Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

July 11, 2009 -

Never mind imposing tougher safety standards on imports from China, writes South Carolina attorney and activist Tom Turnipseed (left).

In an op-ed for The State, Turnipseed urges Inez Tenenbaum, the new chair of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, to make her first priority a ban on war toys and war games:

It’s easier for children to play with war toys than to learn how to read or play the piano. War toys teach children aggression. Aggression needs an outlet, but aggression can be played out in a non-violent manner with peaceful games.

Children should know what really happens in a war. People are hurt, maimed and killed. War toys, games, television shows and movies using guns seldom show the real effect of what violence does to people...

 

Studies indicate a direct correlation between exposure to media violence, especially interactive video games, and increased childhood aggression...


Better alternatives to children enjoying shooting at people and blowing up buildings are games that encourage the use of their minds, skills and physical dexterity in activities promoting the sanctity of life and peace.

Turnipseed served as a South Carolina state senator (D) from 1976 to1980. He made unsuccessful runs for Congress (1980) and South Carolina Attorney General (1998).


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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

This is just another example of the undeclared war against boys, boyhood, and masculinity.  I guess cops & robbers should be banned somehow too. 

There are lots of people out there who won't stop until we live in the world of Demolition Man. 

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Funny, I'm under the understanding that the reason war movies and whatnot seldom if ever show the real impact of the activity in terms of human loss is because of damn censorship in the first place. WTF?

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Not to get too Lennon on it, but let's work on banning war before we worry about banning war games.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Lennon was a moron, however that is a spill for another day.

We can ban war all we want to, but if the other S.O.B with an aresenal doesn't do the same then our actions have turned what would have been a war into a slaughter.

As much as people dispise conflict, without its existence we would have no idea what peace truly is. Make your soldiers strong, keep your weapons sharp, and have the means to obliterate any opposition, then do everything in your power to not use these tools.

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Banning war forever would probably require digging right into our human genome and changing it, and in that case we will no longer have the psychological factors that define us as "human". Competition and social grouping is hardwired into our genetics and brains. In the pure biological sense, brains only serve to carry out behaviors that promote the well-being of the creatures.

GameSnooper

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Heh, oddly makes me think of Endless Waltz, them ovie that ended Gundam Wing.

At the end the narrator states that to preserve the peace all mobile suit units were destroyed, however I was thinking "it would just take one jerkass with a small platoon of ones that weren't destroyed or were salvaged to take over now."

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Same thing for the Gurren Lagann series. They get rid of most of their forces and when they get attacked later in the series, it nearly costs them everything. They do come back from it... but barely. In RL, there would likely be no comeback.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I agree with MechaTama about the whole "_________ Activist" Issue.

But, anyway, if he wants more realistic toys that show what actually happens, then how about a GI-Joe that explodes into a burst of blood whenever he's nicked by so much as a fly.

How about one that's dead out of the box, suffocated by being in the plastic container?

Like what others have stated, realism will just give them another scapegoat. This is a lose-lose situation. Or at least, it would be if we were going up with somebody with a name harder to laugh at than "Tom Turnipseed".

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

This guy fails on so many levels.

Seriously, I'm far, far more concerned about the lack of morality in REAL people than the lack of morality in any entertainment.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

What these people fail to see is that mankind has always been entertained by combat and death at some level. The difference is that now it's fictional people on a screen getting killed instead of real people being fed to lions and figting to the death.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I can imagine a perfect world where war and violence have never been known.  The concept of a weapon doesn't exist there, only peace and harmony the world over.

And I can see us finding that world and blowing the fuck out of it and taking it over.  Why?  Because they'd never see it coming and wouldn't be able to do anything about it anyway.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Somebody doesn't realize that kids can use sticks for swords and their fingers for guns. Banning war toys isnt' going to stop them from playing non-harmful games like cops and robbers.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Children should know what really happens in a war. People are hurt, maimed and killed. War toys, games, television shows and movies using guns seldom show the real effect of what violence does to people...

But if portrayals were realistic you'd bitch about it being too graphic, since you just want something to piss and moan about...

Studies indicate a direct correlation between exposure to media violence, especially interactive video games, and increased childhood aggression...

Such as...? Also, correlation does not imply or equate to causation. Okay?

Better alternatives to children enjoying shooting at people and blowing up buildings are games that encourage the use of their minds, skills and physical dexterity in activities promoting the sanctity of life and peace.

Except that's fucking BORING. Entertainment is about entertaining. That is the point. Entertainment isn't about what's a better alternative, it's about being entertained by what you enjoy. Kids don't usually play games for learning, they play them for fun and enjoyment.

Nothing this person has said would justify a ban of any kind.

 

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

 BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Will people listen to my dumb arguments now?

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Here we go again. Kids have always played cops and robbers/war and watched shows that had fighting like GI Joe, Thunder Cats, the list goes on and on.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

There's so much wrong with this guy that I don't even know where to start.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Well, I´m just happy that commenters just bashed the crap out that useless article. Ban toys is a priority? What a delusional idiot. He really needs to be unemployed and crippled to see how the real world is.

