EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

July 15, 2009 -

Anyone who games online knows that negative comments about gay people are all too common. Compounding the problem, even game companies who treat their GLBT employees well seem to be wrestling with the notion of how deal with the open expression of sexual orientation in games.

The good news is that the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) plans to hold a panel discussion in homophobia in videogame culture on Saturday. EA will host the event, which is open to the public, at its Redwood HQ. Other noteworthy organizations which will participate are Microsoft, Second Life publisher Linden Labs, GayGamer.net and the ESA.

Shacknews reports on the agenda:

Topics will include "how to provide safe spaces for LGBT people online, how to ensure the best policies are in place to prevent virtual attacks against LGBT people and how to educate the users of online communities about the effects of homophobia.

The GLAAD website reports that the panel will be composed of:

  • Flynn DeMarco (Alias: Fruite Brute), Founder of GayGamer.net
  • Dan Hewitt, Senior Director of Communications & Industry Affairs for the ESA
  • Caryl Shaw, Senior Producer in the Maxis Studio
  • Cyn Skyberg, VP of Customer Relations at Linden Lab
  • Stephen Toulouse (Gamertag: stepto), Program Manager for Policy and Enforcement on Microsoft's XBox LIVE
  • Moderator: Justin Cole, Director of Digital & Online Media, GLAAD

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I think it's an act of defiance to be honest. I don't agree with every strategy used to get acceptance for Homosexuals, certainly, I understand the motivation behind 'Gay Pride' festivals, but also think that they may not be the best way of approaching acceptance, by deliberately distancing yourself from people who aren't gay, I think it'd be much better to walk down the street dressed in work clothes, suits, labcoats, overalls etc, holding a placard that says something like 'Do we look Gay?'

I think middle ground has to be found, in an ideal world, GayGamer.net would be 'Gamer.net', since that's the part that everyone has in common, and wouldn't single itself over the part that is different, but, as the behaviour of kids on XBox prove, neither side is innocent of that.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

by deliberately distancing yourself from people who aren't gay

Most gay pride events will happilly welcome straight people.  The only people they are distancing themselves from are the ones who oppose homosexuality.

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

No, the people who distance themselves from gay pride parades don't want to be associated with people acting like douchebags.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 You mean the fraction of the parade itself? And not the majority of the parade that acts like any other parade which includes honouring groups and services, and music? Have you ever been a mile away from a festival?

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

For every gay person to whom being gay is not a priority, there is at least one person who has to make being gay the only thing that matters.  These people are the ones who scream that being called gay is offensive, but support an openly gay blogger who calls another person a faggot because he didn't like him.

The fact of the matter is no ethnic or sexual group has any moral superiority over any other.  In America today we assume that a supposedly oppressed people are somehow more moral than anyone else.

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Minorities are equally capable of being small minded idiots as majorities, this much is certain.

However, it would be interesting to see how many Gays are actually the type who think that their sexuality is the most important thing about them? I think if you took out the ones who do it as an act of defiance to Homophobes, you'd probably find there are no higher percentage of 'in your face' gays than there is, for example, the percentage of Texans who live in an armor-plated shed surrounded by guns, which, despite that particular stereotype, is surprisingly low.

 

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Doing it as an act of defiance is still doing it.  Other than this, you're probably right.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Why is this such a big deal? EIther grow a thicker skin or quit advertising your sexual preference. The Internet is highly intolerant of many groups (homosexuals, religious people, conservatives); if you belong to one of these groups and don't want to be targetted, don't advertise.

I know somebody is probably going to call me intolerant or say that I'm ignoring the problem, but if all these other unpopular groups can deal with or avoid the flak they get on the Internet, the gay and lesbian community can too.

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While there are some situations of people on xbox live with names like "gaymer" being harrassed online that is the exception.  People use "gay" in a neggative way all the time even if the opponent doesn't say anything about sexual prefernce.  People call other people "fag" when they are mad at the other person.  

Most of the time someone is online playing and then the opponent starts calling them names.  Why should the person have to just accept it? 

 

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Let me counter your question with another question: why should the other people have to change? You're arbitrarily deciding who should and should not be allowed to speak his mind.

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First off, don't assume that this is about being "allowed" to speak his mind.  X-Box live and other online voice services are not free speech zones.  They are owned and operated by companies who have every right to dictate the rules (within certain limits prescribed to them by the government.)  I would imagine that if MS decided that mentioning the word "Sony" was a bannable offense then they could.

