If a Pirated Song = $80K, What is the Value of a Pirated Game?

July 2, 2009 -

In a recent, highly-publicized court decision, music industry lobbying group the RIAA won an eye-popping $1.92 million verdict against Jammie Thomas-Rasset (left) of Minnesota. That works out to $80,000 per song for each of the 24 tunes that the 32-year-old mother of four was accused of sharing.

How might such a case work out for someone accused of file-sharing video games?

Not well, according to gamer/attorney Mark Methenitis. In his Law of the Game column on Joystiq

If we assume [the Thomas-Rasset verdict] is allowed to stand, the possible implication is that the individual works that comprise the greater work that is a video game could be each pursued individually. So, for example, if you pirate a copy of Guitar Hero 4, you're not only liable for the piracy of the game, but also the piracy of the 86 included music tracks. So, keeping the value at $80,000 per work, your total bill would be $6.96 million. That's only 116,000 times the $60 retail value of the game...

 

It seems likely that a better balance will need to be struck... Is the solution to make small time, individual piracy the speeding ticket of the 21st century, punished with a stinging slap on the wrist when caught? Perhaps...

As for Jammie Thomas-Rasset, her comment on the verdict was, "Good luck getting it from me." Meanwhile, the RIAA has filed some 30,000 similar lawsuits around the United States.


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The possible implication is that the individual works that comprise the greater work that is a video game could be each pursued individually. So, for example, if you pirate a copy of Guitar Hero 4, you're not only liable for the piracy of the game, but also the piracy of the 86 included music tracks.

But it wouldn't!  No way would any court interpret it that way.  Guitar Hero is clearly a single "work".  Even the RIAA argued that the reason for such a large value was because this would be the cost of a licence to distribute the songs.  A licence to distribute a game would obviously be comparable.

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Not necessarily.  That's why, if you have Rock Band 1 and 2, you need to pay a fee to be able to play Rock Band 1 songs on Rock Band 2, due to licensing issues.  Depending on the wording of the license, it is very possible that you'd get slapped with 87 counts of piracy instead of 1.

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Any halfway competent legal representative would find dozens of arguments as to why a game should be considered a single work.  Otherwise Jammies Thomas would have been charged at least twice, possibly several times for each song (once for the performance, once for the copyright on the lyrics, once for the copyright on the music). 

This didn't happen.  Presumably there's a reason for this. 

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So the RIAA is suing people for millions of dollars for illegally downloading music, in an effort to encourage people to buy their music?

If the RIAA keeps doing this, there wont be any customers left! 

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Wow... I suppose it's easy to say "she broke the law, she should suffer for it" when speaking about someone else.  I imagine that is good ole' Austin were fined a million dollars for jaywalking, he might have a different opinion.

It's also easy to speak of laws and justice and equality and all that when you are not the one in question.  If Brad Pitt had done this exact same crime, we would never have heard about it, because either he would have just paid up, or the record company execs would have fallen all over themselves asking for autographs and gushing over how great it is that he loves their product enough to steal it.  These companies go after impoverished nobodies presicesly becasue there is no equality- someone without the resources to fight back can be abused and made an example of.  They are trying to scare the piss out of the rest of us, and using people like her to do it.

If something is unjust, you don't just say "oh well, that's the way it is".  You call it out and work to change it.  That applies to laws, as well.

BTW, if my understanding is correct, the $2000 offer was before she appealed, and is now off the table.  If I am wrong, Im sure someone will inform me.

Should she have taken it?  Probably.  Her decision might have been influenced by the fact that she didn't have it, and didn't believe a jury would rule against her.  I doubt she is a hero standing up for injustice.  She knew she was sharing files, and should have to pay up.  But 1.92 million is just all kinds of stupid.

No one here disagrees that she should be punished for her crimes.  At question is the severity of that punishment.  The law itself is broken because there is no fixed dollar amount for this crime, and thus the opportunity for abuse is inherent.  No one should be looking at the wrong end of a life ruining judgement for what boils down to a very minor offense. 

 

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Nobody here is arguing that she should fork over the 1.92 mil.  However, because she didn't pay the settlement (which I am led to believe is still on the table), she is looking at bankruptcy no matter what.  She wouldn't have been able to pay the first fine, much less this one.  If she apeals the fine amount, they'll most likely just make it the first one.  They sure as hell won't make it only two grand.

