Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, Conservative Group Argues in Supreme Court Brief

June 26, 2009 -

The conservative Eagle Forum has filed an amicus (friend of the Court) brief with the United States Supreme Court in support of California's 2005 violent video game law.

As GamePolitics reported last month, California Attorney General Jerry Brown petitioned the High Court to review a U.S. District Court ruling that the state's 2005 law blocking the sale of violent games to minors is unconstitutional. A three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court upheld the District Court decision in a February ruling.

The family values group, founded by conservative Phyllis Schlafly (left) in 1967, filed the brief on Monday. The document was authored by Andrew Schlafly, son of Phyllis and founder of Conservapedia (sort of the anti-Wikipedia). In the amicus brief, the Eagle Forum lays an array of societal problems at the feet of violent video games: bad grades, violent behavior, poor graduation rates, school shootings, game addiction and even sudden death.

We'll let the Eagle Forum's laundry list speak for itself (with a little help from GP's trusty red pen):

The First Amendment does not render our nation’s youth defenseless against the predatory, billion-dollar video game industry that churns out increasingly graphic blood and gore for impressionable minds to imbibe...

 

The corruption of our nation’s youth with increasingly deviant video games is a matter of national importance. Our nation’s youth is in crisis, by any measure. A calamitous 30% of our nation’s youth fail to graduate from public high school, and only 32% of those who attend public high school are ever qualified to attend a four-year college...

 

A substantial percentage of teenagers are hooked on these disturbing video games, and spend many hours each week playing them. Moreover, mass killings perpetrated by youngsters are frequently linked to addiction to violent video games...

 

The First Amendment does not forbid state legislatures from keeping this harmful material from children. The California legislature, not known to be conservative, protected its youth against the predatory video game industry. It was an error with national implications for the Ninth Circuit to invalidate the California statute...

Violent video games hurt children in two ways. Their increasingly realistic and disturbing images burn into children’s impressionable minds much as pornography does, and the role-playing inherent in a video game causes the child to buy into the rampages of murder and other heinous crimes that he is acting out...

 

The early market leader in video games was Nintendo, which adopted a policy against “excessive blood and violence,” but it was trounced in sales by a 3 to 1 margin by more gory material produced by Sega, and Nintendo learned the message that “violence sells video games to children...”

 

Numerous studies confirm the obvious: violent video games do cause addiction and harm... There has never been a full First Amendment right to flash highly objectionable and disturbing images specifically at children, or to entice them to participate in destructive role-playing behavior...

Displaying a shocking image to a child is conceptually identical to the utterance of “fighting words” to an adult, which this Court famously held to be out-side of First Amendment protection...

The stress attributed to violent video games can even be physically harmful. Eighteen-year-old Peter Burkowski, an avid video gamer, collapsed and died of a heart attack while playing games in an arcade...

 

Children who play violent video games have difficulty obeying authorities, treating peers properly, and succeeding in school...

DOCUMENT DUMP: Grab a copy of the Eagle Forum's amicus brief here.


Comments

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

I find it hilarious that I've been attacked personally on this thread for AGREEING with the people who are attacking me that this group should STFU.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Eighteen-year-old Peter Burkowski, an avid video gamer, collapsed and died of a heart attack while playing games in an arcade...

A simple search of Google finds:

"The cause of death is a heart attack, and while an autopsy finds previously undetected, two-week-old scar tissue on Burkowski's heart, the coroner does not rule out prolonged stress from the videogame as the triggering factor."

What they don't point out with the FACT is that it happened in 1982! 27 years ago, when games / gaming was no where near the level it's at now.

So to use their own example I'd expect to see a massive increase in heart failure related deaths from video games in that 27 year period...only there aren't really any.

That said visiting my friend google again I find:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15859553/detail.html

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1618058,00.html

Two semi recent examples of young people dying related to baseball, do you know the one thing people can draw from this?

People with undiagnosed heart problems are more likely to die!

It could be on the baseball field, at an arcade or sitting in your room. The CAUSE is a bad heart and that says more about the health care system than it does video games!

