Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

July 10, 2009 -

Over at Law of the Game, gamer/attorney Mark Methenitis writes about his recent debate with Jack Thompson at SGC09.

Mark also notes that video of the debate will be available at the ScrewAttack site next week. Along that line, ScrewAttack Program Director Craig Skistimas told GamePolitics earlier this week that video of Thompson's open forum Q&A session will be available as well. Here's what Mark had to say about the debate:

For those who didn't make it out to SGC, the event was outstanding, and the entire ScrewAttack crew deserves any and all praises you may have seen on their forums about the event. I also really appreciate Jack for making the trip out to the convention and participating in the debate.

In the meantime, Mark points to a clip of the debate's final seven minutes as well as some on-camera, post-debate comments he made to Late Night JengaJam.


Comments

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

If JT was going to do his usual Jelkyl/Hyde attitude, I hope Mark actually gets to see what JT really is...Cause im think after the interviews.

JT was probably mocking MM behind his back.

Magic Taco

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

I know he did that to Lorne Lanning after the debate he had with im at the '07 VGXpo.  He was cordial and respectful to him in person, but months later in antoehr interview he referred to him and other video game developers as "creeps".  Here's what he said about him the an interview the Spawnkill wesbite did with him.

"I’m called a “massacre chaser” by Lorne Lanning and other creepy ghouls-simply because I am trying to stop these massacres. The game industry is littered with massacre pimps, which is exactly what Lanning and others are."

Wow, Jack.  Just wow.  I'm sure Lorne would love to hear about this especially since he thought you were so polite at the debate.  Just so you know, Lorne's got more personal integrity in his little finger than you've got in your whole goddamned body!

Here's the link to the whole interview.  Thompson damns himself with his own words yet again.  Scream and threaten me all you want, Jack.  You said these things, not me.  It's not slander or libel if it's true.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Interesting to note that, in that interview, he is 'predicting' that the President will issue a total ban on games, when, in the letter to Obama I posted earlier, he was requesting exactly that...

There's a name for people who try to create a dilemma in order to offer themselves up as the saviour to it.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

quit with the crap....

just come out and say he's legally insane

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Problem is, if I thought that Thompson, for one minute, was actually going to act that civilised for the entirety of the issue, then he'd be a lot more accepted and probably still have his law license and be an effective lawyer.

True, because of his position, he will never be accepted as some kind of 'buddy' of Video Gamers, but the problem is, I just know that, give it a few days or a few weeks,and we will see a re-emergence of the violent, hate-spewing vindictiveness that is Thompson's usual M.O.

One minute the children are 'poor helpless victims', but when he's actually talking to these 'helpless victims', they are 'drug addled, brain-fried murderous psychopaths who deserve the death sentence'

So props to Mark, and to Jack, for holding a civilised debate, but the last 5 years have proved that Jack Thompson being civilised to an opponent is very very much the exception rather than the rule.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to say that I simply find it impossible to believe that Thompson is not out to 'ban' games, I quote directly from a recent letter from Thompson to the President:

'If the video game industry will not do what is necessary to keep killer games out of the hands of impressionable kids, whom neuroscience proves are the most likely to copycat these virtual reality killing scenarios, then we must implement, as a society, a total ban on the consumption of these murder simulators by adults and kids alike.'

(Source - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3223 - Terrible colour choices btw)

That doesn't sound like 'not out to ban' to me...

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Thompson has actually tried to keep games off of store shelves.  Bully, for example.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Wasn't that one more because he thought that the kiddies would catch "teh gay" because the main character kisses a boy at some point in the story?

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

In truth, that was sort of a 'back-up' plan, his original claim before the court was the Bully was a 'Columbine Simulator' and would cause thousands of cases of catapult attacks (still waiting for this to happen). After he'd been knocked back by the judge. he discovered that the main character could kiss other boys and, being Thompson, blew a gasket.

 

Edit: As Andrew demonstrated as I was typing the post... :)

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

"...Bully will lead to increased bullying in our schools... Marketing and selling a school bullying virtual reality simulator to school children... is preparing at-risk students here and elsewhere for another Columbine."

"When kids start showing up in ERs with slingshot wounds at the hands of Bully enthusiasts, don't blame me."

After he failed to get the game declared a public nuisance, he then equated the game to porn:

"It turns out that the school violence simulation game Bully also contains homosexual activity between the game’s hero, Jimmy Hopkins, and other male students."

