New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

August 7, 2009 -

New anti-piracy regulations implemented by the Swedish government triggered a 30% drop in web traffic on the day they came into effect, reports AFP.

Some Swedish experts maintain that illegal downloading accounts for 50-75% of all web traffic and the slump indicates that would-be file-sharers were deterred by the tougher laws, which became effective on April 1st.

Under the new regulations, copyright holders may forces ISPs to give up user data on file-sharers. This information could then form the basis for legal action against individual Swedes.

Swedish Games Industry Association spokesman Per Stroemback praised the new law:

[It is] a historic example of effective legislation... No one could predict such a dramatic decrease in illegal traffic and not only that there's also been a huge increase in the legal [download] services.

However, Christian Engstroem (left), who serves as deputy leader of Sweden's Pirate Party as well as a member of the European Parliament, argued that Internet users will be unjustly punished by the new regulations:

This is a completely unequal law, where ordinary people will become scapegoats and will be asked for hundreds of thousands or millions of (Swedish) crowns by the industry. I don't think it will be efficient in the long run. I believe the traffic is going to climb up again after some months.

-Doug Buffone, ECA Intern


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

I just love the fact that it's assumed, without any investigation into the matter, that this supposed 30% drop MUST have been pirated software. That's one heck of an assumption to make in the first place without any data to back it up.

As I mentioned earlier, I have my doubts as to the accuracy of that figure anyway, but it seems to me that a hell of a lot of assumptions are being made about one number that hasn't even been confirmed in any way.

 

 

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

a new law and then a 30% drop I wonder why?

if a monkey starts flinging its s**t around your going to duck regardless of wether you were the one who took its banana or not.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Well personally, I have pirated many things.  Is it technicaly right? no. BUT, I have also been able to test out fully functional games, and software that I have spent 1000's of dollars on because I liked them so much.  Theres only so much a restricted demo, or user reviews can do for me.  I humbly beleive that MOST people pirating end up buying the game or software/music eventually if they like it enough.  This is directed toward blue collar people trying to get ahead.  All I see in the future is a huge internet censor agenda fueled by the greedy and tyrannical RIAA and MPAA mainly.  They will lose in the long run.  This issue is like beating a dead horse.  Rather than being satisfied with long term profit sales, they want their billions NOW.  Or for that matter, changing their business model to the times of today. They are working with a steam engine.  I highly doubt any of these laws will get to the people doing the actual pirating (Making money off pirating).  Instead, we will just see more scare tactic lawsuits, and unjust courts and jurys awarding absurd amounts of money to these organizations from people who downloaded 30 songs on P2P software.

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People are always too quick to protect the few over the many, business will always come and go and change to meet the needs of the time...or if they hold to much power force things from changing.
By allowing the public to freely trade stuff threw non profit venues this counter balances the might of industries combined.

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Not really after all it is fairly simple. If you remove the legal protection we currently have to require people to pay us for the games we make we will simply stop making games as charitable donations don't really work as a buisness plan.

Also what 'might' are you talking about here? We make entertainment products, nothing essential to life, what in the name of hell makes you feel you are entitled to our work without giving something in return?

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

The majority will always consume if they change their habits the market changes with them, you can't discern what information is "better" or "best" thats up to the individual.
If you don't like the idea of shearing if you don't like the idea of individual right of freedom and expression and civil discourse of  corporate control then by all means get a new line of work.

Its like weed the benefits outweigh the damages, but theres no easy way to make money off it for government or corporate thus is criminalized in some shape or form.



PS:
And no, I am fuzzy headed enough without drugs. :P

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

The problem here is that you view it as "information," simply because it doesn't have a physical imprint, whereas it's really a "product," in which someone INVESTED money in order to make money.  If we were talking about a bicycle, you'd probably say swiping it from the store was stealing.  But you change your tune when talking about sorfware.  Bioware just spent several years and millions of dollars making a game called Dragon Age.  They did so not out of the idealistic hope of spreading their art to all to see.  They did so to make back their investment in time and money, and make a profit.  People stealing the game cuts into that profit.  Are they entitled to cheat Bioware?  Do they have no respect for the hard work that musicians and developers put into their products?

