In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" For Video Games

July 21, 2009 -

In Parliament yesterday, longtime video game industry critic Keith Vaz (Labour) quizzed Siôn Simon (left), Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Department for Culture, Media & Sport about PEGI ratings and the controversial Japanese game RapeLay.

Conservative Mark Field jumped in on the topic, appearing to suggest the pursuit of a global content rating system for video games. Surprisingly, Simon said that the UK's recent adoption of the European PEGI system was viewed by the Gordon Brown government as "the building block to moving towards a global regulatory future."

The conversation went something like this:

Keith Vaz: What recent discussions has [Simon] had with pan-European game information on the age classification of video games?

Siôn Simon:
I have spoken to the Video Standards Council—the current UK agents for the PEGI system—about the classification of video games and have another meeting scheduled with it very soon. I have also had discussions with the British Board of Film Classification. Both organisations are working hard to ensure the success of the new system.

Keith Vaz:
I thank the Minister for his answer and welcome the steps that the Government are taking on this issue. However, it is still a matter of concern that a game such as "RapeLay", which shows extreme violence against women, can be downloaded from the internet. What steps are the Government taking to ensure that such games are not accessed from the internet, so that children and young people are properly protected?

Siôn Simon: We should be clear that [RapeLay] was not classified, but was briefly available on Amazon and then was banned. The point that my right hon. Friend is making is about games that, like other brutal, unpleasant, illegal content, can be available on the internet. All steps that apply to any other content on the internet will apply to games. Specifically, as part of the Byron review we set up the UK Council for Child Internet Safety to work with content providers, internet service providers and all aspects of Government to make sure that such content cannot be accessed, particularly by children.

Mark Field: The Minister will know that Britain is a great leader in video and computer games, and while I take on board many of the concerns expressed by Keith Vaz, will the Minister recognise that this is a global industry, not simply a European one, and in so far as we are going to have the safeguards to which the right hon. Gentleman refers, we will clearly also need to have global regulation along those lines?

Siôn Simon: The system of regulation for which we have opted—the PEGI system—is pan-European, and as such, we see it as the building block to moving towards a global regulatory future. The key principle is that the markings on games should make it clear to parents which games are suitable for adults and which are suitable and unsuitable for children and young children. Adults should be allowed to access adult content; children most certainly should not.

GP: Readers, what do you think of the idea of a global content rating system? Is it even possible? If so, is it desirable?

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Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Maybe there's some extreme cases but don't say me that you don't have to take out your wallet every time you pay a visit to a doctor.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Actually, I pay 75 bucks for any doctor's visit, including x-rays and many other services.  So yes, I take out of my wallet, but less than I spend in a week on games.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

75 bucks? That's robbery...

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

 you pay 600 euros per month to pay for doctor visits you may not make.  Him paying 75 dollars for a once a year check up doesn't sound so bad in comparison.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

And? I pay for other people, and other people pay for me, it sounds like a fair deal to me.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

 and AL paying $75 for his own self sounds like a fair deal as well.  You're trying to separate your own system from the american one, trying to claim yours is practically a gift from God while the american version is nothing but utter crap where 50% of the people who go into the hospital die.  But guess what?  They're both pretty damn good, and they both have their ups and their downs.  You like your ups, and I like mine.  What's so damn hard to get there?

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

 Not every time, no.  But you have to give part of each of your paychecks to them.  Same song, different dance.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Yes i have to, but i can use more money than i give if needed.

Let's say i earn 2000€ a month, with that amount i pay about 30% of taxes or 600€. Usually the employer pays that (he also pays various insurances plus extra taxes from his pocket), i don't have to bother myself, so without taxes i earn 1400€. Now if that month i need an operation that costs 10,000€ or more (if i have an accident or something) i'll pay only for the hospital's room, for medication (which is partially reimboursed anyway) and i don't have to pay the doctor for regular check ups and reeducation. In the end i save more money by sacrificing a small part of my salary and i don't have to worry about my health.

Yes other people pay for me but i also pay for them when i don't need this money, i'm fine with that and i don't see why i shouldn't be.

On the side of that my kids are going to school for free, get their teeth checked for nothing, the streets are clean, i'don't pay when i drive on the highway and i can say to my local politician that he's a drunkard without consequences. In the end i get more than what i paid for. It's just why you amercians can't get a global health care, you're not ready to give up a part of your salary for solidarity.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

 And you know what this system sounds like?  It sounds just like an american health insurance system, but instead of it getting taken directly out of your paycheck, you get to decide who covers your healthcare and choose the best for your money.  Most will provide the exact same service as you stated above.  Some better, some worse.  Hell, you can even decide to have no insurance, and instead use that money on whatever suits your fancy.  After all, it's not morally right to tell a person what they have to do with their own money.  In the end, americans sacrifice a portion of their salary by choosing and paying directly for their own health insurance, and they don't have to worry about their health.

As for that last paragraph, that has nothing to do with the conversation.  And again, it's false as well.  All that stuff isn't free.  You're paying it with your taxes.  The fact that you don't actively pay doesn't change the fact that you're paying for it all.  

As for the telling the local politician anything...do you really think it's different in America?  There were entire news sites both on tv and on the internet that were devoted to doing nothing else than calling GW Bush an idiot.  Do you really think this is some kind of a police state that will throw you in prison for voicing your own opinion?  If so, then you really need to stop talking, cause you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

And trust me, giving away part of your paycheck to socialism does not ensure solidarity.  The socialists in this country have tried before, and in the end we get areas like Watts, Compton, Chicago, and most other slums.  It's also given us the CA 405, and the CA 10 highways, which are a proper fuck in of themselves.  Meanwhile, the toll roads (what few there are) are privately owned freeways, and are some of the best in the world, with minimum traffic.  So excuse me if I don't see the benefits of socialism for a place as big and diverse as the USA.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Yes it sounds like it, but aren't there different prices for different services? Can you afford the same insurance as the guy who earns ten times more than you?

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

 No, I probably couldn't.  And you know what?  I probably shouldn't either.  

If the guy really does make 10x my salary, then he deserves the best treatment he can get.  Forcing him to pay 30% of his paycheck for the same service that I pay 30% for (or, him pay 10x what I pay for the exact same service, which is what it comes down to) doesn't sound all that fair or right to me.  The guy has the money, and most of the time the guy deserves the money cause he's worked hard to get it.  So if he can afford a better health insurance, he should get it.  Meanwhile, I'll pay for the insurance I can get, and while it won't have as many bells or whistles as the other guys, I certainly won't be worse off for it.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

You know where else you can find racism?  The far left. 

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

I know, extremism is bad.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

It means more than that. Consider how many games are censored in Europe and the EU nations.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Huh? Haven't seen any so far.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Germany trying to ban any violent video games?  This is news to you?  They had it here on GP like, last week.  There was a march and a petition.

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Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

He said in Europe, but Europe is not for massive bans of things. I don't live in Germany so i don't really care, PEGI system works fine for me.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Please, not this shit again.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Can someone explain what it means first I'm a bit confused.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

Are we talking about a world-wide Ratings? ESRB Global kinda thing?

Actually, no, I can say forget it.

Each culture is different, and each country has their own idea of good and evil. One rating board to cover the entire world would need a rep from each country, and most of the little ones would be completely overlooked.

No, it's best each culture takes it upon themselves to decide individually. ESRB for North America, PEGI for Europe, etc. We're all different; we need to treat each other as such.

Re: In Parliament, Suggestion of "Global Regulatory Future" ...

This.  Dear God, this.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

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GP: Readers, what do you think of the idea of a global content rating system? Is it even possible? If so, is it desirable?

 

I can honestly say I would not be a fan

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What, you mean you don't think that there is, or could possibly be, one single global standard for what is offensive and what is not?  You so crazy.

Seriously though, this is an incredibly stupid idea.  Every culture around the world has different things that they do or do not find offensive, and trying to find overlap between all of them would leave us with practically nothing being available to anybody.

Once again, we see the failure of these politicians to understand the difference between a commercial, rated release of a videogame, making it widely available, and things like online flash games, foreign imports, unrated games, etc.  The media loves to call politicians out on being wrong and out of touch.  How is it that they have let these guys slide with their misinformation for so long?  It drives me nuts.

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Agreed on the cultural differences part. For all the Rapelay-related stories, doesn't it strike anyone as odd of the game being a legal topic of discussion halfway around the world, and not in its own country? What is the Japanese government's view of Rapelay being sold in a store made for general audiences? We hear more about it from where the origin of the content is out of our jurisdiction.

GameSnooper

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Let the world regulate itself. If there's something all politicians hate doing, it's rolling with the punches.

GameSnooper

 
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