"It is my legal opinion that the sale of this game to minors... violates Florida’s 'Sexual Material Harmful to Minors Statute,' Florida Statute 847.102."

And no, "kissing" does not qualify as sexual conduct under Florida law.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

His tone will change once Thompson adds him to that infernal mailing list.

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Well. If they make a new version of Dr. Jekill and Mr. Hyde, they should look on Miami for new talent.

The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Have I just watched a Penn & Teller "Bullshit" Episode about Video games with Jack Thompson in it? Run for your lives! 

Re: Mark Methenitis Comments on Jack Thompson Debate

Any mention of when a transcript will be posted? 

 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
MattsworknameWilson: how? Im still waiting for my upgrade notice07/29/2015 - 3:44am
Matthew WilsonI updated to a clean instill of windows 10.07/29/2015 - 2:36am
Mattsworknameargue that it's wrong, but then please admit it's wrong on ALL Fronts07/29/2015 - 2:06am
MattsworknameTechnoGeek: It's actually NOT, but it is a method used all across the specturm. See Rush limbaugh, MSNBC, Shawn hannity, etc etc, how many compagns have been brought up to try and shut them down by going after there advertisers. It's fine if you wanna07/29/2015 - 2:05am
Mattsworknamediscussed, while not what I liked and not the methods I wanted to see used, were , in a sense, the effort of thsoe game consuming masses to hold what they felt was supposed to be there press accountable for what many of them felt was Betrayal07/29/2015 - 2:03am
MattsworknameAs we say, the gamers are dead article set of a firestorm among the game consuming populace, who, ideally, were the intended audiance for sites like Kotaku, Polygon, Et all. As such, the turn about on them and the attacking of them, via the metods07/29/2015 - 2:03am
MattsworknameAndrew: Thats kind fo the issue at hand, Accountable is a matter of context. For a media group, it means accountable to its reader. to a goverment, to it's voters and tax payer, to a company, to it's share holders.07/29/2015 - 2:02am
Andrew EisenAnd again, you keep saying "accountable." What exactly does that mean? How is Gamasutra not accounting for the editorial it published?07/28/2015 - 11:47pm
Andrew EisenMatt - I disagree with your 9:12 and 9:16 comment. There are myriad ways to address content you don't like. And they're far easier to execute in the online space.07/28/2015 - 11:47pm
Andrew EisenMatt - Banning in the legal sense? Not that I'm aware but there have certainly been groups of gamers who have worked towards getting content they don't like removed.07/28/2015 - 11:45pm
DanJAlexander's editorial was and continues to be grossly misrepresented by her opponents. And if you don't like a site, you stop reading it - same as not watching a tv show. They get your first click, but not your second.07/28/2015 - 11:40pm
TechnogeekYes, because actively trying to convince advertisers to influence the editorial content of media is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, especially for a movement that's ostensibly about journalistic ethics.07/28/2015 - 11:02pm
Mattsworknameanother07/28/2015 - 9:16pm
Mattsworknameyou HAVE TO click on it. So they get the click revenue weather you like what it says or not. as such, the targeting of advertisers most likely seemed like a good course of action to those who wanted to hold those media groups accountable for one reason07/28/2015 - 9:16pm
MattsworknameBut, when you look at online media, it's completely different, with far more options, but far few ways to address issues that the consumers may have. In tv, you don't like what they show, you don't watch. But in order to see if you like something online07/28/2015 - 9:12pm
MattsworknameIn tv, and radio, ratings are how it works. your ratings determine how well you do and how much money you an charge.07/28/2015 - 9:02pm
Mattsworknameexpect to do so without someone wanting to hold you to task for it07/28/2015 - 9:00pm
MattsworknameMecha: I don't think anyone was asking for Editoral changes, what they wanted was to show those media groups that if they were gonna bash there own audiance, the audiance was not gonna take it sitting down. you can write what you want, but you can't07/28/2015 - 8:56pm
MattsworknameAndrew, Im asking as a practical question, Have gamers, as a group, ever asked for a game, or other item, to be banned. Im trying to see if theres any cases anyone else remembers cause I cant find or remember any.07/28/2015 - 8:55pm
Andrew EisenAs mentioned, Gamasutra isn't a gaming site, it's a game industry site. I don't feel it's changed its focus at all. Also, I don't get the sense that the majority of the people who took issue with that one opinion piece were regular readers anyway.07/28/2015 - 8:43pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician