any advertisements and never, EVER read the box or game disc.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

@jedi:

The mere presence of truthful advertising doesn't negate the possibility of false advertising. Only the complete absence of false advertising negates the possibility of false advertising.

F3nris:

Keep right on leap-frogging from point to point. Who knows? You may eventually land on a point that actually makes some sense or bears some relevance. But for right now, you need to keep on leap-frogging.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

The only way there could be false advertising in relation to a subscription is if they explicitly said there weren't, which they never did.  At some point, the plaintiff is going to have to produce something where Square says there was, in fact, no subscription fee.  If such a piece existed, this would have happened a long, LONG time ago.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

That you believe the only way to falsely advertise the nature of a product is to explicitly say something false about the product's nature suggests to me that your knowledge of the law of false advertising isn't exactly well-sounded. The failure to state information known to the seller about a product's nature which is critical to the buyer's understanding of the product's nature can also be false advertising. It can also be an unfair trade practice (another cause of action alleged in Leong's complaint). Similarly, and as I've said for maybe the sixth time now, if the seller made false statements about the nature of the transaction it was proposing, e.g., stating that a licensing agreement is an outright sale, the buyer is automatically mislead to believe that there are no monthly usage fee involved when they are mislead to believe that they are purchasing the product outright. Even though the seller has not said one false word about monthly usage fees. The belief that there are no monthly usage fees follows naturally from the belief (based on the falsely advertised transaction) that the buyer is a purchaser, not a licensee.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

and i have said, and pointed to evidance that proves that they express the existance of monthly fees all over the place, on every box the software comes in, before you can activate the account, and on their website.

 

They in no way failed to express the fact that there were monthly fees.

 

There is no 'if they didnt express' because they did express.

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@F3nris:

And I have said that as long as an advertiser falsely says one time, in one place, "This is not X," it doesn't matter that they also truthfully say a thousand times in a thousand other places, "This is X." The mere fact of falsely saying one time that "This is not X" is sufficient to constitute a case of false advertising. So, as long as there was even a single occurence of Square falsely describing the nature of the transaction or the product, it doesn't matter if there are a million other times and places where it truthfully described the nature of its product and/or the transaction. Square would still be guilty of false advertising.

@lumi:

While I agree that none of us knows the precise details of the deception by which Leong claims to have been decieved about the transaction (Leong certainly hasn't shared those details in her Complaint) and not to say that it is impossible that sale representatives were somehow disguising the nature of the transaction at the point of sale, for your theory to be correct and support Leong's claim, it would mean that the seller instituted a systematic and long-standing policy of deception by sale representatives such that, as Leong claims, 100,000 subscribers were thereby deceived over a four-year period. Possible? Certainly. Likely? I'm not so sure.  

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@ Lumi --- This is a Square Enix game not blizz lol

 

@ JDKJ On every single package for the game, the monthly fees are listed, before you can start to play the game, it asks if you agree to the charges.  I even dug out one of the boxes for the expansion packs, and it lists the monthly fees on that box too, in nice bold type.  This being the case, how could they falsely advertise what is plainly on the package?

 

In this case, id like to sue Chex mix. When i bought it i expected X ounces of chex cerial mixed with seasonings, but inside the package i found pretzels and melba toast. This product has falsely advertised itself and i want money.

Even though the package clearly states that it contains these other items.

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@F3nris:

I'm about ready to give up on repeating the same thing to you over and over and over and over again because you obviously ain't hearing me. I'm rapidly approaching the point where you leave me to wonder if you ain't hearing what I'm telling you because: (a) you ain't too good at listening or (b) you've got fanboy wax build-up in your ears. But let me try just one more time:

It doesn't matter what the box says about the deal if somewhere else something contradictory was said about the deal. Think of it this way: If you tell a lie on Monday but then tell the truth on Tuesday, as far as the law of false advertising is concerned, you're still a liar. The law doesn't care that you told the truth on Tuesday. As far as the law is concerned, that doesn't forgive the lie you told on Monday. You're still on the hook for telling Monday's lie. Take a second and think about this before you spend time thinking up a come back in defense of Square Enix.  

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I understand your point fully, but as i have been trying to say, i just went through the whole process for a friend of my who just started FFXI on the 360. 

Nowhere does it mention that there wont be fees. TV adds, banner adds, and their own website all list the price per month.  I have done this legwork and found not a single add or mention anywhere that says there is no monthly fee.

 

I understand if they said anywhere it is still false advertising. Yes, i get it.

Yes if they gladly pay you tuseday for a hamburger today they must be Wimpy.

Like i said before.

There isnt anywhere that is says there is no monthly fee. 

--> IF <--

You can find anything that disagrees with this, please feel free to post it.

Until then, my statment stands, that the monthly fee has been advertised and is no surprise to anyone who purchased the game.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Nowhere does it mention that there wont be fees. TV adds, banner adds, and their own website all list the price per month. I have done this legwork and found not a single add or mention anywhere that says there is no monthly fee. . . . There isnt anywhere that is says there is no monthly fee. 

Yeah. Right. O.K. You searched the entire universe of advertising published by Square Enix about Final Fanasty in the last four years. Every single television or radio commercial ever aired. Every single advertisement ever printed in any and all magazines. Every advertisement ever placed on any Internet website. Every poster ever hung at Gamestop or any other game retailer. Every piece of promotional material ever distributed at any gamer convention. Anywhere and everywhere that advertising by Square Enix about Final Fantasy in the last four years could possibly exist. The entire possible universe of advertising. Yeah. Right. O.K.

Three years ago, I lost a $20 bill through a hole in my pocket. I have no idea where it could have fell. Think you can use your Superman-like search powers to help me find it? I'll split it with you. That's ten bucks.

