EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

July 15, 2009 -

Anyone who games online knows that negative comments about gay people are all too common. Compounding the problem, even game companies who treat their GLBT employees well seem to be wrestling with the notion of how deal with the open expression of sexual orientation in games.

The good news is that the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) plans to hold a panel discussion in homophobia in videogame culture on Saturday. EA will host the event, which is open to the public, at its Redwood HQ. Other noteworthy organizations which will participate are Microsoft, Second Life publisher Linden Labs, GayGamer.net and the ESA.

Shacknews reports on the agenda:

Topics will include "how to provide safe spaces for LGBT people online, how to ensure the best policies are in place to prevent virtual attacks against LGBT people and how to educate the users of online communities about the effects of homophobia.

The GLAAD website reports that the panel will be composed of:

  • Flynn DeMarco (Alias: Fruite Brute), Founder of GayGamer.net
  • Dan Hewitt, Senior Director of Communications & Industry Affairs for the ESA
  • Caryl Shaw, Senior Producer in the Maxis Studio
  • Cyn Skyberg, VP of Customer Relations at Linden Lab
  • Stephen Toulouse (Gamertag: stepto), Program Manager for Policy and Enforcement on Microsoft's XBox LIVE
  • Moderator: Justin Cole, Director of Digital & Online Media, GLAAD

Comments

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Some people rather lose money rather then trying to report correctly just look at NBC and GE you should of seen the pissed off people at the GE shareholder meeting.

 

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Your last 2 posts didn't make sense grammatically or logically. At least attempt to write your rants in understandable english.

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Generally, the "older" (relatively) gamers, 19,20,21+ aren't all that bad when it comes to things like this. The trash talking usually degrades only down to skill and noob level, not all the way to the bottom where sexual orientation comes into question. Or at least less so than what is normally experienced on a game on Xbox LIVE. This is because the older crowd is dwarfed by the self-centered, spoiled, and generally homophobic tween and young teen boys (12-16).

As long as they run rampant, nothing will change. You can educate and hold panels all you want, but the 13-yr old tea-bagging you in Halo 3 isn't going to change.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

It's not just teens.  In my experience homophobia seems to extend well into the twenties and thirties.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

It's the mass majority of people again the most Liberal Commie state in the union voted to ban Gay marriage which overturned the Supreme Court decision.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

When the conservatives blatantly lied to the people voting in the issue?

 

Also IT'S THE FUCKING JOB of the courts to protect the minority because you generally don't get the majority voting to stop the persecution

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

No, it's the court's job to interpret the law.  Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States, or in any State constituion, is it written that minorities deserve special protection.  Do you know why?  Because it would create an unfair advantage for some.  The Constitution explicitly states that "All Men are Created Equal."  By giving minorities some sort of advantage, the Supreme Court would be expressly violating the Constitution, which is the exact opposite of what they are supposed to do.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

"Topics will include "how to provide safe spaces for LGBT people online"

And what makes them so special that they need to be cotton-wrapped and given special treatment? They're gay, big deal.

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 And what makes them so special that they need to be cotton-wrapped and given special treatment? They're gay, big deal.

That isn't the problem, in fact, you are ignoring the real problem. The people that care that others are gay are the ones who spend their days trying to place gender assignments on other people. This isn't just a gay/straight thing, that would be ignoring the problem. This is a gender problem that has moved to the gay/straight front.

If you really think that bigots should be representative of online groups, then when can gaming groups ever be taken seriously?

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Gender assignment? Eh?

Not sure what you're going on about but gender swapping is well known about within gaming with many people interested in why people choose opposite gender avatars.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 Assignment as in "The male gender can only be defined along certain perameters". What makes the gender stylistically, not what gender.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Society is getting to a point where we are all sorted into just 2 groups- opressors or the opressed.  There seems to be a new designer victim group created every single day.  Just wait until the asexual rights groups gain steam.

That said, I personally don't want to play XBL, WOW, or anything else with redneck 12 year old gay-haters.  I'm all in favor of expanding filtering and rating features to allow those little shits to be weeded out.