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Look, I'm a pretty tame guy about most things. But these whack jobs need to have the microphone removed from in front of their faces. There are too many things wrong with their logic that it's senseless to even debate it. It's like they came from a paralell universe or something. Their commentary has no basis in fact or fiction. 100% Whargarbl.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

 Displaying a shocking image to a child is conceptually identical to the utterance of “fighting words” to an adult.

I don't think they understand the concept of "concepts."

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Wow...Conservapedia is definitly the opposite of wikapedia.  Instead of detailing facts, they just shove their opinions down your throat.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

...and you sound suprised....why?

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

It's like the wiki version of Faux News.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

 Yeah, isn't it great?

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Not an American, your schooling rates as stated by Eagle Forum surprise me. There's a couple statistics I'd like to know to correlate them: 

What percentage of university and college students play video games?

What percentage of university and college students play violent video games?

 

I suspect percentages are high for both, but it would be nice to know.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Dammit!  Why, when it asks for me to sign in, can this forum not attach my response to the bloody post I was commenting on?

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Was just at that Conservapedia site, and under its "commandments" for posting on it is the following:

"When referencing dates based on the approximate birth of Jesus, give appropriate credit for the basis of the date (B.C. or A.D.). "BCE" and "CE" are unacceptable substitutes because they deny the historical basis. See CE."

Seriously, for some reason i find this hilarious. Can anyone explain why i find it so amusing?

*Edit* Oh, and if you look underneath the "commandments", after it claims that the rules are so as to be less restrictive than Wikipedia, it quotes several U.S. laws with punishments that you will be subject to if you do anything such as post "profanity" or "harassment" on the site. Frankly, im afraid to look now as it will probably sue me if i click on the wrong link.

In war, truth is the first casualty.

In war, truth is the first casualty.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Hopefully this issue never sees the SCOTUS, it would be a waste of there time at this point with all the evidance behind the game industry.

Yukimura is still here. "When he's at his best, he's little less then a man, and when he's at his worst, he's little more then a beast." W.S

"My name is Lenerd Church, and you will fear my LASER FACE"

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

After looking it up, this "fighting words" argument really is insanely weak and idiotic.

GP posted on his twitter to Dan at Gameslaw.net that the Eagle ForDumb specifically cited Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire(1942), but Gameslaw states that it's good news for the industry.

SCOTUS since the initial ruling has struck down numerous "fighting words" statutes and reversed decisions in other cases, including Street v. New York(1969)(involved flag-burning), Brandenburg v. Ohio(1969), Cohen v. California(1971), Gooding v. Wilson(1972), Lewis v. City of New Orleans(1974), and R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul(1992).

Zero divided by zero is still zero chance of winning for California.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

I can see the US supreme court laughing this BS amicus curaie off(and deny it outright)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

These people need to get back playing shuffleboard and yelling at kids to keep off their lawn.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

The First Amendment does not render our nation’s youth defenseless against the

predatory, billion-dollar Eagle Forum Group

that churns out increasingly rubbish and lies for impressionable minds to imbibe...

 

The corruption of our nation’s Christian people with increasingly deviant preaching is a matter of national importance. Our nation’s Christian followers are in crisis, by any measure. A calamitous 30% of our nation’s youth fail to graduate from public high school, and only 32% of those who attend public high school are ever qualified to attend a four-year college...

 

A substantial percentage of teenagers are hooked on these disturbing Eagle Forum radio shows, and spend many hours each week listening to them. Moreover, mass killings perpetrated by youngsters are frequently linked to addiction to Eagle Forum Radio Station...

 

The First Amendment does not forbid state legislatures from keeping this harmful material from children. The California legislature, not known to be conservative, protected its youth against the predatory Eagle Forum Group. It was an error with national implications for the Ninth Circuit to invalidate the California statute...

Eagle Forum radio rants hurt honest and law abiding Christians in two ways. Their increasingly realistic and disturbing messages burn into christians impressionable minds much as Rants from Osama Bin Laden does for the Islamic youth, and the role-playing inherent in a Bible causes the Christian to be brainwashed into the rampages of murder and other heinous crimes that he is acting out...

 

Numerous studies confirm the obvious: Extreme Christian Fundamentalism in the likes of the Eagle Forum's Radio Station do cause addiction and harm... There has never been a full First Amendment right to flash highly objectionable and disturbing preaching specifically at children, or to entice them to participate in destructive moral behavior based on the words of the Bible...

Preaching a shocking view of people of different genders, races and against people who have a difference in their sexuality to a child is conceptually identical to the utterance of “fighting words” to an adult, which this Court famously held to be out-side of First Amendment protection...

The stress attributed to violent Eagle Forums rantings can even be physically harmful.

Children who listen to the Eagle Forum radio show have difficulty obeying authorities, treating peers properly, and succeeding in school...

 

 

PS. See what I did there? I guess someone has to post this to the Eagle Forum so they can have a taste of their own medicine. To be honest, this sort of letter is just piss in the wind to me. And it is about time that the Eagle Forum are going to be hit by their own preaching they try to spew out to others.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Two things. One, if this were posted to the Eagle forum proper, in under an hour it would be deleted and the person who posted it permabanned and marked for harassment. They hate outside ideas makign it in.

Second

"A calamitous 30% of our nation’s youth fail to graduate from public high school, and only 32% of those who attend public high school are ever qualified to attend a four-year college and they aim to keep that way" would seem more accurate.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Don't forget the "Billion Dollar Eagle Forum" part.  I doubt that they're worth that much.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Everyone, if you're ever thinking about attacking these guys over video games, you may wanna think twice, according to the Overthinker

http://www.screwattack.com/myvidsdontsuck/Final/TheGameOverThinker

 

What is a game?(throws wine glass on the floor and it breaks to pieces) A miserable little pile of secrets.

What is a game?(throws wine glass on the floor and it breaks to pieces) A miserable little pile of secrets.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Why is "liberal group" never used, even when the group is decidely liberal?

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Because they are usually referred to as "radicals", "militants", "leftists", or some other implied "danger to society" title.  Aren't you glad the Eagle Forum was just referred to as a "conservative group" rather than "an Anti-Freedom of Speech, Theological dictatorship seeking, hate mongering, guttertrash group"?  Personally, I think GP was being TOO kind.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

I do agree with that statement

I also know That our previous president(Bush) comission somthing on both Left wing and right wing extremism

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Here's a tottally unscientific idea for those morons who believe in video game addiction, have a bunch of kids play some violent games, then in the middle of their playing, cut the power and see if their hands keep using the controller, (sorry I'm bored, and that just popped into my head, kinda like the stay puft marshmallow man)

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

So.. an old wrinkly lady from a party completly disconnected from reality, who has never touched a game controller in her long life, has full knowledge of America's societal problems and can clearly point them on video-games for being merely the latest new hotness in entertainment?

The fact she raised a child into fear of distribution of information to the mass (wikipedia) says a lot about her...

Conservatives are like Stewie ; "I don't like change!!"

 

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Just another cheap attempt to shift the attention from the utter failure of the "(neo-)conservative agenda" (represented by 8 years of "applied" fashism) to other fields of society.

 Sorry, old lady, but your very own kind also worshipped Adolf Hitler and claimed that Nazi Germany was "such a nice and tidy place with polite and orderly children".

ZAR.

 

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Do you even know what fascism is?  Fascism abhors capitalism, and if Bush is anything, he's a pure capitalist (right up until the bank bailouts).

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Looks like you are the one who doesn't know what "fashism" means.

Get your facts straight!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

ZAR.

 

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

I went to Wikipedia and looked up fascism.  That's where I got my info.  Considering I'm the one spelling it right, I'd have to say you're the one who doesn't know what it is.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

 Fascism is businesss run government and communism government run business. Haven't you EVER heard about that saying? Well know you have.

Hope you actually know what fascism now. Oh, here's a fun fact, fascism is the style of governance in Deus Ex. Hope that clears things up.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Congratulations! You got the spelling right.

ZAR.

 

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Seconded

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Thems fighting words! Let me at her, I'll knock that old bat right on her ass... oh no! Look what years of playing violent video games has turned me into.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Can't we have some analysis on the effects of video games on people that don't come from any strongly biased sources? This includes both pentagenarian-and-older lobbying groups AND video game organizations. I just want a clean, neutral take on the the whole situation. Someone that can be the referee on both sides.