As for the law itself, it should be fixed.  It should be stated point blank what a song is worth.  However, here is where you get into all kinds of trouble.  Music is considered an art form.  Therefore, it is worth only what the owner of the IP says it's worth.  If you put an arbitrary number for the worth of any form of IP, you then have blanket ability to assign an arbitrary number to any other form of IP.  Now, the worth of a product is being designated by the government, not the market.  That's Communism, my friends, something America is not a part of (unless Barack Obama gets his way, of course).  Anyway, no artist would submit to the government telling them what their work is worth, whether or not the RIAA gives them money.

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Copy right is inane vanity they can't be perfect they can't have absolute power over every little thing people do with it. Because its become a slow crack filled monolithic beast it should be ignored...least up till selling bootlegs since the probability of getting in trouble for that is rather high.

 


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I'm impressed we got this far and no-one has responded thusly to the title:

It's over 9000!!

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Your impression is not warranted.

Just because a number is greater than {9.00 * 10^3} (based upon equation | 9000 < z|) does not mean that anyone needs to yell an antiquated phrase from a shoddily produced anime. YOU were the one who did this evil task, and I lay the blame squarely at your feet, good sir. That phrase was annoying 5 months ago, please update the phrases you repeat verbatim.

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" Pinky: "I think so, Brain, but we're already naked."

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LOL

Though, I'll point out that using the phrase once in about 3 years doesn't exactly make it verbatim :P

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Of course it's verbatim.  You repeated the quote exactly as it appeared in the source material.

Now, once in three years is not excessive, or overplayed, for you personally, but it -is- a verbatim quote! *grin*

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The law is the same for pirated games, so the worth of a pirated game is the same.

$750 - $150K per "work".

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Ugh, I don't care what anyone says, in today's economy, any of those amounts can be life ruining. Anyone who says otherwise is either apathetic, or is still financially well off.

Enjoying an art form without payment these days can land one with heavy fines or in prison, and that is just ridiculous. At this rate we are getting dangeroulsy close to a point where any store or mall that has music will have agents of the RIAA following customers around with calculator tallying up how much the customer will owe them upon leaving.

Such things de-legitimize music as an art form and legitimize it as just a cash comodity.

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This is unfortunately what our current culture is leading to. We have to pay for more and more of the things we once could do for free. Did you know, that in Ottawa, the capitol of Canada, the home of Hockey, they banned people from playing hockey in the street? Street hockey has been a tradition for GENERATIONS, literally since the damn game was invented. Now, you must go to designated areas to play hockey, many of which cost money.

This is why gaming has become so popular: it is an easily accessed and relatively cheap hobby, even compared to sports. Basically put, we're having fun, so some corporations have got to put their feet down and put an end to that.

On an unrelated note, here in Canada, we also pay a fee on top of the regular price + taxes for ALL RECORDABLE CDs we buy. It goes directly to the music industry's lobby group. In protest, I no longer buy music. I haven't bought a CD in years, and I'm proud of it.

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 I live in Ottawa, and I've never heard of street-hockey being banned.. I also still see it. I'm not calling you a liar, but merely showing my shock at this. I'm not sure I want to investigate further because I'm sure it will just anger me..

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stupidity all around.

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It's times like this that I really wish the 8th amendment clause of 'excessive fines shall not be imposed' applied to civil cases.

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People of all sides would never allow that, because you wouldn't be able to sue a doctor for billions because he accidentally perscribed the wrong cough medicine.

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Dethklok had it right.

Screw the money, they'll just skip right on to putting you in a dungeon for all eternity!

I mean, you downloaded one of their songs.

For that, a fate worse than death itself.

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Commercial music is like your genitals...if you try to display it to the public, it's considered illegal. It sounds like keeping music is worse than keeping pornography, in that they want to make you feel ashamed for showing it.

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I wish sharing your musically tastes was illegal. Man some of the must played from tinny car stereos is bad.

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What if you download a song that's in a game you own? Technically you already paid for it when you bought the game, so they can't say you pirated it.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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I Download but don't share. It's free. Enjoy. They make there millions already.

