Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych Associations

July 22, 2009 -

As GamePolitics indicated yesterday, an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief has been filed in support of California's petition requesting that the U.S. Supreme Court review the constitutionality of the state's 2005 violent video game law. To date, two lower federal courts have deemed the measure unconstitutional.

The brief was filed today on behalf of State Sen. Leland Yee (D), the sponsor of the contested statute as well as the California Psychiatric and California Psychological Associations. Yee himself is a child psychologist by profession. He also notes in the brief that he has authored several bills protecting free speech rights in circumstances other than violent games.

In seeking to explain to the Supreme Court why it should approve California's petition for a full hearing, the 15-page document maintains that the state has a compelling interest in restricting children's access to such games. The oft-heard argument about the interactivity of video games is among the theories put forth:

The interactive nature of video games is vastly different than passively listening to music, watching a movie, or reading a book. With interactive video games, the child becomes a part of the action which serves as a potent agent to facilitate violence and over time learns the destructive behavior.

 

This immersion results in a more powerful experience and potentially dangerous learned behavior in children and youth...

The brief also suggests that video games present a new type of challenge for parents in their efforts to monitor their children's media diet:

Parents can read a book, watch a movie or listen to a CD to discern if it is appropriate for their child. These violent video games, on the other hand, can contain up to 800 hours of footage with the most atrocious content often reserved for the highest levels and can be accessed only by advanced players after hours upon hours of progressive mastery.

And, while federal courts have not to date been swayed by research suggesting that violent video games lead to real-world violence, the brief points to such studies in support of its position:

Just as the technology of video games improves at astonishing rates, so to does the body of research consistently demonstrate the harmful effects these violent interactive games have on minors. Over three thousand peer-reviewed studies, produced over a period of 30 years documenting the effects of screen violence (including violent video games), have now been published...

 

These data suggest very strongly that participating in the playing of violent video games by children and youth increase aggressive thought and behavior; increase antisocial behavior and delinquency; engender poor school performance; desensitize the game player to violence...

Surprisingly, GamePolitics comes in for a mention in the brief. GP's Legislation Tracker feature is referenced as a means of pointing out the wide variety of legislation aimed at video games around the United States.

Sen. Yee's office has issued a press release on the filing of the amicus brief, including a link to the brief (15-page PDF). The Supreme Court is expected to consider California's petition in the fall.


Comments

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Not Filed by Sen. Yee After All

After all his bluster over "filing" an amicus brief, it turns out that Yee never actually filed an amicus brief. Instead, according to the docket, Yee filed a motion seeking permission to file the amicus brief:

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-1448.htm

There's a huge difference between filing and seeking permission to file, and further proves that Yee is a liar and an incompetent.

 

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Not Filed by Sen. Yee After ...

I think this could be the end for the California video game law

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

You know what's really funny is CA is so bankrupt that they are having to release prisoners from jail yet they still have money to defend this POS legislation. Oh and it might be worth mentioning that Yee voted against banning lead a poisonous substance from children's toys. Yeah he really cares about the kids rofl epic fail.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Vegeta. I think my scouter says that Yee's Stupidety level has just reached OVER 9,000!!!!!

 

TBoneTony

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

What? 9000?! There's no way that can be right! The guy's a child psychologist!

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

You know.... people like Yee will always tell lies, even outrageous lies like he has just done.

800 hours??? (150 hours I might understand but 800????)

Videogames using violence to sell to kids? (Manhunt 2 and BMX XXX were games that never sold well) Also we have games on every console selling well regardless of violence or not. There are violent games that sell well as well as non-voilent games selling well. Ever wonder why Mario has lasted for almost 30 years??? Wii Sports and other Sport type of games have been some of the most popular videogames even from those who are not core gamers.

Yee talks the talk, but he can never walk the walk. Ask him if he has ever played a Videogame, and ask him if he has looked at the bottom left hand corner of the box for the all important parental information and he will be lost in what you are talking about.