Making comments about the people deciding what's "better and best" is a bunch of self-serving drivel.  There's no leeyay here.  Music and video games are luxury items, as opposed to essential goods.  You don't need any of it to live another day.  You will survive just fine without them.  There's no middle ground.  There is no moral reasoning to take something that you don't need to survive, but only want for entertainment.

Off topic, but again you're full of crap if you think that marijuanna is kept illegal because of money.  It costs more money to fight against its distribution, than the government could make regulating and taxing it if they were to make it legal.  We're talking probably billions of dollars on both sides of this.  They could save billions just on police actions, court costs, and jail, just in this country for weed alone (no other drugs).  Then they could make billions by letting big business mass produce and distribute it, and then tax it the same way they tax cigarettes and beer.  Weed is only illegal because of politics, and people's general fear of what they "think" they know.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Arell

And you miss the point of power(information/inspiration) distribution which is far more important than making sure every fat cat in business gets his pound of flesh.
If you do not insure the public can lend media and back it up at their own prerogative, which mind you takes more time and energy than just buying it meaning the majority will buy what is being sold, you will make lending and personal archiving in any fashion a crime.

You seem to think "sharing" hurts the industry but since the 8 track days there has been shearing at concerts(greatfull dead and others welcomed it) and get to gathers, this is just that magnified so the world can join in on the hippie fest. Business needs to welcome it and change with the times not stifle it and try and not change to ensure the fat cats can maximize their conglomerated power.


 

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

I like your view on the weed topic.  I feel the same way.  The so called war on drugs is a losing battle imo.

By all means I think the companies and people who produce something are entitled to their fair share of money.  FAIR being the word here.  When I see these courts awarding insane amounts of money to these corporations for someone who only downloaded a very little amount of things from P2P or other means, I get so angry.  There has to be some kind of fairness involved here.  If I was brought to court for downloading 30 songs and a game, then I should only be entitled to pay what the media was worth, plus court costs and a small fine.  If I mass produced pirated video games and sold full length CD's with artwork for my own profit, then yeah, were talking millions and prison time here.  All Im saying is leave the little guys alone, and go after the big boys.  Seeing all these scare tactics just makes my anger grow, thus I am less inclined to buy things legit before I have heard/played anything.  How many times have you bought that CD and only liked 1 song?  Sorry, a 30 second "cut" doesnt cut it for me.  Sorry, a restricted demo doesnt cut it for me.  SORRY, super spyware with 3 activations of legit copies of games does cut it for me either.  They have a lot of restucturing to do before I become 100% legit. Until they do, I wont.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

ded2me
If something can not have a playable revenue stream for gov to rape threw business threw regulation its criminalized.

Pot is easier then they think a real tax stamp of 30% of whats made that would be very profitable  for gov and they can give 10% to the poor pitiful pharmaceuticals who'll lose a ton of money on sleep/anxiety/anemia(not eating)/ pain,ect meds that is if big pharma will let them do it.

As far as the individuals right to information/inspiration via media,news,ect,ect you let the people do anything that dose not make a profit this means more fan sites that cover wider forms of information, deeper reviews and critisim, would also allow recording to be left up to the ingenuity of the recorder and not the whims of the broadcaster and a whole slew of other things besides "free stuff". The benefits of being able to learn software and get books for educational or inspirational prepossess just makes it worth the small intrusive damage to the bottom line.

 

Mind you I am all for a tax on net,computer hardware and media devices of 10% its on tapes its on DVDs if we can retain our rights and gov and business share in tax rev thats the best outcome I can hope for. Further more if a site, person or group makes one cent off sharing for any purpose without a license they are in violation of the law as it was meant to be and are no better than the bootlegger on the conner selling DVDs. You can also equate illicit profit with drug crime and if one makes more than 10K in illicit profit all their property is sized.

There are ways to reasonably balance out the needs of the public and special interest, without giving either side the house,the keys the maids and the cars....

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Ya know a tax like you pointed out sounds great when thought out and executed the right way.  If done however, I can almost assure you that it will not.  Honestly I am threw paying taxes for everything.  Most people are taxed to the brink already.  I think their game of kepping people in constant fear seems to be working for them so far.  Fear your govt, fear your neighbor, report any suspicious activity, fear, fear, fear, fear everything! muhahah.  Thats the mentality we need to break through.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Yeah, how dare businesses within the music and video game industry expect customers to actually pay for products that were produced specifically to make money?  I mean, music and video games are "life necessities," and poor people can't be held accountable for stealing something that's required for survival, right?  It's exactly like a starving man stealing food, he can't live without it, and you do what you have to do to live.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Assuming that (a) The information about the drop is correct, and (b) that this was definately tied to piracy, both of which have been assumed, but not proven in any way.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

I agree that it's a crime, but I don't agree with the punishments.  It's like fining someone a few hundred dollars for not covering their mouth when they cough.