Regarding the actual question "why should the other people have to change?" Well they don't have to but no one should have to just put up with harrasment regardless of the reason for it.  If you want to debate a subject fine but when you devolve to name-calling then they shouldn't just have to "get a thicker skin."  It isn't as if the only time "gay" or "fag" is used online is after someone mentions that they are homosexual.  It is used all the time regardless of the sexuality of the people involved.  No one should have to put up with being called names -- especially when it is like xbox live when you pay for the service.

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Xbox Live itself is one huge problem with immature kids yelling offensive names at each other. I don't think we need special protection for the homosexual community so much as we just need better policing of the network as a whole.

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A larger problem is that a girl got BANNED simply for having in her profile that she was a lesbian. Being made fun of is fine if you advertise it, but to be banned for it is just wrong. I think that anyone should be able to put their sexuality on their profile like they can on myspace or facebook profiles without threat of banning. As for being made fun of...shit sucks, that's a social issue that will take a lot longer to fix but isn't as easy to fix as the immediate problem.

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I would agree with you here. People shouldn't be banned for being homosexual, religious, or anything else that might be controversial; they should be allowed to express their views/orientations if they so choose. However, if they want to do that, they're going to have to deal with the crap they get. When you put yourself out there, people are going to disagree with you, and some of them are going to be nasty. If people aren't capable of dealing with those nasty people and their comments, they should avoid posting views that they know will set such people off. Things will probably get better with time, and that's really the only way to fix the problem. We can't do anything to force tolerance; any attempt to do so is just going to cover up the problem instead of fixing it.

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Agreed 105%

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

"Why is this such a big deal? EIther grow a thicker skin or quit advertising your sexual preference."

So what you're saying is... stay in the closet or quit complaining?

These people want respect. Hiding to avoid being insulted is no substitute for the respect they seek.

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No, these people want priveleges. The rest of the unpopular groups on the Internet have figured out that you either don't proclaim your controversial views or you deal with the flak you get for them. Why should the gay/lesbian community get safe havens and special treatment when religious people, conservatives, and a host of other groups gets chewed up one side and down the other for saying something unpopular online? They're not going to get respect here, they're just going to get special treatment so no one hurts their feelings. There's still going to be as much homophobia as ever, it's just not going to be as pronounced online. This won't fix the problem; it'll just cover it up with a pretty moderation banhammer-fest.

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This might take a while. The stupid in your post is strong, so I need to deal with it in increments.

No, these people want priveleges.

If by priveleges, you mean the exact same resect everyone else gives to other people? Then yes.

 Why should the gay/lesbian community get safe havens and special treatment when religious people, conservatives, and a host of other groups gets chewed up one side and down the other for saying something unpopular online?

Because religious people and conservatives are the ones that make up the majority when it comes to people enslaving others literally, and metaphorically? I don't know, maybe it has to do with the fact that conservatives and religious were the ones who started treating gays and lesbians like shit.

They're not going to get respect here, they're just going to get special treatment so no one hurts their feelings.

Said everything I had to say in response #2

There's still going to be as much homophobia as ever, it's just not going to be as pronounced online. This won't fix the problem; it'll just cover it up with a pretty moderation banhammer-fest.

The fact that it won't be pronounced online as much is a good thing. That's actually how you improve public opinion. Hate speech is dangerous because of the power it can have. The more class online communities have, the better.

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If by priveleges, you mean the exact same resect everyone else gives to other people? Then yes.

You must be on a different Internet than I am. Any time I advocate something that's controversial or not politically correct (like saying homosexuals shouldn't get special treatment) I get insulted and ripped into (by people saying my posts are stupid). There's no respect on the Internet for views that aren't mainstream, popular, or politically correct; there's only flames and name-calling.

Because religious people and conservatives are the ones that make up the majority when it comes to people enslaving others literally, and metaphorically? I don't know, maybe it has to do with the fact that conservatives and religious were the ones who started treating gays and lesbians like shit.

So we should let the gay/lesbian community treat their detractors like shit by stifling their freedom of speech? Do you see the irony in this? The religious people and conservatives have as much right to voice their opinions as the homosexual community does. Just because brainwashed, politically-correct media whores (I'm not talking about homosexual here; I'm talking about other people [I have to specify so I don't accused of being some sort of gay-hater]) don't agree with them doesn't give anyone the right to silence them. Silencing them also isn't going to fix anything. If anything, it will make things worse because the detractors will resent the gay/lesbian community even more and will be that much more solidly set against them. Intolerance (if you can call holding opposing beliefs intolerance; not all Christians are part of the hatemongering Westboro Baptist Cult) is generally best solved with logic, not more intolerance.

