UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

August 13, 2009

The digital era has permanently altered the way media is controlled and distributed, resulting in a relationship between rights holders and the public that is often contentious. Against that backdrop, so-called Pirate Parties have sprung up recently on the European political scene.

Andrew Robinson, who heads the UK Pirate Party, spoke to PC Pro about his organization, its vision, and why the party's name is a problem:

There's approximately 7 million file sharers in this country - you're branding a huge percentage of this population criminals for doing something that doesn't have any proven implications. It's a ridiculous state of affairs... People who copy a movie are lumped in with people who steal cars.

 

Our copyright law is horribly outdated and its skewed one way because all the lobbying is on the side of big businesses...

Competing with the Conservatives while wearing an eye patch isn't going to do us any favours. We've had the [Pirate Party] name foisted on us by the Swedish party, but it's difficult. We need to point out that we're saying very sensible things, while the industry lobby is labelling us as pirates... We're trying to have a proper debate and when people actually listen to what we've got to say they'll realise we're being serious...

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Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

People are not getting my point and thinking that I am a evil pirate bastard that steal money from everyone...

First, piracy is not stealing.

Second, yes, I have lots of pirated stuff, no, I don't pirate stuff regularly anymore.

Third, yes, currently piracy is a crime, and yes, removing copyright of everything WILL make GamingObserver (and me), jobless... I disagree thus with pirate party in that (I think that a copyright reform is needed, not copyright removal).

Fouth, piracy cannot be erradicated without your own product suffering, thus I believe that if we ignore piracy to some extent, we gain more than actively hunting pirates with the GamingObserver attitude, that only make your costumers hate you instead.

Fifth, I do believe that poor, and all the other 4 billion humans on earth that are currently ignored by the game industry, have the right to play eletronic games, and I believe that making cheapter games is the way to do... If Square can cram several DVDs of content in a 50 USD game, why a company cannot put their games that are one third of the size into a 20 USD game? (I am talking about size of the work here)

Sixth, I think that the idustry currently expends too much money, it is a inefficient industry, and this problem should not get to the costumer end by price raising. Some companies made awesome games without spending 30 millions.

 

 

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--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

First, piracy is stealing.  You are taking something without paying for it.  That's theft.

Second, your statement that piracy isn't stealing is an extremely thin-veiled attempt to make yourself feel as though you weren't a criminal.  You were.

Third, piracy is a crime, and always will be, because it's theft.  See above.

Fourth, you're right that piracy can't be erradicated completely, but your comment that we should turn the other cheek is akin to saying that we should let murderers and rapists do what they want because they'd get bored without the risk of being put in prison.

Fifth, the poor of the world that you seem to think piracy is serving DON'T HAVE TELEVISIONS, COMPUTERS, XBOX'S, PS3'S OR WII'S.  If they did, they have enough money to buy the games.

Sixth, this point is absolutely right, but piracy only hurts the industry because of the fact that the companies aren't getting the money they are due, you know, since nobody pays for pirated games.

 

I guess I'm trying to say that you should stop trying to rationalize your criminal activity with your lame, baseless and patently false points.

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Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I am not trying to say that I am not a criminal or something like that, also I am not defending myself, I said on my post that piracy IS a crime (I did not say that it was not...).

But piracy is not stealing, you are not taking something without paying, you are copying. Remember that piracy does not encompass only data piracy, you can buy pirated cigarretes for example, or pirated drink, it was manufacture, it is a new product, using maybe even the same mean of production, piracy is not stealing because you are not subtracting something from someone, you are creating another thing without permission, it is still a crime, but it is not theft (mind you, I am not saying that it is better, or worse than theft, neither I am saying that because it is theft it is less bad, I am only saying that piracy is piracy, and theft is theft, the two are not the same, and should not be treated the same, and they don't arise from the same social problems, neither cause the same result in society).

 

I don't said that we need to turn the other cheek, I said that we don't need to go slashing people ears... If you for example arrest every single person that ever commited piracy, the result would be that only 10% of the costumers of the products would remain. Also some products are particularly popular because piracy (Altough this is not what I am discussing here).

Fifth: You cannot say that the poor don't own something, or something else... Yes, indeed seeing a PS3 or a computer that can run Crysis is a rarity, but like I pointed in another post here, these are not anyway the source of most piracy (damn, the PS3 can not be pirated yet, at least no widely known way exist...), you forgot that downlaod piracy (what people mostly complain) depends on Broadband, that is even less popular than PS2, I don't doubt that some games have 90% of its copies pirated, Wining Eleven series for example, for each original copy that I see (for console, not PC mind you), I see about 100 pirated, and the industry even does not know about it.