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It’s easier for children to play with war toys than to learn how to read or play the piano. War toys teach children aggression.

 

Yeah sure, because playing GI Joe turns kid into a person with leadership of a General and they don't need any training.

Children should know what really happens in a war. People are hurt, maimed and killed. War toys, games, television shows and movies using guns seldom show the real effect of what violence does to people...

 

Well duh, has this person watch GI Joe?  What about the movie, A Bridge too far which was rated PG even though it had war violence and I remember one scene James Caan said the F-bomb.  What about those little Army men toy?  Are we going to ban those also.

Studies indicate a direct correlation between exposure to media violence, especially interactive video games, and increased childhood aggression...

 

What study, exactly??

 

Better alternatives to children enjoying shooting at people and blowing up buildings are games that encourage the use of their minds, skills and physical dexterity in activities promoting the sanctity of life and peace.

 

Kids already play those, they just want to play violent games just for fun.  It's not like violent game will turn them into blood thirsty killers.

 

Turnipseed served as a South Carolina state senator (D) from 1976 to1980. He made unsuccessful runs for Congress (1980) and South Carolina Attorney General (1998).

He couldn't win because of his dumb hypocrisy, and he couldn't back it up with a evidence.  Therefore, he lost his runs and this dumb argument/rants.

 

 

 

mikedo2007

 

 

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

"Aggression needs an outlet, but aggression can be played out in a non-violent manner with peaceful games."

What sense does that make?  If you're feeling aggressive and energetic, how is playing the piano going to help?  That's not an outlet, that's suppression. 

This article actually made me chuckle.  Sure, there've been plenty of whines like this, but the lack of professionalism or any citations or studies at all is impressive.

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Artistic expression can be a great outlet for all sorts of emotions and states, including aggression and energy.  You don't need to couple a violent outlet to a violent emotion - if that were the case then we would have a lot more violence in society.  The whole point is that the outlet that you use to release whatever emotions you may have or to relax can be wholey unrelated to what you're feeling or what you do in real life - for example, you can be a completely non-violent person who plays violent video games to relax.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Yup, suppression is great, even better when you can hear a "tick tick tick" in your head. All suppression does is well, you know... Make people likely to eventually snap and go KA-BOOM!

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

These people need to make up their minds, one minute games need to be banned because they are too realistic and expose children to violence, the next minute they should be banned because they 'aren't realistic enough' to show what life is really like as a soldier...

Funny how the excuses change to suit the prejudice....

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

This is why I dislike people who flip flop on issues like this

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I hate how jerks like this guy insult the intelligence of children by suggesting that kids aren't playing to have fun, but for more barbaric purposes.

"Better alternatives to children enjoying shooting at people and blowing up buildings are games that encourage the use of their minds, skills and physical dexterity in activities promoting the sanctity of life and peace."


And what the hell is THIS supposed to mean? By this guys words, training to become a soldier would fit the criteria PERFECTLY- use of minds, skills and physical dexterity to serve one's nation and keep peace. Chess can be applied to combat strategy, Monopoly can be viewed as a game of greed, and fucks like this guy are the main reason schools are having to cut back on recess (sometimes entirely) and playgrounds- to PREVENT kids from being too active and hurting themselves.

Did somebody invent a game called "quickly and efficiently rescue someone, put them on a stretcher and get them to a hospital"? I'm being honest when I say that I have no idea what kinds of "games" this guy is talking about that hasn't been criticized before.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I live in Canada. It is for this reason I was extremely pissed when they banned hockey when I was in elementary school. THEY BANNED HOCKEY. They also banned football. They weren't able to ban soccer... kids just played it anyway and nothing would have stopped that short of riot police.

Still, anytime something went wrong, like something getting stolen or someone getting hurt, rather than addressing the problem they just banned it. They banned cards, marbles, pogs, even gameboys. This foolish do-gooder attitude did nothing to fix any of the problems the school had: there was still a lot of violence, theft, and bullying. Now you can tack boredom onto that.

People must learn to be responsible for themselves. Some kid doesn't put away his gameboy when he's told? Take it away. Don't ban everyone from having them, take it away from the one kid. But no, do-gooders will argue "WELL THAT'S NOT FAIR". News flash: fair doesn't necessarily mean equal. Everyone had an equal chance to listen to the rules. Not everyone took it. Those that ignored it got punished. That's justice. That's fair.

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We need to ban Monopoly, we found out what caused the financial Crisis, it was Monopoly.  Quick ban it before we'll have another stock market crash and it'll end up as a another Great Depression.

 

mikedo2007

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I can honestly say that Monopoly has been the only game I have played that frequently lead to actual physical violence when I was younger. Well, that and spoons.

 

 

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

It’s easier for children to play with war toys than to learn how to read or play the piano.

 

Yeah, everyone knows that pointing a fginger on someone and say "pew pew" is on the same level of difficulty as playing the piano...