Or he might know but he has never bothered to tell the parents that there is a symbol on the box of EVERY Videogame sold in America that lets parents know if this game is suitable for their child under 17.

Look, even when Yee went on condeming Night Trap for all the 'sex' that it did not have in the game...you know that this is what a politician like him has been doing for all too long.

Caliafornia, you deserve better than this pile of waste of tax payers money.

 

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I understand where you're coming from on this, and I agree with your general attitude towards the issue, BUT no symbol, rating or ratings board can tell any parent what is suitable for their child.  Ratings are SUGGESTIONS, not rules, and in the end it's ALWAYS the parents who are responsible for figuring out what's suitable for their child.  Sometimes the ESRB rating is not strict enough, and sometimes it's way too strict.  That's why the ESRB itself recognises that their ratings are only a general guide to content and that the parents are the ultimate authority.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

So the two amicus briefs filed on behalf of California have both been...

'For God's sake, won't somebody think of the Children!'

There's a part of me that recoils in horror at the thought that most politicians attitude towards the general public is that of Ned Flanders' wife...

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

You mean Helen Lovejoy.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Yeah, not a big watcher of the Simpsons, so I got the characters mixed ;)

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

It was actually Reverend Lovejoy's wife who has it as a catchphrase.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Makes every Simpsons fan wish she'd die like Ned Flanders' wife did.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

The Amicus curaie of yee's is like watching a slow train wreck waiting to happen

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Is it just me or the EMA and ESA are taking longer

The response of EMA and the Entertainment Software Association, our co-plaintiff in the case, to the state's request is due July 22.

The Court will likely announce in the early fall whether it will take the case.

 

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

"The interactive nature of video games is vastly different than passively listening to music, watching a movie, or reading a book. With interactive video games, the child becomes a part of the action which serves as a potent agent to facilitate violence and over time learns the destructive behaviour."

[CITATION NEEDED]

 

 

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Some of us here have mentioned perjury (including myself) in response to Yee's brief, but let's forget the legalities for a bit. Perjury may not be as black and white as we are making it out to be, but morals and ethics definately are.

Even if Yee and the psychologists do not get charged, or they do get charged and then acquitted, from moral and ethical standpoints they have lied. They may or may not suffer the criminal aspects of lying, but they sure as hell will suffer the moral consequences and hopefully the civil penalties.

This hypocrisy is beyond sickening. Senator Yee, while concerned with the morals of the children of his district and the nation, is obviously not practicing morals himself. Although I can not blame him for being concerned for the moral fiber of children, I definately fault him for the tactics he is willing to stoop to and he is doing this while trying to strip, whether it be in the long term or the short term, the most base of this nation's most basic right from the video game industry. The right to free, unabridged speech. We all expect more out of our elected officials. The same goes for the psychologists who sided with him in the brief.

Who the hell are politicians to fault the video game industry for shootings, sexual assaults, and other crimes when they can not live up to their own morals, ethics, and laws? What in the hell gives any lying, cheating, or any morally (or even legally) bankrupt politician the moral right to legislate morality? I do not care what any study says, how credible it is, how down the middle the scientists conducting the study are, politicians who have no moral, ethical, or legal values have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to fault anyone or anything for this nation's problems. They have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to legislate against the constitutional freedoms of anyone and anything.

The concerns of the moral integrity of the children of Senator Yee and the psychologists who filed the brief may be just, but their tactics and ethics are not. Their lies in this brief expose them as hypocrits. They have no moral right to target the industry period. They have no moral right to fault anyone else for this nation's problems with violent children.

Will Yee and the psychologists face perjury charges? Maybe, only time will tell. Will Yee and the psychologists face the moral and ethical consequences for lying? Yes, they all will.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

"He also notes in the brief that he has authored several bills protecting free speech rights in circumstances other than violent games."

So, in addition to being wasteful, intellectually dishonest, and politically opportunistic, he's also hypocritical. Way to go, Yee.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I have only one question:

How much is the ESA paying Yee and the Eagle Forum to screw up any chance of this law being reviewed by SCotUS?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

What makes you say that Yee is screwing up the chances for this bill being reviewed.  I doubt that SCotUS has any idea that these folks are slinging BS, particularly if no one steps up and challenges them.

Don't get me wrong, I hope you're right, but I'd argue disinformation is oftentimes quite effective in influening policy.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Well, thing is, this is the Court of Appeal for the Court of Appeal, if you want them to listen to your case, you better have a darn good reason for why you think the previous two courts you went through were wrong in their judgement.

This document doesn't even attempt to touch on that, what the Supremes want to hear is why they should hear your case when it's already been judged twice, not a simple regurgitation of arguments that were already thrown out by those previous courts.

This is just an over-emotional, wishy-washy whinge with zero legal substance, based on hearsay, and not covering a single point as to why, when two courts have not accepted these arguments, the Supreme Court should even consider listening to them again.

 

Though it actually pains me to say it, because, for all Yee's faults, he doesn't actively despise people who enjoy more violent Video Games, but it reads more than a little bit like a Jack Thompson pleading.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Lol, I wouldnt be at all surprised if that were true, it'd go a long way towards explaining this heap of trash anyway

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Good question. Whatever it is, it ain't enough.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I have only one thing to say to Mr. Yee and his assosiates...*ahem* BULLSHIT!!!

Take your ignorance and prejudice to yourselves. We're all sick of your blatent scaremongering to get attention. You have no real scientific proof, your lame and tired excuses are the oldest ones in the book, and you have no case. Do the world a favor, the next time you have a thought...let it go.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm tired of having the same argument with the equivilent of a 5 year old with alzheimers.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

yea it gets pretty stupid doesnt it


Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Thats an understatement.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Manhunt 1 and 2 got more violent as you went along...But it was awesome violence and tons of fun

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

All together now.........

"What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

Leland Yee also perjured himself in his piece of garbage amicus brief with "800 hours of footage", "increasing violence the further into the game", and citing statistics that are contrary to the FTC's own research.

If the parents can read a children's book, watch a movie, or listen to a music CD to see if it's appropriate for their child, there's nothing stopping them from playing the video game, regardless of how long the game is.

Can't wait to see the look on the piece of trash's face when SCOTUS refuses to even hear California's appeal.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

He also lied by making the statments about a Parent being able to read the books they want or don't want their children to read, music they want or don't want their children to listen to, and watch movies they want or don't want their children to watch.

Remember, it was Yee's contention that Parents were "too harried" to even read a rating letter on a box, content descriptors on a box, or read the back of the box of a video game, let alone do any more thorough research with the multitude of resources out there on video games.

If they are too harried to do even that, then they are too harried to read a book from cover to cover, listen to a CD of multiple songs, or watch a movie from beginning to end (which, on the average, takes 1.5 hours or even more).

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Another lie was the "3,000 studies over 30 years" crap, while actively ignoring studies that proves the opposite of what he's saying.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Also note that he is condensing those studies to "screen violence".  Not just video game violence.  Though he previously stated that video games are unique and should be treated seperately.

This is like arguing against gay marriage and claiming that "the majority of the nation is christian and opposes gay marriage", failing to mention that Christianity is made up of a large number of subcatagories, and each of those subcatagories has their own subcatagories, and each and every subjcatagory has their own beliefs which actually contradict one another and don't share the same belief on the issue.  It's like hijacking someone's vote.  "They're Christian, I'm Christian, so they MUST agree with me because we're both Christian."

Video games are different than other forms of media because they are interactive but we'll use studies on "screen violence" and who will notice we just hijacked results from forms of media that we just claimed are different.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

*slams head on desk* how the F*** are you too lazy to even read the rating on the box....here is the perfect solution.....

 

 

 

annoying brat-Mommy i want this grand theft auto game

 

stupid parent-*puts the game away* no i dont feel like bothering with it or making sure its a appropriate game for you we are leaving...

 

 

Wow Look at that Problem Solved

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Thank you I Love hearing that billy madison line


Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Ah yee your stupidity can only be surpassed by your lies and the sheer obscession of getting this stupid law overturned by the supreme court. And yet your state is now cutting billions of dollars on higher-ed programs, releasing dangerous criminals early, cutting healthcare for children and the elderly. And they have the testicular fortitute to take their failed law to the supreme court??? WAKE UP CALIFORNIA LAWMAKERS you are wasting money for something that will not advance your state in any way shape or form. This is extreme politics at it's best. No wonder some of my Cali friends call it "The bear flag banana republic"

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

this most recent opinion, coupled with the eagle forum's opinion just made this not worth the Courts time

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Parents can read a book, watch a movie or listen to a CD to discern if it is appropriate for their child. These violent video games, on the other hand, can contain up to 800 hours of footage with the most atrocious content often reserved for the highest levels and can be accessed only by advanced players after hours upon hours of progressive mastery

This is one of the wackiest paragraphs I have ever read. The first sentence is alright, makes sense, but then he goes into crazy land. 800 hours of footage is incomprehensible. I'm not even really sure what he means by 'footage'. If he's talking about non-interactive cut scenes/movie clips, then he's insane, because the longest amount in a video game is far below 100 hours (the Xenosaga games I'm guessing). If he's talking about actual playtime, then it gets impossible to tell what this could mean. I mean sure, I can leave a game turned on for 1000 hours, that doesn't mean it has 1000 hours of 'footage', since I can just as easily leave a DVD paused for 1000 hours. If he's talking about actual active playtime, then he's just plain wrong. The only thing like that is games that don't have an end. TF2, L4D, and every MMO I guess (but these games don't have changing content for the most part).

Then there's this whole concept of games getting more violent as you progress. What the shit? I have NEVER heard of a game that does this. I suppose you could consider it as you get access to more powerful weaponry later in the game? But really, all his claims are so vague it's hard to tell exactly what he means.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

"But really, all his claims are so vague it's hard to tell exactly what he means."

 

That very well may be the entire point.

 

Make vague claims, and pray that the judges take his word on it and don't demand proof, and that the images they get i ntheir heads horrify them enough to get them to rule in his favor.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Hey Yee, how about talking about the law in question instead of bs studies?

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Terrible brief.  It barely even discusses the "law," just babbles on with a largely irrelevant think-of-the-children argument.

And I'm sick of restrictions on videogames being compared to restrictions on alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.  They're not restrictions on speech.  From a constitutional perspective, they're not in the same league.  Hell, they're not even playing the same sport.  And most importantly, they're not subject to strict scrutiny.

 

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Let's just hope that the Supreme Court actually does what it is supposed to do and interprets the law, instead of deciding that they have to change the law to think of the children.

---

Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Think that's bad, look at the eagle forum's brief which is a combination of california's petition, yee amicus brief all dumped into a vat of steroids

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Here's an idea, how about getting this guy pushed out of office for libel and slander? There are so many outright lies in his statement it's ridiculous.

These violent video games, on the other hand, can contain up to 800 hours of footage with the most atrocious content often reserved for the highest levels and can be accessed only by advanced players after hours upon hours of progressive mastery.

800 Hours of footage? Not even Oblivion, Morrowind, and Fallout 3 combined had that much content, and they're widely considered some of the biggest (content-wise) games around. What game is he playing?

Just as the technology of video games improves at astonishing rates, so to does the body of research consistently demonstrate the harmful effects these violent interactive games have on minors. Over three thousand peer-reviewed studies, produced over a period of 30 years documenting the effects of screen violence (including violent video games), have now been published...

Why is it that these people cite dozens of studies on this, but they never show a single source?

Parents can read a book, watch a movie or listen to a CD to discern if it is appropriate for their child.

This guy has obviously never seen the front of a video game box before... See that big black "M" on the front of the box Mr Yee?  That's a parent's first clue that the game is FOR ADULTS.