The fact that it won't be pronounced online as much is a good thing. That's actually how you improve public opinion. Hate speech is dangerous because of the power it can have. The more class online communities have, the better.

Bullshit. This will do nothing to improve public opinion because you're not actually changing people's minds. People will still hold the homophobic views, and they'll still be propogated in the home and on every playground. If the gay/lesbian community wants respect, they're going to have to earn it like any other group, and that will only happen as public opinion changes over time. Stifling diversity is never a good thing. People may not like having to deal with those who disagree with them--and some people may express their views in very immature ways--but silencing them for an illusion of peace is a more abhorrent thing than any immature flamer.

 

By the way, please refrain from inferring stupidity in other people's posts. You may not agree with it, but roundabout ad hominem attacks aren't exactly legitimate methods of debate. If you disagree with me, disagree with me. There's no need to get nasty; I think we can discuss this maturely without resorting to insulting each other's intelligence.

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 So we should let the gay/lesbian community treat their detractors like shit by stifling their freedom of speech? Do you see the irony in this? The religious people and conservatives have as much right to voice their opinions as the homosexual community does. Just because brainwashed, politically-correct media whores (I'm not talking about homosexual here; I'm talking about other people [I have to specify so I don't accused of being some sort of gay-hater]) don't agree with them doesn't give anyone the right to silence them. Silencing them also isn't going to fix anything. If anything, it will make things worse because the detractors will resent the gay/lesbian community even more and will be that much more solidly set against them. Intolerance (if you can call holding opposing beliefs intolerance; not all Christians are part of the hatemongering Westboro Baptist Cult) is generally best solved with logic, not more intolerance.

That's misguided, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. If freedom of your speech was defined by what you said, torture and murder would be fine because it is part of that person's "freedom of speech". This is about preventing more hate from spreading around, or god forbid, that hate becoming socially acceptable. Oh wait, it is socially acceptable because people like you don't want to remove people's "freedom of speech". You don't understand why public opinion is what it is. If the majority of the country thinks that hate speech is appropriate, then things will be worse. If the visibility of the hate is reserved for people like the Wesboro Baptist Church, then it will be an extremist public opinion, making it less socially acceptable. The less people see the hate, the less they will accept it.

And yes, the majority of Christian groups do partake in the hate.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Murder and torture violate other basic human rights; don't try to create a straw man by equating these abhorent practices with disagreement with homosexuality.

What makes you think that hate speech will become socially acceptable? We've had the KKK and Neo-Nazis spouting stuff for decades; no one thinks their messages are acceptable. Homosexuals are receiving more acceptance now than ever. Public opinion will change on its own. Personally, I'd prefer to let it change over time instead of starting to censor anyone who has a disonant opinion by accusing them of hate speech. It happened in the civil rights era; there's no reason why history shouldn't repeat itself with gay rights now.

You don't seem to understand the inherently negative quality of censoring anyone. Nobody should be forced into silence, even if they have mean opinions that you don't agree with. If we start doing that, we're setting ourselves up for a society that forces political correctness upon all its people by destroying their freedom of speech. I'd prefer to see a few haters online to having an intolerant society posing as a paragon of love and happiness.

And yes, the majority of Christian groups do partake in the hate.

Yeah, and the majority of Muslims partake in terrorist activities. *eyeroll*

For someone pushing for tolerance of homosexuals, you seem rather intolerant yourself. How many Christians have you talked to? How much of their theology do you know? Based on your one statement, you don't sound very informed. Maybe you should try being learning about Christians before you start throwing around offensive and untrue stereotypes. Otherwise, the religious people are going to have to come together and get their own little anti-religophobia panel to figure out ways to block people who throw unfair and uninformed generalizations around. But you'd be all for that, wouldn't you? After all, we should silence the mean people so everyone can live under the illusion of love and acceptance. Maybe you should try looking at things from another point of view; you might learn something and be less likely to advocate censorship so readily for problems that will go away on their own in 50 years.

 

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 Okay, before I do anything. You probably should not partake in a strawman while claiming I had done the same even though you had missed the point I had shown you.

But anyways. I can't understand why you would have no problem with open bigotry in society. Look at the key word in that sentence, "OPEN". This isn't about silencing speech, this is about discouraging speech that doesn't benefit anything. Quick question, how does this kind of hate speech benefit anyone? You've yet answered this simple question.