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I just love how songs suddenly bloat to thousands of times their original value when someone steals them.

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 When you break a law, you are subject to fines.  You can be fined 500 dollars for throwing trash out of your car on the highway.  You can be fined 1000 to 8000 dollars for speeding (1000 is for 20mph+ over the speed limit, 8000 is for speeding in a construction area).  You can be fined 125 to 250 dollars for jaywalking.  So how is her being fined 2000 dollars for WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY BREAKING THE GODDAMN LAW 'ridiculous'?  She broke the law 24 times.  That evens out to a little less than a 100 dollars per instance.

Where the hell are you living that fines are that high?  Random rundown of fees in Maryland.

Most registration fines: $40-60

Driving unregisted vehicle: $280

Fraud in applying for registration: $1000

Operating towtruck without registration: $3020

Running a red light: $90-140

Speeding:

1-9 over: $80

10-19: $90

20-29: $160

30-39: $290

40+: $530

In a school/construction zone, you double most of those, with 40+ being $1000 maximum.

Most Maryland Transit fines are around $40.  Urination... $120.  Carrying explosives $520.

Jaywalking: $40

So where do you live that ticket prices are that crazy and draconian?

She should've taken the $2000 judgement, but almost $2 million is entirely too high.

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The fines that Austin posted are just a little bit higher than in Minnesota (maybe 10 percent higher), so I would have to imagine that somewhere might have the exact numbers he posted.

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Yes, I too would like to know where Austin is pulling these numbers from.  As a fellow Maryland resident I can fully back up what you say; having recieved a few speeding tickets of my own since I've lived here (hey, nobody's perfect!).  I've also had a couple when I lived in New Jersey, and while they were a bit higher, they were still nowhere near that draconian.

Seriously, though, even though she broke the law, and even if the RIAA was willing to settle, doesn't anyone else here think that $1.92 million is a wee bit excessive?  I can't think of anyone outside of a government that could pony up that kind of money on their own.  And considering the state of the economy, I think even our own government would be hard-pressed to cough that up these days.  NO ONE really deserves that much punishment.

And even though her response on the face of it may be flip and arrogant, I think both she and the RIAA both realize they don't fully expect her to pay up on it any more than the 14-year-old girl the RIAA sued earlier.  She may pay something, but I think ultimately the RIAA is going to end up eating most of it and they know it.

And really, do the record companies seriously expect to quash this kind of activity by slamming people with such exorbitant fines?  As the technology of file sharing becomes more and more pervasive (and it will, given what I know of trends in technology and human nature), this sort of thing will only become more common, not less.  The record companies are - both literally and figuratively - dinosaurs.  And just like a dinosaur, they're already dead or dying, but they don't realize it yet because the signal being transmitted along the nervous system saying "give up and die now" is taking a while and hasn't reached their brain yet.  I think Methenitis' proposal is on the money, and if the record companies want to evolve adn adpat, they'll adopt it.  They'll die and become extinct if they don't.

And even if the record comapnies aren't that evil, at the end of the day, they're still only in it for themselves.  Despite what Lars Ulrich and other artists may have said, the record companies have fucked over just as many artists as they have consumers.  They don't care about anyone, really.

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Besides, I doubt any of us who the recession is REALLY effecting much care if a band has to get a smaller private jet, or if a record exec has to resort ot lighting his cigars with a match insteaf of a hundred collar bill

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On a related note, How much would pirated porn cost?

If pirating movies, music, and video games are so detrimental to the industry why isnt the porn industry doing the same? If anything, the piracy of porn is comparable to any other form of pirated media. So why havent the porn industry started suing people?

I know the porn industry was following along with DRM and thy want to stop the piracy of their product but I have not really seen any action taken on their part.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/09/porn-industry-hard-up-fo...

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The porn industry doesn't want to be involved in too many legal battles, because it could possibly be used as a precursor to government control over their industry.  If you think about it, it makes sense, since it isn't totally unheard of to have minors act in legitimate porn.

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I don't pirate things or steal things that don't belong to me (i.e. I'm not the original owner of). Still, I use youtube, myspace, facebook, google and internet explorer etc.

I don't have a problem with the RIAA asking for 2000-5000 US Dollars to make this thing go away; I do care about PRIVATE organizations taking on the investigations that the government should be making e.g. investigating possible illegal download and distributing illegally obtained music files for example.

2000 US dollars for distributing 24 music files seems to be an OK fine to me. However, the point still stands; there are laws that say that must pay X amount of money for illegally downloading a music file (a song) and X amount of money for sharing these music files.

If it were me, I'd taken the settlement...

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Exactly my, and I think Austin's, point.

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The problem from the companies' end seems to be a bad case of "I am justice." Pardon my dorky Death Note reference.

I do like the EFF's solution to the music thing.

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Would have preferred a Judge Dredd reference, but that'll do.

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This is the dumbest bitch of all time for two reasons.

1.  She appealed the original, much cheaper, decision.

2.  She wasted money on the court case, even after the RIAA has already said they would settle out of court for 2000 to 5000 dollars.  In other words, she's going to be bankrupt soon, all because she thought courts would decide against rightful copyright holders.

I hope she loses out, and I really think she ought be driven into bankruptcy.  That, or have her wages garnished.

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Does it feel good to be evil? Can you explain the high?

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That's a perfectly justifiable excuse to let her four children suffer. I mean, who cares about them? It's all about the RIAA getting the money they're owed: $1.92 million for 24 songs! The RIAA are the innocent party in this! They didn't act like a giant mafia gang that fucks anybody who crosses them over! They didn't sue a man, then, when he died, continue suing the rest of his family!

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Maybe she should have thought about that before she decided to pirate some songs.  Everyone knows it to be illegal, so when you do it, you're taking a risk, and YOU KNOW IT.  Oh, and by the way, learn to read; The RIAA said that they would have taken 2000 to 5000 dollars, and still will. So, really, she needs to learn to be more RESPONSIBLE.  

 

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The first case had a final fine of $220,000 from what I read.

And that still doesn't explain how you can justify how her children deserve to be punished for what she did.

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At the end of the first case, the RIAA said if you give us 2000 dollars, we'll call it even.  At the end of the 2nd case, they said if you give us 2000-5000, we'll call it even.  Hell, BEFORE the first case, they said they take 2000 and let it all go; no expensive litigation, no annoying court fees, nothing.  Just 2000 dollars.

What you're doing right now?  It's part of that fucktarded 'for the children' mentality.  She did wrong.  She DESERVES to be punished.  Her children are going to suffer for it, and it's ALL her fault.  SHE is responsible for this whole thing.  People don't magically get away with breaking laws because they have children.  That's moronic.  They don't get out of debts because they have children.  That's moronic. 

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What you're doing right now?  It's part of that fucktarded 'for the children' mentality.  She did wrong.  She DESERVES to be punished.  Her children are going to suffer for it, and it's ALL her fault.  SHE is responsible for this whole thing.  People don't magically get away with breaking laws because they have children.  That's moronic.  They don't get out of debts because they have children.  That's moronic.

This isn't some 'for the children' mentality, it's you putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying she SHOULDN'T be punished. I'm saying that $1.92 million is fucking ridiculous. And personally, I think that even $2000 is ridiculous for 24 songs. Have her reimburse them for any songs she had illegally downloaded, and that should be the end of it. It would be enough of a deterrant, and they wouldn't have to fuck her over financially, thereby causing indirect suffering for her children.

You're just one of those self-proclaimed smart people who think that stupidity should be a capital offense, never mind that your definition of stupidity is completely arbitrary.

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While I don't agree with the extremity of Austin_Lewis' post ($1.92 million is self-defeatingly too much) I have to agree with the sentiment. She knowingly broke the law by distributing music illegally, and then when she was rumbled she goaded them on. In analogue terms, she was stopped for speeding and followed it up with failure to produce her licence, resisting arrest, and finally assaulting a police officer.

She was caught for distribution, not downloading. She hasn't stolen 100MB of MP3s - a crime which gets a nasty letter from the RIAA and a threat from your ISP - but copied and supplied to countless other people. That's where the crime is, and that's why the numbers are so large.

Too large, really. You get a fine like this for distributing music and it's effectively unpayable. It'll destroy you, but the $1.92 million figure is practically nonsensical. If, on the other hand, they started fining people (say) $10 per song and such fines were fully enforced, people would think twice about sharing their collection of 200 tracks. $2000 is a measurable threat that sounds reasonable; you can actually imagine receiving a fine for it. A demand for $1.92 million is something few people would ever think of arriving on their doorstep.

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I'm not saying she shouldn't be punished, but extreme measures has NEVER been in the best interest of anyone.

Yes, she was stupid. Yes, she broke the law. But just going "Fuck her, I hope she kills herself and rots in hell after they take every last cent from her" is just plain ridiculous. These laws are a deterrant. Failing that, they are a means to teach lessons to people so they don't do the same thing again. This wasn't some unspeakable crime, and people like Austin_Lewis are acting like Judge Dredd and saying that these people don't deserve second chances - for incredibly minor offenses. That's fucking sociopathic.

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Agreed there. But, she does deserve more than a slap on the wrist, for the very reason that she was offered a slap on the wrist and refused to accept it. She was given a second chance, and apparently a third too. They then somehow forgot how to count and jumped straight to the penalty for the 800th chance.

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I'm not sure this should be in RIAA's hands at all. If you rob a bank, do you get sued by the bank? 

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In a civil suit, you could be sued by the bank, or by the individuals whose property you stole (assuming you went and robbed safe deposit boxes).  The felony crime is considered a crime against that state the bank is in, or the federal government if it's FDIC insured.  However, IP laws and the like are far stranger.

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I love Austin's logic. She broke the law so she should be punished. End of story....... Classic Conservative.

 

The point is that the law is fucking dumb, not that she didn't comit a 'crime'. She did obviously no one is denying that but we can sure as fuck call shenanigans on the law. It is rather absurd.

I love it how these industry types really push the artistic integrety of their enterprise, and then proceed to squeeze every fucking dollar out of it.

Art shouldn't have to be paid for end of story.

If the big shots (as well as many of the artists) actually really cared about their shit, they wouldn't charge nearly as much for it....... Yes im aware that their might be claim to some small amounts of money that are actually needed for the time/investment of the artwork in question, but that doesnt justify mansions and excesive lifestyles.

So Austin yes you are right, she did break the law. But what a dumb fucking stupid evil law.

Thats my rant for the day.

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"Art shouldn't have to be paid for end of story."

Pretty strong statement. Perhaps made by someone who doesn't have to live by the sale of their own creative work?

I'm not musician, but I've made my living as visual artist, designer and writer all my relatively long life. So when someone takes my work without paying for it, whether it be an art reproduction I've offered for sale (which has happened), or posts an unauthorized scan of a work, or reuses a piece of my work in a publication without paying for it, or pirates a copy of a game which I worked on (stealing from my employer who then has less income to pay may salary) they are stealing directly from me. If over the top fines are what it takes to make folks think before they steal, then I'm for it.

With some exceptions, art is expensive to create, regardless of exactly what form it takes. Tools, workspace, time expended to create, supporting people, supplies used, costs paid to display or sell, manufacturing costs of media etc. For artists to be able to perform professinally as artists and have careers doing so, those needs must be met. Otherwise, they cease to be able to work at what they do. And their ability to create art may go away.

Artists may choose to distribute their work for free, but that is their decision (or the decision of those to whom rights to art have been assigned). When you go against those wishes and steal a copy or make it available for redistribution with no compensation to the artist or rightsholder, then you're a thief and the scale of your activity should define your punishment.

I speak in general for all arts (not just music, or visual arts), but for professional quality Art to continue to be available, Art has to be paid for. End of story.

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Yes, God forbid that people be punished when they do something wrong.  How terrible a system.  Hammurabi was a complete dick, no doubt.

Oh, so now we don't have to deal with punishments from laws we consider stupid?  Awesome.  I'm never paying another goddamn speeding ticket.  Oh wait, society doesn't work that way?  Crazy.

I love how the artists are crap anyway.  If they really cared about their artistic integrity, they'd A) Play their own music live (lookin at you Green Day) B) stop all the ridiculous posturing (Green Day again) and C) not sell out to big soul-less corporations.  That's why it's such a treat to go to smaller shows (Unknown Hinson, Flogging Molly, Dropkick Murphys, Street Dogs).  However, the vast majority of these 'artists' are doing it for the MONEY, so they don't really care if they keep creative control of their music.

