EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

July 15, 2009 -

Anyone who games online knows that negative comments about gay people are all too common. Compounding the problem, even game companies who treat their GLBT employees well seem to be wrestling with the notion of how deal with the open expression of sexual orientation in games.

The good news is that the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) plans to hold a panel discussion in homophobia in videogame culture on Saturday. EA will host the event, which is open to the public, at its Redwood HQ. Other noteworthy organizations which will participate are Microsoft, Second Life publisher Linden Labs, GayGamer.net and the ESA.

Shacknews reports on the agenda:

Topics will include "how to provide safe spaces for LGBT people online, how to ensure the best policies are in place to prevent virtual attacks against LGBT people and how to educate the users of online communities about the effects of homophobia.

The GLAAD website reports that the panel will be composed of:

  • Flynn DeMarco (Alias: Fruite Brute), Founder of GayGamer.net
  • Dan Hewitt, Senior Director of Communications & Industry Affairs for the ESA
  • Caryl Shaw, Senior Producer in the Maxis Studio
  • Cyn Skyberg, VP of Customer Relations at Linden Lab
  • Stephen Toulouse (Gamertag: stepto), Program Manager for Policy and Enforcement on Microsoft's XBox LIVE
  • Moderator: Justin Cole, Director of Digital & Online Media, GLAAD

Comments

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I don't think homophobia, online or offline, is the main problem here. The fact that the gay people must tell the whole world they're gay is a much bigger problem.

Freedom of speech about homosexualism is only free to members I guess..

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So what about the straight members who have surnames containing the word "gay" in them? And they use that as a username only to be told by Microsoft to change it because it is offensive. That's one of the problems here.

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You're absolutely right here, but I honestly doubt that this would even be glanced at during this panel.  They are going to make this into an issue solely about gay people being oppressed.

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You dont like it, stop advertising your sexual preferences, seriously, I find it unnecessary

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Oh goodie, host a panel. 

That will fix everything.

Why don't you commission a blue ribbon committee while you're at it, and then convene a task force? 

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Everyone seems to be missing the point. The reason saying "that's gay" or using racist language or ANY kind of racial, gender, sexual orientation etc. slur is bad isn't because the use itself is offensive though that is a valid point. The reason it's bad is that you will always have at least ONE idiot in the group who really is crazy enough to go and HURT someone, in REAL LIFE and they get the idea it's acceptable because everyone around them SEEMS to hate the minority group they hate as much as they do.

 

WHen you say "that's gay" you're not really hurting anyone, but you ARE giving permission to anyone who hears you to hurt someone, and you're doing it without even thinking about it or realizing it.

Not to mention everytime you say it it makes someone who is gay and is struggling with being accepted that much likely to just give up. I mean think about it, how would it feel for everyone and everything to act as if you're lower then everyone else, to hear people validating and defending that idea. At some point you just start to wonder what the point in being alive is if you're going to have to deal with that forever. As a teen I nearly killed myself because I just didn't ever think that I would be able to be open and honest with people close to me. I know now that I can choose what kind of people to have around me, and I'm very unforgiving. I don't keep friends, acquaintances or anything else that treat gay as a put down term or a lesser kind of people. I don't support businesses that frown on me being there because I'm gay. I also have a large body of friends and family and they all do the same. Suicide is very high among gay teens specificaly because things like saying "that's gay" give them the perception that they can never be happy, and they think there's no point to go on. THINK about how you affect other people. If you don't care then you don't deserve the time or consideration of others.

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Eh, that's gay that people would kill themselves over just their sexuality. =/ I've thought about suicide before (as has many people) but it'd suck to live in an area where sexuality is so sensitive that someone would consider suicide over just their sexuality. Luckily, the area I live in is incredibly lax about everything, incredibly tolerant to others. And I'll be going to U of M soon, which is even MORE tolerant of everyone.

(notice what I said? saying "that's gay" isn't just for things that annoy me, it's also for sad things too. i truly am sympathetic and hopefully someone that is in a situation that you described will read this and understand that 99% of people that say "that's gay" don't mean any harm at all and will embrace their sexuality)

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It's hard to recognize that someone doesn't think badly of you for who you are when they constantly use a term that describes who you are as a way to call something else bad, wrong, sad, or otherwise imply negativity about it.