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Society is getting to a point where we are all sorted into just 2 groups- opressors or the opressed

This is no differnt in the past.

What has changed is that groups that are being treated poorly are more likly to get empathy and support from larger groups AND the barrier to show displeasure has decreased.  In the past the oppressed just stayed quiet until it got bad enough for violent retaliation.  This public discourse has provided a valuable safty valve on these issues.  It no longer takes a riot or death to get a group's issues on the table.  Sure this means more groups are talking, but shutting them up does not actually solve any problems.

The past was MUCH better at hiding problems.  But a lot of people were misserable (treated like crap) and had no path to doing anything about it.  I'll take today's whiney PC to 'if I talk about this I might get blacklisted at best and lynched at worst' any day.

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"I'll take today's whiney PC to 'if I talk about this I might get blacklisted at best and lynched at worst' any day."

This statement just proves how hypocritical you are, because PC does the "blacklisted at best" happens to people who speak their mind, much less people who are actually homophobic.  Like me, saying that I believe gay marriage should be decided by a vote of the people of each state vs. activist Supreme Court justices.  The first time I said that on GP, I was blasted as being a homophobe.  I have more than one gay friend, and none of them want gay marriage.  Does that make them homophobes too?

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I have more than one gay friend, and none of them want gay marriage.  Does that make them homophobes too?

It depends on the reason.  I have one gay acquaintance who opposes gay marriage because he thinks marraige is a bad thing and for gays to want to get married is in his opinion replicating the negative structures of heterosexuality. 

I have another gay acquaintance who opposed gay marriage because he was homophobic.  Even though he self-identified as gay anything that even hinted of homosexuality freaked him out. We went to a gay bar once -- the straightest gay bar I've ever seen -- and he wouldn't even use the restroom.

 

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Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Trust me, they're not homophobes.  They believe that gay people should shut up, considering that gay people who act like normal people are accepted in this world.  Also, they believe that this isn't the time to be actively fighting the government over some false claim of equality, considering there is a horrible job market, the economy is in the toilet, crime is on the rise and terrorists want to destroy this country.  They believe that, after those problems are fixed, maybe we can talk about it, instead of outright demanding it and getting pissed at people for not believing it should be granted.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

The two blacklists are not even remotely the same.

Saying something mildly un-PC will get you some nasty looks and a little flaming.  And then a bunch of like minded people come to support and bail you out.  You have to say/do something pretty significant or be someone pretty significant for it to even vaugly effect you and even then you still get an outpouring of support from others.

Have you ever known someone who was actually blacklisted?  Your life is destroyed in the process.  No one comes to help since they don't want to be destroyed too.   

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Careers are ruined because of un-PC comments.  Don Imus for example.  Being in any position of power and saying anything not PC will get your life ruined.  That's the way it is.  You just think it's okay because it's happening to straight white people.

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--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Funny. Cause he's BACK ON THE RADIO. Let us take a look.

Today: Uh, the worst is, you could probably lose your job. While yes, that can be devastating, especially in today's job market and failing economy, it's still just that, unless you go out of your way to actually, do or incite something illegal, in which case you could face court. Because your are doingk, or inciting, something illegal.

Let's turn the clock back. Let's go...Well, technically, there's two events, but I'll summarize as one: The Red Scare. The overpowering (and still presistent among certain groupings even now) of, *gasp!*, COMMUNISM!

If you were blacklisted back then, you didn't even NEED to be a Communist, just under the suspicion of being one. Or maybe you were Socialist (which does NOT mean you are Communist). You know what could have happened then? Harrassed. Arrest. Imprisoned. Deported. Some were even killed.

It was WAY fucking worse to be blacklisted back then, then it is now.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Just because blacklisting was arguably worse fifty years ago, it's okay to blacklist people today for the same things (speaking their minds)?  Explain that.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I'm not. Nor are they actually blacklisted. Fired =/= blacklisted. If it's a public figure, or if they reach the public's attention? They're not blacklisted, either.