People that work at Crytek, or Actvision come crying that their games are pirated and that they will receive less salary... BUt hell, these are not even the most pirated games, they may be the most bought legally, but they are certainly not the most pirated, the most pirated games are older games, that run in any poor person machine, or new games that run in any machine and are unreachable (like no legal way to buy it, or bizarre price for the standards of the local population).

Also, in a brazillian favela you can find a television in each house, and several has PS2 or other console, remember that altough a console IS expensive somehow to them, it is cheaper than other forms of entertainment and even cheaper than other stuff like a car, or a motorcycle, or even a bycicle... It may take them a loooong time to buy it, but they eventually do.

 

Sixth: It is not clear right now if piracy hurts, helps or is indiffrent to the industry. Logically you would say that it hurts because people are not getting paid, but people msut remember that also it increases popularity, and that a major amount of people that pirate stuff,would plainly not buy legal if they could not pirate (thus the money would be not earned anyway). Also there are other smaller nuances that are too complex to be discussed here right now.

 

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EDIT: I am not a US resident, but most people here are (as the joystick logo clearly shows...), here is then a relevant article on why piracy is not theft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)

--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

If you honestly don't believe that piracy is stealing, please walk in to work on Monday and sit down with your boss, and plainly explain to him that you pirate video games and other media, and in fact, install some sort of file sharing software and do it while you're at work.

I'm certain they'll understand.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Oh yeah, your conduct on here certainly shows how professional you can be. Why is it you assume just because he disagree's with something that's illegal he'd be willing to voilate possible company policies? I really don't expect to get a serious answer, all your other comments have shown just how quickly you turn to insults to stroke your fragile ego.

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Can't you find anything more entertaining to say? Oh wait, that's right.

 

You deserve to choke on a penis.You deserve to choke on a penis.You deserve to choke on a penis.You deserve to choke on a penis.You deserve to choke on a penis.

How would you even fucking know you little cretin?How would you even fucking know you little cretin?How would you even fucking know you little cretin?How would you even fucking know you little cretin?

The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.The endgame to this argument is that you are a fucking idiot.

**Edited to remove some of my flaming.  Sorry, but this is not abstract for me.  I feel as though I deserve to be angry, but don't want to be a dick if I can avoid it.

 

Oops, if you were the best anti-piracy had in their defense this would be a non-issue by now. Be thankful people far more competent than you and me are dealing with this.

 

Do you mind if I make an assumption? Of course you don't, you've indulged yourself plenty. This must be very theraputic for you. Multiple times you've said 'I'm done, conversation over.' but you just keep coming back. I hope this is atleast relieving some of your stress at knowing you're surrounded by thieves everywhere. Probably take a hit just to mellow out every now and then right? That's cool, I'm happy everything isn't black and white for you. Just remember, the internet isn't serious buisness and breaking some laws while trying to enforce others doesn't make you that big a hypocrite. 

 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

What do you have the right to be angry over?  You are the one breaking the law, and then making lame-assed excuses for it that have all been effortlessly destroyed by logic.  That logic, by the way, being the reasons that it's illegal in the first place - the person or persons with the only rights to the material are not being compensated for your use of said material.  You have no rights to any IP you did not create, unless you purchased those rights from the person with said rights.  It is not, and never has been, anyones right to distribute material they didn't pay for, whether for profit or not, because you don't own the material in the first place.

Now, if you believe you have a right to be angry because you're legally and morally wrong in all of the arguments you have put out here supporting criminal activity, so be it, but you're wrong about that too.  You don't have the right to be angry about being wrong.  You have the right to change your attitude, or you have the right to remain silent.  At least, here in America, that's the way it works.  In Bizzaroworld, where laws have no meaning, which is where I assume you're from, that may be different, but our Internet doesn't reach Bizzaroworld.

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Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Do I sound angry? Really? Because I'm laughing, the fact you both believe you can somehow shame me into your idiotic, one way mindset. This is the most fun I've had on here in a while. This is me sharing my opinion, if you tire of it you have every right to remain silent. But you don't and your comments are funnier than the comics in the morning paper. Are you this over-zealous when it comings to pot? Driving under the influence? Does the thought that a crime is undoubtable being committed as you read this boil your blood? No? Then thats great! It must mean you're balanced human being who doesn't let the neferious actions of others over-load your indignate sense of right and wrong.

 

Maybe it's just the fact you can find an anonymous target for your e-rage while remaining anonymous yourself. Or does the possibility of a real world encounter fill you with glee?

 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Are you this much of an idiot in real life?  Do you go up to random people on the street and tell them that crimes shouldn't really be illegal just because YOU do them?  Murder and rape should stay illegal, but theft should be okay because you do it.  Yeah, you're really going to make a real case for your "argument" with that kind of logic.

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--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Are you qualified to measure ones IQ, or does that come lumped in with your Internetz degree? I'm assuming your reading ability is on par with my friend Gaming Observer, I've never said the act of pirating should legal just because I've done it. Hell I've never said it should be legal period. My actions are my own and the fact you believe you can sham me into your mindset is amusing at best and head-banging at worst. But it's okay, if you insulting a lone name on here makes you feel better at the end of the day I'm all for it. I would never dream of dictating someone elses life for them. You gotta blow off some steam, what better way than breathing a little heavy knowing your next comment might trigger an explosion of over-stated rage.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

There's no rationalizing with a thief.  The middle ground you're looking for doesn't exist because stealing is never right.  But I wouldn't expect you to understand.


Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

You're definitely making progress, you almost sounded civil. I see your reading retention is improving as well. P2P networks helps move data around, here's hoping we see digital downloads for games and everything else become common place. If only so we can watch the industries flounder as they try to justify ever increasing price tags.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Wait a minute - this whole time you've been FOR legal downloads and legal filesharing?

Why the fark would you argue on the same side as the freetards?

 

Exactly what is your position, Mr. Eel?

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Assumptions make me laugh. I say one thing everyone assumes another. It's funny. I'd rather deal with 100 people who acknowledge their shortscomings then deal with one more idiot with a holier-than-thou-complex. I have downloaded music, and games, in the past but that doesn't mean I'm as single minded as some of the posters in this article. One can argue on the side of the law but that doesn't change the fact being a zealot makes you near as worse as the criminals themselves.

I really do hope for legal downloads and the like to become to standard operating proceedure, 100% behind it when it does. But that would mean the industries would have to get up off their asses and accept the change. I can hope all I want, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Of course he wouldn't - he hasn't the balls for it, nor the courage of his convictions.

One day, anonymity will be a priviledge on the internet. Look out for that day, freetards.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

More lovely parting words, let us hope one day spell check is embraced for the invaluable tool it is.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Laughable. Unable to respond with logic, you take an issue with a spelling mistake.

Only a useful tactic on the interweb; in a debate, you'd be toast, mate.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

How exactly does one win a debate by spouting one fact over and over again while also including copious amounts of profanity in ones arguement. This isn't a debate, there's no logic involved in this. No presentation of two sides. All I've seen is selective reading and blinding rage. If this was a debate half of the posters would of been thrown out of the fucking building.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Better to spell words incorrectly but say something right, than to spew ignorance with perfect english.  Thankfully, though - THIEF is an easy one.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

It's funny, you keep saying the same things over and over again. Are you trying to prove something?

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I gess their reelly r such things as wilfull ignorance, stupidity, and determined criminals.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Thief.  End of story.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Shall we just note for the record that you failed to respond - in any way - to my actual post, as much as you're just complaining about how much you don't like being told (in any type of tone) that you're a wretched thief.

Not surprising, since you're morally vacant.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

You can read right, you know, at the beginning before I pointed out your own hypocrisy. I know it must have hurt having a wretched thief point those things out to you. You have the right to remain silent(oh thats funny) but perhaps your over driving need to have the last word won't let you. What have you worked on by the way, you know so I can know if I have in fact stolen from you.

 

Ooh, nice parting shot. I'll feel that one in the morning.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

At no point in your post did you actually point anything out.  You just copied-n-pasted a bunch of other posts into one wall-of-text that made no argument to anything anyone said anywhere in this board.

You're parting shot was also really stupid, too.  You freely admit to theft (whether you want to call it that or not), but think he should only be angry with you for your theft if you stole from him.  Sorry, doesn't work.  You're a theif, so you're unliked.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

You understand the parting shot is usually the last bit at the end of the message. As in the last line of text that shared his opinion of moral fiber. Maybe reiteration will help you under this better.

Translated as

 

"I'd like to take this moment to divert attention away from my own irrational hilarious outbursts to point out that while you can post whatever reponse you like I have no problem ignoring it if it means there's even the slimmest of chances that my words will actually accomplish any thing.