How much of an uproar would the entire country be in if someone said "That's so black." or "That's so christian." when talking about how wrong and bad something is, how it should be "fixed" (thinking in terms of broken or difficult things in games.).

That would be a massive news story that a lot of people would be upset about I bet. And there would be more happening then a simple round table discussion over it.

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If "That's so Christian" actually became a nationaly recognized insult to Christian people, nobody would care, because Christians are the only people who have done anything wrong in the world.  Just ask all the PC people.  They'll tell you.  Because of them, teen pregnancy is on the rise.  Because of them, Radical Muslims are killing people.  Because of them, gay people can't say they're gay to anyone.

Oh, wait, regardless of cause, only one of those three things is actually true (the terrorist one, for the uninitiated).  Studies show teen pregnancy has been in decline over the last decade (most of 8 of those ten years under a Republican, Born-Again president) and, considering the fact that Microsoft is hosting a panel on homophobia in gaming, the third one can't be true.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I'd say, if "That's so black" or "That's so christian" actually became real, and then the ensuing uproar, I would say- they should pull their heads out of their ass. And right, that is to those who are upset over "That's so gay."

Words are nothing without meaning or context. "That's so gay" is NOT a homophobic or anti-gay context. It is a phrase, a series of words each with its own definitions, whether it be dictionary or slang. And even then, language changes. Language evolves.

Now, I'm not saying you don't have the right to be offended. By all means, be offended all you want. But you do not have the right, to dictate what I can say or cannot say, or what I should say or shouldn't say. You do not have that right, no matter how fucking offended you are.

But, in regards to me personally, you can ask politely. Now, I may not always, but I'll try. For example, I had a friend who didn't like me swearing that much, so she asked me politely. I try not to swear around her that much, but still do it, just at a lesser extent.

And honestly, that is perhaps what pisses me off the most about those commercials- they demand. "-do you know what you are saying? Knock it off," or something to that extent. Yes, I do, I am saying something sucks, NO OTHER ULTERIOR MEANINGS. And no, I absolutely refuse to knock it off just because someone may be offended by it. However, also by asking me politely, do not expect me to never ever say it again, or at least around you. If I do, oh well, deal with it. Or if it really makes you that upset, leave.

But that's just me. And other people may not be so lenient. And I'd expect the same attitude towards anything you might say, about my person. I may get offended as all hell, but neither do I have the right, to dictate what you can say.

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Yeah, I find the commercials much more hypocritical and offensive than the actual words could ever be. Just because "gay" has garnerned another meaning doesn't mean that use of "gay" fills BOTH meanings, context is what determines if it is meant to be or ought to be offensive.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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I love how people complain about gay people "advertising their sexual preference" as if straight people don't do exactly that, all the fucking time.

Don't believe me? How much backlash will a guy get for uttering the words "my boyfriend" compared to the words "my girlfriend"? Either way, he's advertising his sexuality. The catch? One sexuality is okay to advertise, and the other isn't. Guess which is which.

That said, stricter regulations do not a solution make. If anything, it rubs salt in the wounds; it INCREASES anti-gay sentiment. (As all this complaining about gay people "hijacking words" proves.) If someone wants to call someone else a faggot, fucking let them-- better to let the idiocy out into the open air where it can be mocked for what it is.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

If I proclaim my heterosexuality, people are welcome to try to make fun of me. Of course, they'll also fail to bother me. I think straight people would be more amused by an attack on their sexuality than anything.

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And this right here is the problem.  Homosexuality is a totally socially acceptable lifestyle across the country, if not in most civilized parts of the world.  True homophobia is nowhere near as rampant as people make it out to be.  It's mostly centralized among rural Southern areas and the Western mountain ranges.  However, since me being insulted because I'm straight wouldn't bother me, they have to make it bother them because, in actuality, the ones that are speaking up now are childish.  "Mommy, he called me a name!"  Apparently, nobody thinks "sticks and stones" anymore.  Wait, straight white people do, but we have to.  Nobody's going to protect us and pass laws for us saying you can't verbally attack us.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Personally, I think there are few if any true homophobes. The definition of homophobia is the irrational fear of homosexuals. Plenty of people disagree with the lifestyle and a small group (mainly the Westboro Baptists) actively hate homosexuals, but I doubt that these people are actually afraid of them. It's just a word that is used to make any sort of disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle look irrational and silly.

And I agree that people need to just get over it. Straight white males have dealt with this sort of crap for years, and you never hear us complain about it. If we can suck it up and deal with it, I think everyone else can, too. That is, after all, equal treatment.

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Agreed. Reminds me of something that I heard about South Park. It went something like, "the beauty of South Park is that they make fun of everybody. Equal discrimination." If someone makes fun of you, don't try and silence them, either make fun of them back or make them look like fools to everyone.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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"If someone makes fun of you, don't try and silence them, either make fun of them back or make them look like fools to everyone."

That sounds like the social equivalent of mutally assured destruction, which seems like a resoundingly poor idea. The truth is both of your options would still "silence" the person, insomuch as social ostracization would either force them to be quiet or would make them think twice about stating their opinions.

Freedom of speech does not mean you are guranteed an audience, which is what most people here seem to be arguing for. You do have a right to say what you want, but everyone else has a right to walk away, ignore you, or if you're in a privately owned or operated space, they have the right to forbid you or kick you out, with a handful of exceptions. At one of my local bars, the owner kicked out two patrons after calling another patron a "faggot". Did the owner "silence" them? Yes. Did he violate their right to free speech? Not in the least. The moment they touched public pavement outside they could have stood outside all day long and decried the bar for allowing "faggots" in; but no one inside has to hear them, and they shouldn't be forced to.

People forget that an individual has a right to be left alone and to not be harassed. Let's be honest here teenagers calling other teenagers faggots and homos on TF2 is not a goddamned rational argument on the right and wrong's of homosexuality. It is verbal harassment, the sort that we wouldn't tolerate in any other situation including the workplace, resteraunts, school, nor other common venues.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Uh...I completely agree with your post. I don't know what the first two paragraphs has to do with the last two, but the last two I completely agree with. Business owners should be able to kick people out of their own property, absolutely.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Most homophobia in gaming is inact, like people have said, because of anonimity. But there is also another aspect to it.

In real life.. nobody is allowed to be uncomfortable around homosexual people.. nobody is allowed to think badly of a gay person, because oh no.. homophobia!

I hate that word.. Homophobia... its been taken, much like the word gay has, and changed to mean something else... a Phobia is an irrational fear of something. Now, people who do have a gut reaction that makes them dislike gay people, are labled with the same tag as someone who takes a bat to beat them up, even if they never act on it and have perfectly reasonable reasons. But I'm going off on a tangent...

People online behave in ways they wouldn't in real life... this is fact, and until this changes (and I hope it doesn't) people will say dumb things. Build a bridge, and get over it.

"We never paid any heed to the ancient prophecies... Like fools we clung to the old hatreds, and fought as we had for generations"

"We never paid any heed to the ancient prophecies... Like fools we clung to the old hatreds, and fought as we had for generations"

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Homophobia... its been taken, much like the word gay has, and changed to mean something else...

This is also very true. Many people aren't homophobic, they simply don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle for one reason or another. However, calling them homophobes makes them all sound crazy and makes their side look bad. If people hear the term over and over, they'll eventually start to associate all people who disagree with homosexuality with crazy, irrational fear.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I need to remember to stop reading comments on stories when I know those comments are going to destroy any faith I had in humanity. I can always follow that rule on Youtube but for some reason I think Gabe's Internet Fuckwad Theory doesn't apply on GP. 

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

This is true.

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More fool you then.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Microsoft can meet and decide to ban people due to their word usage but face it, your going to ban a good percentage of the population and have them go to another machine. I don’t like homosexuals, that is my right as an American. You don’t like that, whatever go ask your President to force a law through breaking Free Speech laws.

 

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Yes you can say whatever you like -- in public or in your own house. The First Amendment is about the government infringing on freedom of speech not companies. The first amendment doesn't mean that Microsoft can't kick someone off their service if the person is saying things that they explicitly say they don't allow.  X-Box Live is not a free speech zone.  It is in essence Bill Gates' house.  If Bill Gates doesn't like what you say he has every right to kick you out of his house.  (that's of course an over-simplification and Bill Gates is retired and since there is a contract between the user and MS there are certain requirements but that is a difference in degree not in kind. The basic consept still applies. 

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

In the UK what Microsoft have done would be considered illegal as anyone being open about their homosexuality has been banned. Therefore they are discriminating against homosexuals (although it is probably a poor attempt in the first place to protect them) and not offering the same service to them. But Xbox Live isn't just UK based and looking at it globally it's bad for Microsoft because whilst they go on about being a company for equality they go around banning gay gamers. Their actions are in conflict with their typical company policy.

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But isn't it free speech to openly state your sexuality? By you wanting them banned you're sounding hypocritical because whilst you want free speech for yourself you don't allow others that liberty.


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But the reverse is true in your case.  You want to be able to freely express your sexuality, but you want to suppress the free speech rights of people who don't like gay people.  By you wanting this, you sound just as hypocritical as the person you responded to.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Exactly! People seem to have trouble realizing that people against homosexuality have just as much right to speak their minds as homosexuals do. Their views may not be popular or politically correct, but they can still have and profess them. For some reason, our culture seems convinced that everyone should be forced into politically correct mouds so that everyone can pretend to get along and be happy.

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You assume too much. Where did I say that I wanted to state my sexuality? Where did I state that I wanted to supress your right to say that you were against homosexuality? I merely said that whilst you proclaimed your right to freedom of speech at the same time you wanted to surpress it from others (basically using your freedom of speech to say how you wanted it taken away from others). Your freedom of speech does not override someone else's right to that too, you believe that you can say whatever you want but other's can't and try to use the freedom of speech argument to say why.

So whilst you should be free to state your views, others should be free to state their sexuality if they so wish.

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Hold up, I think you misinterpretted my post. I fully agree with you and was trying to state in my post exactly what you said in this one. I don't think anyone should be stopped from expressing their opinions or orientations. Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to force their opposition into silence anymore than the opposition should be allowed to force the homosexuals to be silent. Both sides should be free to talk to, disagree with, and even insult each other.

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This. Everyone gets a voice, you cant shut people up because you dont agree.

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Unfortunately, political correctness says you can. We're creating second-class citizens in order to avoid hurting the feelings of others.

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While I'm certain that there's a fair ammount of legitimate bigotry being conveyed online, I think there's at least two other forms of discrimination against homosexuality that isn't "hate based":

1.  Overreaction.  I seriously don't think Blizzard or Microsoft hate gay people.  Yet they've managed to screw them over in the past by banning homosexual guilds and erasing names that have "gay" in them.  These online companies are probably so on edge about getting called racist for allowing gamers to say homophobic things with their service, that they just jumpped the gun and banned actual gays without thinking.  That doesn't make it right, but we have to at least understand where they're coming from.

2.  A lot of the youth have replaced "lame" with "gay."  As in, "that's so gay!"  This isn't a good thing, and it slowly trains these young idiots to accociate "gay" with "bad."  But again, I don't think their taunts are intentionally homophobic.  Often when they say these derogatory remarks over voicechat, they're probably not even thinking about homosexuality.  Still doesn't make it right, but realizing the real source of these terms helps to direct efforts to stop them.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

"A lot of the youth have replaced "fun" with "shooting video games." This isn't a good thing, and it slowly trains these young idiots to accciate "shooting" with "fun." But then again, I don't think their taunts are intentionally homicidal.

Sorry, but I call complete bullshit on most of point number 2. I say "that's gay" while gaming or with friends, and I have absolutely no problems with gay people, I support gay marriage, and have 2 gay friends and several bisexual friends (then again, even saying that "i have a gay friend" means nothing over the internet, but I can definitely prove it if you want me to). There shouldn't be efforts to stop the use of the word, there should be efforts to stop derogatory remarks towards homosexuals. Gay now has an alternate meaning. Gay means as such: "happy," "homosexual," and "lame." Much like "boob" means "a dumb person" or "a breast."

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Great post, Arell. I think you hit the nail on the head.

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It is bad.

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If you are referring to homosexuality then...grarg.man, seriously. The way you conduct yourself online has made me think you are the posterboy for intolerance and bigotry.

You are a blight on society. 

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Well, I guess I am with the mass majority then.

I bet if you forced everyone who posts here to say they support homosexuality or be banned a good number of the users would be banned from the site. Same with Xbox Live

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'The Majority' were in favour of Slavery once...

I play in a band with two musicians who also happen to be homosexuals, yes, amazing as it may sound, they are musicians first, and their sexual orientation is a long way down the list as to things that are relevant.

It always amazes me how people see the word 'Homosexual' and it manages to blot out absolutely every other trait, skill or ability the person has, as though their sexuality is so important that anything they have done with their lives, anything they have achieved is totally irrelevant next to it.

Now, part of the reason we will never get rid of Homophobia is because of people like you, who think that because lots of people are homophobic, it's ok to be homophobic yourself, because 'everyone else is doing it'

Get some originality about yourself, actually look about, and instead of seeing 'Gays', see Doctors, Scientists, Physicists, Astronomers, Astronauts, Artists, Musicians, Tatooists, Steel Metal workers (Everybody dance now!) and a whole host of other human beings.

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In theory, that all sounds great.

So, why then do they need a gay gamer website?  Why do they need gay guilds?  Or black, or latino, or whatever?  Why the need to publicly announce and be identified by that single aspect of themselves?  Why then cry foul if someone actually *does* relate to them as such?  You have to accept that if one goes to lenghts to identify themselves by that particular aspect, then that is what others are going to focus on.  And if you pose that question, you are instantly labeled homophobic/racist ect... you are forced to accept anything and everything about them and if you dont, that one aspect is drawn upon in order to throw a derogitory label on those who disagree with them about *anything*.

I am a white male. (Which, I have come to understand, means that I am Evil )  Whatever.  Generally, I don't give a flip what color/race/sexual orientation some else is.  It is simply irrelevant.  It only ever becomes a question when I see them lining up to join the Gay Mans Guiild, and I know that if I ever wanted to join a White Mans Guild, people would assume every wicked, disgusting thing about me that they could imagine- and could then freely label me as such with the blessings of society at large.

One cannot be considered "equal" until one stops deliberatley segregating onesself from the rest of humanity on *any* basis.

 

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Which do you think came first? The groups of people coming together or the hatred toward those people?

 

 

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I am a white male. (Which, I have come to understand, means that I am Evil )

Yeah, we're both screwed. White males are the only group that can be universally discriminated against without any fear of negative consequences. Add another descriptor like "Christian" or "conservative," and you're lucky that US law still applies to you else you'd likely be shot on sight.

I also agree that we need to stop making such a damn big deal about race/religion/sexual orientation/gender. Honestly, who cares? If people would just shut up and quit dragging those differences out into the spotlight, we'd probably have a highly tolerant society within 50 years. Of course we'd still have people like the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Cult, but they'd be so small and look so ridiculous that no one would care. But I guess it's more fun to bitch and moan about stuff now instead of just letting it be inconsequential so everyone forgets about it.

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GayGamer.net to my knowledge focuses on gay issues within gaming, gamepolitics.com focuses on the political issues within gaming. It's debatable whether gay guilds need to exist as sexuality does not have an affect over the actual gameplay, but I suppose they serve the purpose of playing in an environment where homophobia isn't present.

There seems to be a misconception here that if you tolerate gay people then that must mean that you support all gay rights, and that if you don't suppose all gay rights you have to be against tolerance full stop. People should be tolerant of gay people, but they should also have the freedom to be either for or against gay rights.

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I'll be honest here, I don't know how people can justify being against gay rights. Homosexuals have just as much right to their rights as everyone else. You don't have to agree with their lifestyle choice (in fact, I'd encourage people to continue to disagree with it instead of letting themselves being made into politically correct clones), but I don't see how anyone can justify denying people rights just because they hold different beliefs.

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Currently gay people have the same rights as heterosexual people, to my knowledge the law doesn't stipulate sexuality. Gay people have exactly the same marriage rights as straight people, as in everyone has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex ("love" is not defined in the laws of marriage) and a gay man is allowed to marry a lesbian (many of you will claim that they wouldn't do this, but the fact is that gay people are not banned from being able to marry), the question is whether to extend the marriage rights for everyone so that anyone can marry a person of the same sex.

Gay equality is somewhat different to gay rights, gay equality is about being treated equally, gay rights is also about extra protection and extra laws exclusively for gay people. Gay rights in the UK is about pushing for companies to have quotas on the minimum about of gay people they have to employ etc.

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What they want are the rights to follow their beliefs in the same everyone else can follow theirs. Honestly, why shouldn't we extend them the right to marry someone of the same gender? It's not going to hurt anyone else if two gay men get married. They should be able to follow their beliefs just like anyone else.

I would, however, draw the line at that UK situation. They shouldn't get special treatment by making companies hire a minimum number of gay people or anything like that. They should get equal treatment. If they're qualified, they should get the job. This is also why I'm against things such as Affirmative Action: nobody should get special treatment because of their race/gender/beliefs/sexual orientation. If these groups want to be equal, they should start by getting where they want to be like everyone else: through their own hard work and merit.

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That's the same type of things that gay people are going for in the US.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Unfortunately, it is. I think homosexuals should have equal rights. They should not have special rights. However, for some reason I get accused of being a homophobe or a racist if I push equality instead of special treatment.

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Your post reminds me of an episode of Carlos Mencia.  He commented on how white men have no freedom of speech.  To prove his point, he challenged anyone to be okay with someone with a bumper sticker that said "I'm White And I'm Proud."  Even white people would think he's a skinhead.

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IanCNext Level Games would like to say hi.08/27/2014 - 6:32am
Uncharted NEShttp://kotaku.com/zelda-f-zero-coming-to-mario-kart-8-162715073008/26/2014 - 11:17pm
Uncharted NESAlso $8 for each or $12 for both.08/26/2014 - 11:16pm
Uncharted NESZelda, Animal Crossing Coming To Mario Kart 8.08/26/2014 - 11:15pm
Andrew EisenNintendo has worked with plenty of western or non-Japan devs. It partners more often with devs in its own country but I wouldn't say it doesn't like western devs.08/26/2014 - 7:36pm
Matthew WilsonOr... give it to the studio that just formed from the old Darksiders guys. yeah I know outside of Retro they do not like working with western devs.08/26/2014 - 6:46pm
MechaTama31They should have just handed the Zelda reins to the team responsible for Okami, because they out-Zelda-ed Zelda.08/26/2014 - 6:08pm
Uncharted NESI miss Nintendo-Capcom Zelda games. ALTTP on the GBA was my first real time really playing through that game. And you know what, it was fun. :P08/26/2014 - 5:42pm
IanC3 and a half amazing games, since Capcom did the A Link to the Past port, and the Four Swords game that was on the cart. So thats 4 games then, id guess.08/26/2014 - 5:03pm
MaskedPixelanteDepends on who's teaming up with what. Zelda plus Capcom gave us three amazing games. Zelda plus Phillips gave us Youtube Poop.08/26/2014 - 3:25pm
E. Zachary KnightNintendo has had a fairly decent track record with teaming up with external development houses to make games based on their IP, at least recently. I hope they keep it up.08/26/2014 - 3:14pm
IanCThe idea of the Tekken team making a Pokémon fighting game is A: funny and B: clever.08/26/2014 - 2:39pm
IanCBlizzard took the Act 4 ending cut scene out of Diablo 3 Ultimate Evil Edition. So if you want to see the final cut scene from the base game better go look on youtube or something.08/26/2014 - 2:38pm
Andrew EisenI hope Magikarp is playable!08/26/2014 - 11:14am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/08/26/psa-psn-gets-knocked-down-again/ Hey, guess what happened again.08/26/2014 - 9:51am
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/08/26/tekken-style-pokemon-fighter-unveiled-for-arcades-in-2015/ Continuing Nintendo's plan of letting other devs take a stab at their IPs, NB is doing a Pokemon fighting game based on Tekken.08/26/2014 - 9:41am
 

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