Shunned, yes. But NOT blacklisted, unless it's by some organization. But the public is not an organization. And while at a job, they may keep it on their records on you, but it's not something shared with other employers. While you can say those records are "blacklisting" that's still something of a stretch. You can get other jobs elsewhere; it may suck, but you still have that option.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Making un-PC comments is something legally REQUIRED to be informed to future employers.  It is also something that can legally be used to prevent hiring of a prospective employee.  Thus, Political Correctness is defacto restriction on free speech and, I admit, a "tamer" form of blacklisting than what was used before.

Doesn't change that I can't say what I like without having to worry about getting into trouble in a country that's supposed to allow me to say what I like.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Then provide all laws pretaining to this, as I have never heard of such.

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 "I have more than one gay friend, and none of them want gay marriage.  Does that make them homophobes too?"

That makes you a liar, because your gay friend doesn't exist. Just like how all those republican "black friend"'s don't exist. In case you are wondering, yes, I am blasting you for being a deceitful human being, and for the last time, there's no thing as activist judges. Only judges you don't agree with.

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"I believe that a Latina woman would come to a better conclusion than an old White man."

Yeah, that's not activist at all.

I also like how you totally sidestep my actual question of whether or not a gay person who doesn't believe that gays should be allowed to marry is a homophobe.  Way to be a douchebag by claiming to know me.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 So when it comes to perspective based opinions, different life history doesn't play into it. God damn you are butthurt.

But I've heard social conservatives say that all the time. Yeah, they have exactly ONE gay friend, who believes in anti-gay legislation. I cry "bullshit", to you and the other 30 people who have told me in person exactly that (Not counting the internet personalities). The idea that a gay man or woman would go against their interest is a step above the "People chose to be gay" claim. Reminds me of a David Cross joke.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

Well, I'm white and I don't believe enslaving black people is okay.  Doesn't that disagree with what you are saying?  I'm not rich, but I don't believe the government should give me a paycheck for sitting on my ass on the backs of rich people.  By your argument I don't exist because I'm going against my interest.

You sir are a biggot for thinking that a gay person can't have an opinion against gay marriage.  And you're an idiot for thinking I don't have gay friends.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

 I'm a bigot against my own lifestyle. Yeah, remember recently when you called me a retard. What's that old saying? "It's like the pot calling the kettle black"?.

I'm saying you don't have any gay "friend" (Key word) because every conservative that doesn't agree with gay rights, can just remedy that by having exactly "one gay friend" (Only one) that agree with your position, even though that has nothing to do what they might not have said (Because they don't exist). You may think that description was a little specific, but understand, when you (I) spend a ton of time identifying bullshit for a living (For fun). Well, you (I) tend to be nuanced.

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I have three gay friends.  I think that they are really cool people (thus them being my friends) and the fact of the matter is they don't believe that gays should get married.  So you believe that my friends first of all don't exist, and if they did they aren't "gay" enough for you.  That is biggotry my friend, and no, being gay doesn't mean you aren't able to be a biggot.

Also, I suggest your BS meter be fixed, considering you're trying to make judgement calls about people you've never met based on an idea you have about other people stemming from the fact that you're unwilling to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

I'm sure your "friends" have a good reason.

But you don't get it, I'm implying you made up said friends because for every person who opposes gay marriage, they can remedy it because they have a gay friend who believes in exactly what they say. Which is highly suspicious, and incredibly enough, complete bullshit. The only bigot in the situation here is the one who has to cover their ass by adding the token person.

I don't have to listen to what you say, because all of it (Yes, everything you have said here) is a lie and exaggeration.

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Keep telling yourself that, if that's what it takes to make yourself feel better about shoving your life choice down other people's throats and expecting us to pass laws for you.  Meanwhile, my gay friends and I will play DnD, not caring what you think.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

"That said, I personally don't want to play XBL, WOW, or anything else with redneck 12 year old gay-haters.  I'm all in favor of expanding filtering and rating features to allow those little shits to be weeded out."

This.

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This this.

Re: EA to Host Panel on Homophobia in Gaming

What makes them special is the fact that homophobia is virtually a pandemic online.  Gamers seem to be about the most gay-obsessed people on Earth.

 
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