These data suggest very strongly that participating in the playing of violent video games by children and youth increase aggressive thought and behavior; increase antisocial behavior and delinquency; engender poor school performance; desensitize the game player to violence...

Source please...  Oh wait, you dont have one do you?  That's right, it can't possibly be rising poverty, drug problems, and parents that dont give a crap about their kids.  It has to be those conflabbed evil game-tape players! BAN THEM!

This kind of thing ticks me off so much...

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I don't think a blu-ray disc can fit that much content.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I dont even think most HARD DRIVES could fit that much content

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, Jack Thompson'll justify it in the end." - nightwng2000

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

The only people that would have thousands of hours of video footage (remember 800 is just for ONE GAME) are professional broadcasting companies, and a few movie pirates that have lots of "booty" stored in their "pirate ships", usually more PC cases to contain the hard drives.

GameSnooper

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Agreed we are talking about Terabytes at this point and the biggest external harddrive i've seen is what? like 2 Tb?

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

"What game is he playing?"

Easy answer. None.

Only someone who has never done any research on the industry or media at all can coem up with that figure.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

I've never played a game that got more and more violent as you progressed.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

Me either to be honest, at least not beyond the level that, for example, in Chess, a Knight is a more dangerous enemy than a Pawn. More challenging, certainly, but not more violent.

Re: Supreme Court Amicus Brief Filed by Sen. Yee & Psych ...

So, when is the ESA going to file thier brief screaming "Bullshit!" at all these false claims?  Because anyone can file a brief.  I think if you went through the right paperwork and red tape, even an average jane reading this website could file a brief with the Court.  That's not saying they'll read it, but they will read the most prominent ones.

I almost wish the the Supreme Court does hear the case.  Let's not forget, all this current noise is about just getting the Court to accept the case.  They get thousands of cases a year, and only judge over about 100.  Yes, it would be a gamble, but the payoff would be great.  If the Supreme Court itself told Yee to fuck off, then that would pretty much squash any other politicians' hopes of using the gaming industry as a scapegoat to earn more sympathy votes with Family organizations.  Now, it is true that the Court has gone against lower court precidence in the past, but it was usually for something major like Civil Liberties for black people and that sort of thing.  I doubt the Supreme Court would counter what the lower courts have said when it comes to something as socially minor as video games.

 
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E. Zachary KnightZippy, So you can't find even one?08/29/2014 - 1:04pm
ZippyDSMleeAndrew Eisen:Right because shes prefect and never exaggerates... *rolls eyes*08/29/2014 - 12:53pm
SleakerAnd honestly, nearly all of the games she references, or images she depicts I've always cringed at and wondered why they were included in games to begin with, from pinups through explicit sexual depictions or direct abuse. I think it's cheap storytelling.08/29/2014 - 12:35pm
Sleaker@AE - aren't most people fundamentally misunderstanding her at this point? haha.. On a related note I think a lot of the backlash is coming from males that think she is telling them their 'Generic Male Fantasy' is bad and wrong.08/29/2014 - 12:33pm
Andrew EisenAnd no, I don't think the female community would be upset over the performance of a case study in and of itself. Possibly the mostivations behind such a study, the methodology or conclusions but not the mere idea of a case study.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
Andrew EisenAmusingly, these videos aren't saying you can't/shouldn't use tropes or that sexual representations are inherently problematic so those are very silly things to have a problem with and indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of the series.08/29/2014 - 12:29pm
SleakerDo you think the female community would get extremely angry over a male doing a case study on the negative impact of sex-novels and their unrealistic depiction of males and how widespread they are in american culture?08/29/2014 - 12:25pm
SleakerThe other thing that people might find problematic is that they see no problem with sexual representations of females (or males) in games. And realistically, why is there anything wrong with sexual representations in fiction?08/29/2014 - 12:24pm
SleakerTo even discuss or bring up these issues at a cultural level to begin with. Going straight for games to many probably feels like a huge overstepping given that it's interactive story in many cases, and when you're telling a story why can't you use tropes.08/29/2014 - 12:21pm
 

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