Another thing to ask yourself. Who spends the most when it comes to stopping gay rights legislation? Conservative PACs and Christian groups. "Silencing Christians" is a movie that talks about exactly that.

Oh, and my pointing out that Christian groups are anti-gay is a factual statement. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make me a bigot against an organization which has extreme clout in creation of laws. Ignorance against the ignorant is not ignorance, it is rationality.

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If I have a strawman, point it out. Otherwise we have a red herring on top of the rest of this dysfunctional, innane mess.

If this is about discouraging speech that won't benefit anyone, who decides what is beneficial and what isn't? Everyone is going to be biased and more likely to discourage those against them while letting those who agree with them get by with more. I don't think hate speech benefits anyone, but the logical problems that come along with trying to determine what is hate speech and silencing are enough to make me cringe away from the entire idea. As I've said, I'd prefer to deal with a few haters instead of seeing a forced facade of political correctness and love.

I'm also not sure why you referenced the "Silencing Christians" video. If it's the same video I'm watching, it's actually saying stuff along the same lines that I've been saying. It's not saying the Christians are unfairly legislating against homosexuals; it's saying that homosexuals are pushing their agenda in such a way that they can use the law to silence Christians who disagree with them. How exactly does pointing out a video that says homosexuals have a monopoly on freedom of speech while Christians are frequently undermined and stifled aid your argument any (if you want a good example, listen to the story at 19:00)?

Oh, and my pointing out that Christian groups are anti-gay is a factual statement.

Being against homosexuality isn't being anti-gay. You can disagree with the lifestyle without hating the people who practice it. Many Christians do it all the time. Just because you don't like the idea that people can disagree with homosexuality and still be decent people doesn't mean that plenty of people don't do just that.

I think you're also mistaken if you think Christians have extreme clout in the creation of laws. Christians don't have a lot of clout in laws anymore, and it's waning even more as the years go by. Christians are already heavily restricted from any sort of display of religion in schools or government institutions, and they're one of the few groups who can be discriminated against and denied their freedom of religion with little fear of reprisal. If a gay person slanders Christianity, you'll never hear about it, but if a Christian says anything remotely un-approving of homosexuality, he gets ripped a new one and probably sued. You should try being part of such a group instead of believing the stories the media tells you; Christians have it a lot worse than you're under the impression they do.

 

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 Congrats, you've gone to actually support the extremist statements of a propaganda movie who've gone on to push legislation for recognition America as a Christian nation. Which is against freedom. I'd give you are round of applause, but then again you actually believe every word in this piece of propaganda. Well, at least now I have full knowledge of you being devoid of any intellectual content, now I don't have to waste my time on someone who has already made up their mind.

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Classic, Snipzor.  Instead of actually arguing the point he's trying to make, you just attack his religion.

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Extremist statements? So advocating the right to proclaim unpopular views is extremist? I thought that we had that right covered in the First Ammendment, but I guess freedom of speech for religious people with unpopular views is extremism. Please tell me where you get thse Constitutional updates; I'd like to know which freedom is going to get stolen away from me next.

I wouldn't say anyone should buy everything in this video--it's obviously coming from one side--but many of these incidents are hard to ignore or spin in a positive way unless you actively hate Christians. That minister in Canada who was convicted for saying that homosexuality is a sin is a great example of the government throwing around its weight to try to forcibly change the beliefs of a group because another group finds them offensive. If advocating equal freedom of speech for Christians (and all other groups) is extremist, I'll gladly take the title. I'd rather be a fair extremist than someone who buys into everything the media and government tells him.

If you see maturely holding opposing views and proclaiming them in as non-volatile a way as possible as something that should be illegal, congrats on your fascist viewpoint. This sort of thinking smack of Orwellian Thought Police. I certainly hope people like you never end up running this country because I don't like the idea of having the Thought Police telling me what I can't believe and throwing me in jail when I disagree. Enjoy your distopia; you probably won't see what's going on until it's too late.

