Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

July 1, 2009 -

The on-again, off-again July 4th debate between disbarred Miami attorney Jack Thompson and gamer/attorney Mark Methenitis is apparently back on.

The debate, planned for this weekend's SGC09 in Dallas, went off the rails rather suddenly yesterday morning when Thompson complained to event host Screw Attack (and cc'd GamePolitics) that:

  • he objected to a one- or two-line introduction ("I have never been introduced with 1 or 2 sentences.  Nobody can be introduced in that fashion...")
  • he objected to a user-created parody video posted (and since removed) on the Screw Attack site; Thompson may have believed the video, "Questions Not to Ask Jack Thompson" at SGC," was official Screw Attack content

After posting a story detailing Thompson's assertion that he was canceling his appearance, GamePolitics rather unexpectedly found itself in the middle of a day-long flurry of e-mails between Screw Attack personnel and Thompson. Event organizers were clearly seeking to assuage Thompson's concerns and salvage the debate. By late Tuesday afternoon, it appeared that Thompson, who is apparently under contract and being paid $2,000 for his appearance, was softening his position after receiving assurances from Screw Attack Program Director Craig Skistimas.

As recently as this morning, however, Thompson demanded that a post by a Screw Attack user be removed. While it was not taken down, the author, who was also behind the parody video that Thompson found offensive, e-mailed the disbarred attorney a lengthy apology; that seemed to satisfy Thompson.

Next, Thompson e-mailed Skistimas a "proposed text" to be used as his introduction at the debate. The 12-sentence intro mentioned his 2008 lifetime disbarment very briefly, referring to it as "illegal" and blaming the loss of his law license on "lawyers for Take-Two, the makers of the Grand Theft Auto games."

GP asked Skistimas whether the introduction would actually be used at SGC09. Skistimas told us, "I have yet to review his intro but Jack and I will work together to find an intro that fits both his needs and the time format of the debate at SGC."

A conference call between Thompson and the Screw Attack team planned for noon today was canceled when the parties decided in late morning that the debate was back on and Thompson was satisified.

Skistimas also said that the site would release a video tomorrow to reinforce the fact that Thompson will appear at SGC09.


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Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

Awwwww I missed Captain Jack's antics of stupidity? How is the old disbarred basket case doing? :P Still believe his sanity is waning more and more each day...

I see he tried a full out attack in the article. I really wish Marzgirl didn't have to "apologize" to him. However whatever gets this back on track so he can be trashed in the debate this weekend by a logical and sane individual...I am all for it!

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Hi Jack long time no see. Just wanted you to know that your pompous ego of your's is really getting old. So please blow it out your A**. Also Please keep you crazed religous beliefs to yourself.  Personally I think you need to give up and move on.

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Well, for a narcicist egomaniac like you, yeah, is pretty short...

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Brief? Don't make me laugh. the very definition of brief is "using few words; concise; succinct"

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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After all that Jack's said and done, I have no problem whatsoever with him showing up, being insulted in some way, then leaving and claiming some kind of victory. Seriously, the man needs to be made fun of in a public manner as much as possible, and it's not like he ever actually wins anything regardless of the circumstances.

Whether he's treated civilly or poorly, the end result is the same: Jack Thompson runs his mouth. I'd much prefer it if he does so while extremely pissed off that someone actually dared to give him exactly what he deserves.

And to those who will inevitably disagree:

...and applauded when a voice actor on a video game was injured in a terrorist attack.

That alone keeps me from understanding how you could ever do so. Seriously, no one who acts like that should even be cosidered for what's supposed to be a civil and constructive function.

It continues to boggle my mind that credible people wish to engage that asshole in any way other than telling him to shut the fuck up.

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"Anyone who says as much as 'You fool' will be subject to the fires of hell. (Matthew 5:22)

this shows how "christian" Jack really is

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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Comment FTW.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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I have an introduction for him

 

This man needs no introduction.  2008 Disbarred attorney of the year, the Jack-ass himself, Jack "Eagle shit" Thompson.