Yes, I know that analogy doesn't make sense.  It's not supposed to make sense.  Copyright punishments do not make sense. </Chewbacca defense>

 

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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

"Data from Internet service provider Netnod show usage is still free-falling, four months after the law was passed."

I find this hard to believe, because I read over a month back that the traffic is recovering and is on the same level as it was in September last year.

www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/it_telekom/allmant/article594057.ece

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

It wouldnt surprise me if an underweb came about as a result of this kind of thing

Humans are part of nature, and nature always finds a way.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

There already is, they are called Dark Nets.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Congratulations to the Swedish, you have taken another step towards having as much privacy as us British ;)

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Meh, I get the feeling that once this news reaches certain people, the anti-piracy and anti-net neutrality people might team up.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Question is: Have sales of pirated items risen by 30%? Since IP holder seem to think the relationship is as simple as that and all...

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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Noone thinks the relationship is as simple as that. Also, expecting sales to rise by 30% because internet traffic drops by 30% isn't simply ignoring that not every download is a lost sale, it's also ignoring math.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Most likely affect on sales of media? 0%

Pirates are either people who try before they buy, or else people who would never buy. I sincerely think you will see no signifacant change in sales of affected media in Sweden.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

The right of people to share information and data should be fundamental period.

Sure you can restrict “real” illicit things like child porn or weapons making but otherwise it should be a fundamental right to share and trade information now making money off that information is a whole other ball game.

IMO it’s simple you focus file sheering to where the individual has to bare 100% of the cost to share the file that right there will ensure both public and private interests are protected.

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

An exchange of ideas and knowledge is not equal to making copyrighted material readily available for the internet masses to download. I am not some kind of fool that thinks just because someone downloads a game or music doesn't mean they will or won't buy said material, however I do also recognize that there is a large percentage of people that won't buy the material BECAUSE it is free through sharing sites.

Have I used the services to get a cd of music or watch a movie or two? Yup. I recognize it isn't a right though.

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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

There is simply to much knowledge and inspiration in "media" and "information" to close it off to "nobility" or anyone who can merely pay for it. You have to separate individual(personal private) and conglomerated(IP/CO/P owners) interests. And that privies on the fulcrum of profit and not distribution. By allowing the public to maintain their right of "free trade"(lending in any form), personal archive(backups,ect) and protection bypass(to run said backups) you keep business lean and mean by not allowing this "civil discourse" you place to much power in to few hands.



You are simply not looking at the bigger picture.



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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

"You are simply not looking at the bigger picture."

And you are somebody who's never created something and had it pirated by people around the world, obviously.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

I suppose you must also believe that if you make something that it "must" make money? The market dose not work like that it dose not matter if one makes something to make money off it that will always be at the whims of society in general and the market itself, but information,knowledge and inspiration should be available to anyone with the drive to seek it out regardless of having money or not.

You have to understand how important it is to allow the individual such personal rights when dealing with this, we do not need corporate to control information with such absolute power. Technology can  level the playing field as we move into a streamed media from a physical one in the next 20+ years add to it metered data rate based plans that place the cost of shearing on the sharer  you reasonably stifle the peoples ability to share without making it a crime.

You simply do not need to make sharing equitable with strong armed robbery, murder, rape and worse. If we were not a lobby controlled government I'd suggest misdemeanor charges of 250$ 500$ MAX. But we wont ever get there, more likely shearing will be ground out of the public mindset and we will have to rely on the powers that be and their organizations to spoon feed us information, because everything will be "owned" and nothing will be discriminated to the masses without a cost of an arm a leg or the truth.....

/black sheep with tinfoil hat

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Reel that shit in. We are talking about people taking a product that was made with the intention of generating money. If someone didn't want to make money off of their works there are plenty of channels for them to get their product out there. This is about people working on a project with the intention of said product generating a profit, however, people are taking their product and not contributing to the source of its creation.

This is not some somebody trying to simply put a game in your hand for you to enjoy, a song for you to listen to, or anything of that nature. These people want to make money with their talent. It is no different in scope to someone wanting to make money for being a good surgeon wanting to get paid for perfoming his duties with his skill.

You seem to be confused as to what the problem is.

 

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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Yes I agree, totally...

What I don't get is why they haven't introduced capital punishment
for this haneous crime. Anyone copying a song should be shot on
the spot! Oh, wait... Paying $80´000 per MP3, thats sort of the
de facto equivalent, isn't it? Be accused of DLing a few songs and
your economy is forfeit for all future. Now that's REAL justice.
 

I totally agree that saving Brittney Spears is worth kicking informant-
anonymity for anyone giving information to the press or police. She
really needs every cent, poor little honey that she is... I totally agree
with you... Oh wait... No I don't.

 

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Flamespeak

The problem goes beyond putting money into the hands of the peons that work on media projects..... you seem to forget the power conglomerated media has over the public and if you give them absolute power over information distribution you are effectively removing the publics right to anything but paying to rent in lue of  "normal" consumption.


Unless you are getting royalties from a project you are just working 9 to 5 and thats the vast majority in the industry. You also seem to forget it takes effort to find and run copies and in this age of more money than brains that slows supposed damage you limit sharing to anything non profit(no donations or ads,ect no money gained from the venture at all period) that slows supposed damage you treat illict profit made from non license sales like drug sales that slows supposed damage, can you not think out of the box and balance the needs of the public to free and open information and the needs of industry?

The industry is quickly moving to copy right everything they can indefinitely, this is bad for consumers and governments and stagnates the industry and innovation, you allow the public the freely share stuff then it allows industry to focus on what they can reasonably sale instead of stagnate in crappy generic media thats a facsimile of whatever trend or fad is in fashion.

 


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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Don't worry Sweden there will still be people pirating crap from the internet.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Anyone want to make a bet that traffic will more than double once the inevitable VPN or Tor traffic starts flowing?

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Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

No bet!

Soon pirates are gong to find ways around this, not to mention little of that 30% even consisted of pirates and file-sharers. They're not the one's who are scared. It's the innocent surfers, scared of Big Brother, worried about getting fingered for no reason.

"In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: face crime." - George Orwell, 1984

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Soon pirates are gong to find ways around this, not to mention little of that 30% even consisted of pirates and file-sharers. They're not the one's who are scared. It's the innocent surfers, scared of Big Brother, worried about getting fingered for no reason.

Yeah right.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

A nice, solid, well-argued comment. I applaud thee, good sir.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

The quoted paragraph is far enough removed from reality and sanity to not warrant any more effort.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Can you be certain of that, though, do you have irrevocable proof that this is not the case?

Personally, I'd rather wait a few more months and find just by what standards this Internet access was measured, since Governments can do amazing things with statistics, and what the longer term impact is.

If the law really is effective, then great, but personally, I have my doubts as to the accuracy of those figures.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Can you be certain of that, though, do you have irrevocable proof that this is not the case?

Yes, I can. Also, the attitude that whoever calls out nonsensical unsubstantiated claims has to supply incontrovertible proof is preposterous. At least I have common sense on my side.

Re: New Swedish Anti-Piracy Law Causes Web Traffic Drop

Ah... Common Sense.

Of Course.

My experience with Common Sense is that, whilst it can usually be used as a pretty good reckoning tool, it makes a poor scientific measure of fact. That's why we ask for statistics to back things up, after all, Common Sense suggested the Sun goes round the Earth, at least until some new Common Sense came along, backed by empirical data.

Since there IS no analysis of the Web Traffic other than its volume, I really can't say for certain whether that drop was Piracy or people scared of the new law, you might be right, but then, you might be wrong, without the data to confirm, it's a guess, based, possibly, on common sense, but still a guess, and as I said earlier, common sense isn't fact, that way lay judgement based on assumption, which is the risky practice from a scientific point of view.

You can, for example say, "If we assume that the Boiling point of water at this altitude is 100'C then adding X amount of NaCl will raise that boiling point by Y degrees celsius". That's an acceptable assumption, because it can be adapted to the experiment, but, "If we assume 30% of the traffic is illegal wares then 30% of the traffic is illegal wares" is pushing the metaphor just a little bit.

 
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