I don't support the idea of America as a Christian nation ruled by Christian laws. We have freedom of religion; we can't have a nation ruled by one religion or belief system. However, I believe that we shouldn't be ruled by any beliefs. Why, then, do we let homosexuals get by with these actions while Christians are silenced and arrested for the same actions? You can't deny the inherent unlawfulness of refusing to allow Christians to peacefully state their beliefs about homosexuality (or maybe you can; if so, I'm not sure how you call yourself "tolerant" or "fair"). It goes against the basic freedoms given every person in the Constitution when Christians are silenced while homosexuals are allowed to spread their views without any restraints just as it would violate the Constitution to allow Christians to state their views while stifling homosexuals. The rule goes both ways; you can't deny one group a right while allowing it to another without violating the basic premise of equality that is supposed to pervade our Constitution and laws.

EDIT: in hindsight, that last paragraph was unneccessary. I don't need to resort to insults to show everyone else that your views are being parroted straight from the media and the far left (although you seem incapable of actually countering my views and instead devolve to name-calling and insults. Why do you think that is? Did it ever occur to you that you might not have anything supporting you but are going on the lies the media and the far left want you to believe? Try reasoning through your beliefs from start to finish and see where you end up. If you can actually drop your ingrained bigotry against Christians, I think you'll find that your views don't logically add up). I think I can safely assume that the rest of the world is intelligent enough to realize that freedom of speech goes both ways and that one group shouldn't be silenced by another who they disagree with. If they can't realize this, they're probably not worth talking to anyway.

 

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He's one of those intolerant people you are ranting about.  No point in trying to convince him otherwise.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Believe me, I've noticed. I figure that if I can keep baiting him along, he'll eventually say something that completely and utterly discredits his view and will provide hilarity to the rest of the world. I realize that I'm arguing with a brick wall (who may or may not have been brainwashed by the mainstream liberal media), but I figure I can at least provide amusement to others while showing the absurdity of that view.

EDIT: Anyone want to help me out here? Maybe we can convince him if he sees that multiple people believe the same basic thing (namely, that Christians and other groups who disagree with homosexuality have the right to do so under the First Ammendment).

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 "Bullshit. This will do nothing to improve public opinion because you're not actually changing people's minds. People will still hold the homophobic views, and they'll still be propogated in the home and on every playground. "

But they will be propagated less, and people will be constantly reminded that this kind of speech is wrong. The parents may try to pass their bigotry down to children, but the influence of a society that constantly says otherwise and seems to rarely speak of their parent views can influence children to think for themselves; hell that's pretty much how children raised in religious homes can still become atheists (they learn alternate views and come to think its alright to have them)... limit the ability to spew bigotry and society will start looking like a place where that bigotry is wrong and those being raised in that society will often come to reflect society instead of the views of their parents... this is part of how you change public opinion over time

 

 

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I disagree. We don't need to do anything to change the general opinion of homosexuality because it's already changing. In 20 years, I think the level of anti-homosexuality that we're talking about here will be uncommon and have about the same association that racism has for my generation. Nobody will be reminded that hate speech is wrong; they'll be reminded that they can't do it. If you want to teach them that it's unacceptable, let them say what they want and then rip them apart (in a mature, logical way, of course). Society already looks like a place where bigotry is wrong, it's just going to take a few years before we get that fully extended homosexuals now that we're finally trying to give them equal rights.

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The problem is not only that what you suggest actually makes sense, but also it doesn't give people that think they deserve something what they think they deserve.  These people don't like that if they call me straight, I don't get offended, whereas if I call them gay for whatever reason, it's an insult.  Therefore, they believe they deserve some sort of reparations because they can't insult me in kind, because their words hold no actual power in this particular case.

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What he said. Boy oh boy, what he said.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 I sort of confused. Is this article talking about homophobia online with players or homophobia in the industry and games themselves.

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I think these groups want to control how the mass majority think and react. Bottom line you go into an Xbox Live chat of game you admit your gay and your going to get pushed out.

The most Liberal Commie State in the United States Califronia voted in a mass majority to ban gay marriage to overturn the courts.

These companies can go ahead and appease gays but all your going to do is appease an minority and force the majority to go elsewhere and in an tense video game wars on sales that can make or break a game.

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So everyone will leave because Microsoft would allow everyone to openly state their sexuality? So the majority is homophobic and will leave if they know Microsoft allow gay players on their network?

I find it hard to believe that Xbox Live is the heterosexuals Vs the homosexuals and that there will only be one winner.

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It could possibly become that if homosexuals get their own servers to play on.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

In many ways this is an example of the Greater Internet Fucktard theory.  The problem isn't that there's homophobia in gaming, the problem is that given a sense of anonymity and a lack of repercussions people feel comfortable being the bigot that they truly are.  Again, the issue is much deeper then "homophobia in games," it's more like, "gaming as an outlet for homophobia in society."