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anyone else think they are humoring him and the main reason its back on track is because they pointed to the contract he signed

seriously if i was planning a convention and got jt to debate id make him sign a contract barring him from his usual schenanigans (cancleing over something minor, showing up but then walking of stage when he's asked a hardball question, and insulting the audence and leaveing when the react) i would not let jack get off with a we fly you over, you show at the con, we pay you deal

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Hey Jack, did you bully kids in school like this?

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Screw Attack did not cave to Thompson and pull the video.  It was voluntarily removed by the user who created it.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Exposed for or as what?

 

Andrew Eisen

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juries wont meet with your demands, because they don't negotiate with terrorists

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.  On one hand, for once JT is locked into a debate with a qualified opponent and can't wlech out of it at the eleventh hour like he's done in the past.  On the other hand, I don't think ScrewAttack should have bent over backwards to accomodate him.  But I'm guessing they must have paid their $2,000 in advance and are determined to get their money's worth.  Still, if they think it means that much to them, they need to reevaluate their priorities.

Unfortunately I didn't get to see Marzgurl's video before it was pulled, so I can't make an informed opinion on it.  I can only say that if it was juvenile, well, JT really invites that on himself and shouldn't be surprised.  If Fred Phelps were asked to speak at a gay event, he'd most likely provoke the same sort of response from those in the gay community.

Like JDKJ, I wouldn't be surprised if ScrewAttack pressured Marzgurl to issue some sort of apology, as she doesn't seem to be the kind of person who would do so of her own accord.  And I'll bet she typed it out while gritting her teeth all the while.  JT isn't the kind of man who deserves any kind of apology whatsoever.  I've seen her other videos on Youtube, however, and I think she's pretty cool, not to mention cute. (Marzgurl, if you're reading this, I'm available.  If you ever visit the east coast, let's hook up!)

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For what it's worth, Marzgurl posted in her forum on ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com(aka The Nostalgia Critic's website) that she'll talk about this after the convention ends.

I didn't see the video either, but I don't see any need to apologize for just saying that everyone that's going to the debate should be on their best behavior. It's not her or ScrewAttack's fault that Thompson wouldn't know what 'context' means even if it landed on his face and started to wiggle.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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That was the main point of the video, but she used the whole video to verbally insult JT.  Now, you'd think that JT would be used to that by now, but he's been in the driver's seat since he agreed in the first place.  The video itself would probably have been fine, too, if it weren't posted on SA's website.  As I have mentioned earlier, SA having the video posted puts out a percieved bias against JT, which the host of a debate shouldn't be doing.  As such, JT whined, as usual, and now SA has been doing damage control to keep this debate going.

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I look at it this way:

1) So what if the video was "insulting" him? If they were really "insulting" Thompson, then he got off very light considering that he's called every gamer "Hilter Youth", "drug-addicted", etc.; compared the former head of the ESA to Saddam Hussein and Joesph Goebbels; compared the release of the PS2 to Pearl Harbor; and recently compared GTAIV to polio. Not to mention made fun of two people's deaths and applauded when a voice actor on a video game was injured in a terrorist attack. He was given a taste of his own medicine as far as I'm concerned.

2) What "perceived" "bias"? Everybody involved with ScrewAttack were essentially saying the same thing she was(be cordial to the guests or you get thrown out).

The only claim of "bias" is that it's a debate on video game issues by two personalities most associated with video games(one more well known than the other) at a video game convention hosted by a video game oriented site. Mark Methenitis, then, already has "home-field advantage". It's like playing for the college football National Championship in Miami and playing against a team from Florida(or in New Orleans against LSU).

The bottom line is Jacky Boy was whining over nothing. There was more bias on the vast majority of his TV appearances.

To me, the debate won't matter in the long run, especially it's not being televised anywhere(If it were at E3 or P.A.X. or Comic-Con in San Diego, it'd be a much bigger deal) and especially considering that Thompson's appearance on Penn & Teller: Bullshit! next Thursday will end up being the death knell to his infinitestimal credibility.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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actually you did, and they're still on GamePolitics. Checkmate!

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

So what did the Metropolitian Moron of Miami post in response to my above comment?

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

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I'd love to see the sources to your first point - NOT that I don't believe you, I just would like to have them on hand as references for JT's madness. :)

Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

Just check his wikiquote.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson

 

Not only it gives a LOT of quotes (more than 300), but most (if not all) are listed with their sources.

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As I stare into this abyss of madness, I feel it staring back into me ...

PS - I love reading the remainder of this thread with the deleted comments from the disbarred attorney in (I missed the originals). Filling in the blanks is fun!

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Man, I don't get how someone as old as Thompson can behave in such an arrogant and juvenile method. Almost anybody who has or had a white collar job behaves much more amicably. Thompson's bullshit just boggles my mind; I can't even imagine acting like him to ANYONE.

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Its the same as when pullings got all that publicity when she was going after d&d. She claimed there was a threat and blamed it for the deaths of children much like jack is doing. Claimed it was a serious threat to our safety both directly and indirectly much like what jack is doing. Claimed that children were more vulnerable to the damaging effects and were drawn to it more than adults again much like what jack is doing. Pretty much just go back and look at the d&d controversy in the late 80s early 90s and you will find it is almost exactly the same.

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You're not wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Pulling

I actually never heard of her - probably because I'm a Brit - so I guess she was the main source of the anti-D&D campaigns years ago, I just read about vague accusations of witchcraft and the occult (And that parody of what D&D is actually like that went around years ago) but ... reading this, it's unbelievable.

As you said, the parallels to JT are amazing:
- A delusional self-belief that X product directly causes (or caused) tragedy Y. Both feel they are the moral crusader who has to save America from it.
- Generally extreme views and an association with conservative Christians.
- At least several failed lawsuits.
- An utter disregard for a balanced, rational view of the truth, with wild accusations, made-up facts and flawed percentages.
- Ended up on talk shows along with someone in opposition (Though this may say more about the media).
 

What a waste of everyone's time by a bunch of moral pannicking, self-righteous chumps!

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The big difference is that Jack hasn´t lost any family member. Patricia´s son commited suicide, so she at least had an excuse to be crazy.

Jack Thompson is crazy by his own choice.

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I´m sooooo scared...

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Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

it's not libel since it's true

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

Fourthed, although i will not watch it since i believe Mr. Thomson should be seen, read about, but not heard

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You should watch it if for no other reason than to have more material to make Thompson jokes. And don['t refer to him as mr. he doesn't deserve that much respect.

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Don't even cal him Jack, just Thompson will do.

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true christians bow down to no man, but I'll most certainly call you 'high'.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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Please I beg you gp. Get us a full video of this debate.

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Thirded!

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MarzGurl doesn't write articles for the site, she's a reader who posted a video (that remains) on YouTube. And what's to apologize for, telling people to be civil and NOT call you names? certainly reflects what Jesus said in Matthew 5:22.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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Seconded!

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Re: Jack Thompson Debate Back On at SGC09

They need to cancel the debate on the grounds of his utter ridculous, lie-ladden, and potentially libelous "suggested" intro.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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No.  This debate needs to go forward.  It needs to be seen by as many people as possible.  This will allow all of the people in state and federal governments to see just how much of a retarded Charlatain he is, thereby killing any amount of repect anyone may still have for him.  It will also be used as a reason to not listen to any whackjob who tries to say gaming needs to be restricted "for the children."

 

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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And make $2000 in the process.  Thereby allowing him to continue to exploit the dead for his own financial and political gain.  And on top of that with his irritating childish requests he is trying to get Screwattack to kowtow to him so that he can gain an upper hand on the debate.  And if they continue to allow him his every request no one will find out that he is a moronic fearmonger.  He is attempting to turn this into his personal soap box, and Screwattack seems to be allowing him.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

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I highly doubt they'll bow to him anymore than they have already.

 
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