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I'm growing tired of this "studies show" crap myself. Yes, we know that war is hell, It's in our history books, documentaries, movies like The Dirty Dozen, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, Apocalypse Now, Gettysburg, Dances With Wolves, Gods And Generals, The Great Escape, The Longest Day, A Bridge Too Far, Band Of Brothers, Flags Of Our Fathers, Letters From Iwo Jima, Platoon, Miracle At St. Anna, Tora Tora Tora, Das Boot, Alexander, Troy, Kingdom Of Heaven, Black Hawk Down. Sure most of us anti-war, big deal. But banning war toys & games is not going to help. It'll continue on in our history books, movies, etc. Activists like Tom Turnipseed need to get a reality check & I mean immediately.

What we got here is failure to communicate!

What we got here is failure to communicate!

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I'm not exactly anti-war, I'm against the unneccessary use of war ^^

Granted, if you don't like war you're an unpatriotic/cowardice pussy it to many conservatives, and if you think that war is an option sometimes then you're a war-hungry mongrel to many liberals. (not a jab to either group, just saying that I've been called both for being right in the middle)

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

The liberals you speak of reminds me of that stupid saying that violence never solved anything.

Which is completely stupid if you consider all the things that war has solved.

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

That reminds me of the class discussion near the beginning of Starship Troopers and how violence/force is basicly imposing your will upon another, hence even an election is a form of violence.

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

a little mental note: the moron also attacked George W. bush over war profiteering(His a liberal Activist)

http://www.zmag.org/zspace/tomturnipseed

 

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Honestly who's going to listen to advice given by former senator Tom Turnipseed? That's like Minister of Parliment Brer' Rabbit or Secretary of State Cotton Eye Joe. 

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

At least secretary of State Cotton Eye Joe is good with the ladies, can throw down some fat banjo beats, and can pick a little guitar here an there.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I hate you, now I have that damn song stuck in my head.

 

Now to YouTube to find the video!

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

How come the headline doesn't say "Liberal Activist"?  ;)  After all, these anti-game shmucks come from all political stripes, why should only one political stripe get bandied about in the headlines, while the other is only mentioned deep within the article itself?

But I digress...  This guy is an out-of-touch shmuck, and I have nothing but scorn and derision for his ridiculous claims, yadda, yadda, yadda.  These people are starting to sound like a broken record.  It's hard to even get riled up about them anymore.  Maybe I've just been desensitized by Jack's more hardcore trolling.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Yup, give the boys Barbies and baby dolls instead! Nevermind that little boys are generally aggressive in the first place, but of course this is all about the continuing attempts at the pusification of males.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Are you nuts? Barbies turn boys into gays! BAN BARBIES, TOO!

 

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Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

He never said gays he said pussification. You can't comprimise and deal in a civilized manner with everybody (just look at islamic militants and Hitler), sometimes use of force and violence are nessasary to protect oneself and your loved ones/family/country/ect.

Also violence is an intregal part of human nature, violent video games, movies, music, TV, Books and toys guns, ect. are a good way to release our natural evolutionary violent tendancies without actually harming anybody.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Studies show politicians are out of touch reality.

Studies show most politicians are functionally retarded.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

This guy is like Hillary Clinton, times ten.

If we're going to teach children the gruesome realities of war (and at what age?) that will probably be more traumatizing to them than letting them go "pew pew" with their toy guns or soldiers.

You really cannot mix non-violent entertainment with the education of violent reality in a manner that isn't awkward. Especially for young minds. I remember hearing about a breaking story involving a crazy serial killer on the run, who already killed a few victims. It interrupted afternoon shows, including Sesame Street. Not smart of that network to do. PBS and other networks should not interrupt kids' shows with that kind of stuff.

GameSnooper

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Studies show that the activist is out of touch with time.

 

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: "Activist" Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

The next time this brain-dead idiot has a thought, he should just let it go. Another would-be censor never heard of before who has less credibility than Jacky Boy and that's not saying much.

Hasn't this idiot heard of Saving Private Ryan and what not?

Besides that, war toys and war games are protected by the First Amendment, and correlation found in highly questionable "studies" is not absolute proof to directly contradict a Constitutional amendment.

Maybe this Turnipseed person should focus on getting a better name than his dumb-sounding one.

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Re: "Activist" Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Stop bringing logic into this.

 

Logic has no place in hystriacal blindness to reality.

 

 

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

Chess teaches war, too. Let's ban chess.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

I thought you said class at first till I saw it again. Let's banned class anyway they show war there too expecally history class. Of how warfare was fought throughout the history of MANKIND. We are shown war footage.

Re: Activist Urges New CPSC Head To Ban War Toys & Games

That, too.

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......... You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Watching GI Joe as a kid, which had a lot of war and fighting, had a lot of good lessons to teach, and was pretty patriotic, and the toys were just fun.

 

However, I will say it is about time war toys got attacked too. However I can't condone banning super soakers and nerf guns, which look nothing like real guns, and if a parent does their job a kid will know the difference.

Maybe we shoudl also pay some people to comb all forests and clean up all the sticks to kids don't point them like guns ore pretend they are swords.

Even pay people so lap kid's hands if they point and go "bang", even further, ban hands so people can't point.

 
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