The common usage of "that's gay" to denote something that's bad is an example of the passive aggressive gay-bashing that is an undercurrent in our generally sexually conservative society but it's also, and this is important to remember, a natural development in the organic growth of a language.  For example, I say, "oh man, that's so gay" when something bad happens but I harbor absolutely no ill will towards gay people or concerns about my sexuality - the phrase has just become a part of our lexicon.

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Thank you. Language is becoming more relaxed and tolerant of things, and seems to care more about context rather than face meaning.

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While there definitely is mass homophobia on Xbox-live (by 12-year-old kids that think it's cool to shout every obscenity in the book), I don't want to be banned for saying "that's gay" if I get spawn-killed or something. There is a difference between homophobia/homosexual prejudice and saying "that's gay." The former shows severe intolerence and stupidity, while the latter is just a means of expressing anger at a stupid aspect of a game ^^

O, and if there are safe spaces for lesbos, I want a safe space for straight people like me too. With females. Preferably hot gaming females.

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There is a difference between homophobia/homosexual prejudice and saying "that's gay."

No. Nonono. How would you like it if society used your sexual preference as an alternate way of saying something was bad or annoying? This usage of the word rose out of homophobia and it's ridiculous that you think it's perfectly fine to use it in this way.

Disregarding that fact though, I think it's hilariously ironic that you take a jab at the 'immature 12-year olds' and then in the very next line assert your right to call something gay if you don't like it. If you haven't gotten over calling things gay by the time you're 14 or so, then you sir, are the immature one.

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Um...I would have no problem with people saying "that's straight" or "that's white" to mean something that was bad/annoying. Nice try though. Context means everything, and as long as I understood that the person stating it wasn't make a purposeful jab at my gender/race, I wouldn't care. "That's gay" is used enough in general language as a non-prejudice statement that anyone that finds it prejudice is hilarious to me.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

No.  Nonono.  See, you need to accept that context matters.  If I say "fuck you", does that mean I am discriminating against people who have sex?  Of course not.  Calling something gay to mean that it sucks/is bad/whatever may be tasteless, but it is hardly sufficient in and of itself to be called homophobia.  A more similar example is calling something retarded.  I doubt anybody who does so does it with any sort of malice towards the mentally challenged.  In the sense they mean it, it has become divorced from its "original" meaning.  I put "original" in quotes because retarded didn't actually mean mentally challenged at first, it just meant slowed.  Sort of like gay, in fact.  Gay didn't mean homosexual at first, it meant happy.

I guess what I'm saying is, just because a word is emotionally charged for you, doesn't mean it is for everyone.  You need to look at what they are actually saying to see if it is a homophobic sentiment.  The mere use of the word "gay" is not enough.

And personally, I don't use gay or retarded in the pejorative sense.  As I said, I think it's tasteless.  But I don't think it's necessarily homophobic.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Thanks for defending me while I was gone, lol. I only use it in casual settings (when gaming or with friends) because it is most definitely tasteless in more formal settings.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I think it's about time we reclaimed the words 'gay' and 'queer' from people who like the same gender. It never used to be referring to them, so lets have them back if they don't want them.

I mean what next? We can't use the word 'straight' to mean 'on the level' because it can imply that if you aren't straight (as in, you are gay) you're not on the level?

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

And how exactly does one go about reclaiming a word or two because one is sick of how it's being used?

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Ask black people.  They supposedly reclaimed the N-word.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I want a safe space for straight people like me too. With females. Preferably hot gaming females.

Perhaps you should check out PS Home and be one of the many boys on there that surrounds any female avatar in the hope that this would lead to some sort of real life relationship.

I would like to hear Microsoft's opinion on this issue as they seem to be the ones who have done the most to propagate homophobia, banning gay screen names, banning gay gamers at the request of other gamers. Surprised Lucasarts aren't there too, what with their denial over the existence of homosexuality.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Lol, I never understood back when I played Runescape when males would give free items to female characters. My friend has even convinced others to give him free stuff by having a female avatar and claiming to be a girl. Relationships belong in Reality, not on the internet with random avatars ^^

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I find it odd how discrimination against gay people and Jewish is much worse then Black people, yet racism seems to get the most attention. Hell, discrimination against women gets more attention, and that is probably one of less common type of discrimination when compare to others (within first world countries. I am aware women are treated like crap in countries like India)

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Good luck getting rid of homophobia on Xbox Live.

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