 

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

no, but i did look at every package, i watched the commercails on youtube, i looked at the original print add for the game, i still had tucked into the case. looked up their banner adds from the last 3 months.

 

Before you open your mouth to sound like a dick, how about you try looking. Find ANY add that they have posted that doesnt talk about their monthly fee and come back and try agian.

 

I didnt see EVERY ADD EVER like you seem to think i said, but i said the places i looked and found no lack of mention.

So, rather than trying to stroke your epeen, prove me wrong.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I'll wait until you prove yourself right before I try to prove you wrong. Unless and until you have searched every advertisement that Square Enix has published in the last four years, you can't even begin to credibly state that nowhere in Square Enix's advertising does it state . . . whatever. You have no way of knowing beyond a doubt what all their advertising says unless and until you've reviewed all their advertising. You looked in some places and didn't find anything. Great. But that doesn't at all mean that what you looked for doesn't exist anywhere. Which is what you were claiming. That it doesn't exist anywhere. In your own words: There isnt anywhere that is says there is no monthly fee.

If what you meant to say was, "There isn't anything in the very limit places that I have looked where it says that there there is no monthly fee," then fine. But the fact would still remain that you haven't looked everywhere. The only difference is that you wouldn't be forcing me to point that fact out to you.  

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Sorry, weren't you quoting law earlier?

 

"Innocent until proven guilty" Sound familiar?

 

"Burden of proof is on the prosectuion"

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Do you understand that those terms only apply to criminal cases? Do you understand that Square Enix is the defendant in a civil case, not a criminal case? What's your point, pray tell?

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

That they dont have to prove themselves innocent of false advertisement, the plaintiff does.

Change prosecutuiors or plaintiff, either way, the defendant doesnt have to prove their own innocence.

 

so if you claim wrong doing, prove it

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I've never claimed wrong-doing. As I pointed out to you before, I don't know if plaintiffs' allegations of wrong-doing are true. I've only pointed out the possible scenarios under which plaintiffs' claims of false advertising and unfair trade practice could be true. If anyone's been claiming anything, it's you who have been claiming the impossibilty of wrong-doing on the part of Square Enix. And, frankly and as far as I am concerned, doing a piss-poor job of substantiating that claim.

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narrow post is skinny

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My sign to call it a day.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

is that day a Tuesday?

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

Double

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I love how everyone here is so sure what happened even though NONE of us were around at the point of sale.  We have no idea what any Blizz sales rep actually said about the fee structure for the game when it was sold to her.

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As to the ToS isnt an inportant arguement:

ToS are fully enforcable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD_v._Zeidenberg for the lazy, or

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl for the bored.

 

And as stated, the cost of the game and the fact it has monthly fees is clearly expressed.

 

www.finalfantasyxi.com/ - Click monthly fee's right above "chains of promathia" the blue text

 

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

So you're saying that nobody playing FF11 knew that there wasn't a fee?  Then why are we not hearing about this for years after the fact?

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

I'd say no such thing . . . if for no other reason than whether no one knew there was a fee is irrelevant. What's relevant and what I said was that if the plaintiffs to the class action against Final Fanasty were somehow mislead by Final Fantasy to believe that the transaction they were engaging in with Final Fantasy was a sale and not a licensing agreement, then they could resonably believe that no monthly fees attached to the use of the sold product. Again, in the outright sale of a product, the seller cannot properly attach any fees to the buyer's use of the product. From the buyer's perspective, the seller would have no legal right to exact fees of any sort related to the product because the seller would no longer have property rights in the product, having outright sold all such rights to the buyer. 

Re: Consumer Class-Action Suit Targets Final Fantasy XI

The box has said a monthly fee would be required to play from the day it hit the shelves.  So have the few television commercials aired for the game.

Edit:  What I mean is that the game was clearly advertised as requiring a monthly fee to play.  Do they really have a claim of false advertisement when they were told upfront that they would not be able to play for free?

 
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MaskedPixelantehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZGKI8vpcg My feelings on the latest GOG news.08/27/2014 - 12:47pm
Andrew EisenFalcon SNUB!!!08/27/2014 - 11:28am
E. Zachary KnightAh. Didn't realize Captain Falcon was from F-Zero. Perhaps they didn't want too much SSB cross over characters.08/27/2014 - 10:30am
ZenEZK they could easily just put Captain Falcon in (they are using his car anyways) and he would be the most recognizable character from the series for the anime, games, and Smash Bros.08/27/2014 - 9:42am
ZenMasked there are also the two from Animal Crossing that are going to be in it. I am wondering what they will do for the Excitebike level they gave a peek at.08/27/2014 - 9:41am
E. Zachary KnightDoes F-Zero really have a character that is recognizable that could be used? I would think the cars and tracks would be more recognizable.08/27/2014 - 8:55am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/08/27/rockstar-lohans-gta-5-lawsuit-just-jonas-ing-for-publicity/ Rockstar releases the biggest "no duh" statement in the universe.08/27/2014 - 8:07am
MaskedPixelanteI'm just saying, they're giving us an F-Zero kart and an F-Zero track, but their crossover representative is Link?08/27/2014 - 8:00am
ZenMasked, not really sure what your are talking about lol. They will be giving a total of 6 characters, 8 vehicles, and 16 tracks...plus the Yoshi and Shy Guy sets if you get both packs. Not bad for about the price of a single CoD map pack lol.08/27/2014 - 7:02am
MaskedPixelanteSee the flaw here. Blue Falcon car, F-Zero themed track, and Link as a playable character.08/27/2014 - 6:46am
IanCNext Level Games would like to say hi.08/27/2014 - 6:32am
 

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