GameSnooper

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Its interesting how almost everybody objects to big government and want goverment off their backs. But then you get these fruitcakes practically demanding that the government blocks and bans what THEY think is offensive and inappropriate with no consideration for the opinions for others. So they want no governement intervention except to make decisions that they should be making for themselves and not forcing government to make for them AND EVERYONE ELSE.

For those who are offedned by everything they see and hear....The most effective form of protest is: DON'T WATCH! DON'T LISTEN! DON'T BUY!

"With free speech either all of it is ok or none of it is." Kyle Broflovski

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

My only response: if you don't want your children to play violent games, then don't let them play violent games. Unless controlling your children is also against your values.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Funny, I blame bad grades, violent behavior, poor graduation rates and school shootings on ignorant, gun-toting super-conservatism.  

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

That's a little unfair. What about the ignorant, blame-passing super-liberals who believe the government should take care of everything and that no one should have any personal responsibility? They'd like to use video games as a scapegoat just as much as the super-conservatives.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

It seems to me the term "personal responsiblity" often means "I don't want regulations on my business so I can do whatever I want, but as soon as things go wrong I'll whine to the government."

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Unfortunately, it often does. Obama really should have just let the auto companies fall. If we had decent, intelligent politicians, we might have a system where everyone is responsible for his or her own actions and reaps the benefits or suffers the consequences accordingly without government intervention.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

 Those "ignorant" "blame-passing" "super-liberals" (You know, if there were any liberal politicians in America) generally take some form of priority on fixing those grades, violent behaviours (In other countries), and graduation rates (Republicans aren't ignorant? As if they were the ones to advance social policy).

Also you must be mistaken. Republicans blame democrats for everything. They blamed them for 9/11, the economy, crime, abortion, everything. Hell, there are still some republicans who blame Carter for cryin' out loud. But they both support some form of legislation on video games.

/This of course all from politicians

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

If you can call what they do "fixing." I've yet to see them "fix" anything; they just like to throw money at it and assume it sorts itself out.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Thus, Barack Obama as of late.

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

I love it when people complain about the youth disobeying "authority", because you can always tell that they think they're the authority.

Re: The Eagle Forum is equivalent to the Mentally Challenged

"What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

This best sums up the biggest pile of bullshit ever written by a bunch of delusional weirdos who deserve to be locked up in a mental health facility and the key thrown into liquid nitrogen.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: The Eagle Forum is equivalent to the Mentally ...

I need to save that quote.  There are stories on this site frequently enough that deserve to be Billy Madison'ed.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

So if I asked her if she wants to play some multiplayer in GTA4 she would then respond by attacking me?

So they are really saying that it is Ok to brutalize gamers. Way to care about public morals, you inciters of violence!

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Wow....

 

Seriously?  These people are that stupid that they rambled on with that kind of crap? "role playing games and murderous rampages" or whatever it was they said was pretty damn funny..I remember playing legend of gaia in high school and never went on a murder rampage.

once again just more ignorant crap rambled on by idiots who dont know what is going on today and just want to go back to the leave it to beaver era

 

 

i'm going to go kill people now in call of duty 4 online

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

If you are so concern about kids, then maybe save the kids who are involve in actual violence instead of kids doing virtual violence. I guess that makes too much sense.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

You know, everytime some group that has Psycotic comments like the eagle foum(that have no business dealing with california's shennigans if it weren't enough for the SCOTUS) the SCOTUS appeal comes crashing down(Just like JT's appeal)

In my opinion (even with the eagle forum getting involved in a non-issue) It'll fail because of it's friovolusioty, psycoticness(espically the California AG and Eagle forum) not cost-effectiveness(pork barrel spending, just like the louisanna law) and unable to provide the aduquate forces to fine them

fair warning, even with the video game law, they're already bankrupt(to begin with) due to wasteful pork

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Video Games Are Equivalent to Fighting Words, ...

Dear Eagle Forum,

Please stop it.

Love, David

 
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