Once again, it doesn't really mater that the law was stupid.  It's still a law.  Jaywalking laws are stupid laws, but they're still there, and you can still get fucked over for breaking them.  Hell, a lot of states still have ridiculous laws on the book, but they're still the law (just unenforced).

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I think you confuse blind obediance for patriotism. If the law said we should jump off a cliff would you do it? Point is some laws are meant to be broken. When an eye for an eye turns into an eye for your bloody head someone needs to speak up. This brave little lady did, a 21st century martyr.

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PHX Corp@Adam802 We'll break out the popcorn in June12/19/2014 - 9:23pm
ZippyDSMleeMaskedPixelante: I'm itching to start it too but I will wait till the patch goes live. >>12/19/2014 - 7:52pm
Adam802Leland Yee and Jackson get trial date: http://sfbay.ca/2014/12/18/leland-yee-keith-jackson-get-trial-date/12/19/2014 - 5:24pm
MaskedPixelanteNevermind. Turns out when they said "the patch is now live", they meant "it's still in beta".12/19/2014 - 5:07pm
MaskedPixelanteSo I bought Dark Souls PC, and it's forcing me to log into GFWL. Did I miss something?12/19/2014 - 5:00pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/republicans-may-have-plan-to-save-internet-providers-from-utility-rules/ this is intreasting. congress may put net nutrality in to law to avoid title 2 classification12/19/2014 - 2:45pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.polygon.com/2014/12/19/7421953/bullshit-cards-against-humanity-donated-250k-sunlight-foundation I have to admit I like the choice o organization. congrats to CAH.12/19/2014 - 1:51pm
E. Zachary KnightIf you are downloading a copy in order to bypass the DRM, then you are legally in the wrong. Ethically, if you bought the game, it doesn't matter where you download it in the future.12/19/2014 - 12:06pm
InfophileEZK: Certainly better that way, though not foolproof. Makes me think though: does it count as piracy if you download a game you already paid for, just not from the place you paid for it at? Ethically, I'd say no, but legally, probably yes.12/19/2014 - 11:20am
ZippyDSMleeAnd I still spent 200$ in the last month on steam/GOG stuff sales get me nearly every time ><12/19/2014 - 10:55am
ZippyDSMleeMaskedPixelante:And this is why I'm a one legged bandit.12/19/2014 - 10:51am
ZippyDSMleeE. Zachary Knight: I buy what I can as long as I can get cracks for it...then again it I could have gotton Lords of the Fallen for 30 with DLC I would have ><12/19/2014 - 10:50am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/12/19/marvel-vs-capcom-origins-leaving-online-storefronts-soon/ Speaking of "last chance to buy", Marvel vs. Capcom Origins is getting delisted from all major storefronts. Behold the wonders of the all digital future.12/19/2014 - 9:59am
MaskedPixelanteSeriously, the so-called "Last Chance" sale was up to 80% off, while this one time only return sale goes for a flat 85% off with a 90% off upgrade if you buy the whole catalogue.12/19/2014 - 9:37am
E. Zachary KnightInfophile, Tha is why I buy only DRM-free games.12/19/2014 - 9:37am
MaskedPixelanteNordic is back on GOG for one weekend only. And at 85% off no less, which is kind of a slap in the face to people who paid more during the "NORDIC IS LEAVING FOREVER BUY NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE" sale, but whatever...12/19/2014 - 9:28am
InfophileRe PHX's link: This is one of the reasons the digital revolution isn't all it's cracked up to be. There's also the flip side where Sony can block access to games you've bought if they ban your account for unrelated reasons. All power is theirs.12/19/2014 - 8:52am
MaskedPixelantehttp://uplay.ubi.com/#!/en-US/events/uplay-15-days You can win FREE GAMES FOR A YEAR! Unfortunately, they're Ubisoft games.12/18/2014 - 6:29pm
Papa MidnightAh, so it was downtime. I've been seeing post appear in my RSS feed, but I was unable to access GamePolitics today across several ISPs.12/18/2014 - 6:06pm
james_fudgeSorry for the downtime today, folks.12/18/2014 - 5:54pm
 

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