 

I find you to be a truly destestable human being. "

 

You see? That last part, parting shot.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

The case you linked to said it wasn't theft AS RELATED TO TRANSPORT OF STOLEN PROPERTY.  That doesn't explicitly say piracy isn't theft.

Also, where the fuck did you get that 90% of the population of this planet are pirates?  If that were the case, this wouldn't be an issue you fucktard.

When you sell something, saying it is something legitimate, and take the money from that sale, not giving it to the person you pirated from, you are stealing that persons money, i.e. THEFT.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I don't reason with people that instead of reasoning call others fucktard (or any other insult mind you).

Also remember that the countries with the biggest amount of piracy are china and india, that togheder have 2/3 of the entire world population.

Also remember that according to the current law, even borrowing something to other person is piracy (this is one of the things that the Piraty Party wants to change btw.), among other things.

 

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--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Apparently, you don't know math very well.  The combined population of China and India is about 2.5 billion, according to Google.  The population of the Earth is about 6.7 billion according to the US Census Bureau.  So, in order for 90% of the population to be pirates, like you said in your initial post, 6.03 billion peope would have to commit piracy.  Considering the fact that piracy is actually an issue, this isn't the case, because laws would have been passed worldwide making it legal.  To the post I'm referring to here, continue to do the math.  China and India only have one-third of the world's population, not two-thirds as you state.

Finally, if the only part of my post you can respond to is me calling you a fucktard, you must really be one, because either you only read and understood that, or you read and understood the rest, but couldn't form a coherent argument for your position to counter.

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Freedom of speech means the freedom to say ANYTHING, so long as it is the truth. This does not exclude anything that might hurt someone's feelings.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Quoting myself: "only 10% of the costumers of the products would remain."

 

Now quoting you: "in order for 90% of the population to be pirates"

Yes, 90 + 10 is 100, but I think that this is only true if 100% of the population are costumers of your products, something that I doubt.

 

criadordejogos.wordpress.com

--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

You're not reasoning with anyone in the first place.  There is no "reasoning" the theft of other people's work.

You can hide behind semantics all you want but the bottom line is plain and obvious to anybody with the slightest bit of intelligence.  You are REQUIRED BY LAW to pay for your entertainment.  Piracy is theft.  Piracy is stealing.  People who pirate and try to defend themselves deserve to have all of their posessions removed from them and be forced to work for free, just to see how they like it.

Perhaps the reason that you're being called a fucktard is because YOU ARE ONE.  Now please, kindly pay the people that you've stolen from.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

"this is Gaming Observer, and all he has ever wanted is a gold-plated shark tank. But now,because of pirates taking away sales he would have had,he is going to wait a few months." seriously ? i am supposed to feel bad for you? ppl have much bigger problems than yours. As an artist, you should be happy so many ppl are even playing your game , not crying over sales you wouldn't have gotten anyways. I dont pirate games, but this " gimme gimme gimme mine mine mine " attitude from ppl like him makes me consider it.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

You deserve to choke on a penis.  That's all I can really say.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

what? i deserve to choke because you are greedy? i fail to see the correlation

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Actually, greedy would define you and the others here that openly steal and distribute media and never compensate those that have created it.

I prefer to think of myself as "rational", which would make sense if you didn't for some reason think I should be working for free.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

While his caustic reply wasn't exactly adding anything to the discussion I'm not sure how wanting to be compensated for one's work makes one greedy.

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*nods head*

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I am SticKboy, and I'm here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

'No!' says Speeder, 'It belongs to the poor.'

'No!' says Stealthguy, 'It belongs to Me.'

'No!' says ZippyDSMlee, 'It belongs to everyone.'

I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...

RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOUR, DIPSHITS.

-- teh moominz --

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I replied below, in a new post.

 

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Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

My point is simple let the individual lend and copy but make it impossible to make a profit off it which 90% of the net currently dose, if you do that it becomes that much easier to enforce and you will truly effect it positively.

 


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/



I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/what-is-cigital-disobedience/

 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

"It all balances out".

Kindly explain to the nice people how not paying for a studio's work until they go bust 'balances out'.

Oh, and hold the soapboxing crap. I think we've all had our fill of that.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

This is more about protecting the publics individual right of broad fair use if you can not lend you can not copy you can not do anything but be beholdant to the system as it is, now if the system responded with a couple back up discs in a case and offered other services the issues would be moot but with everyone looking out for their own bottom line you have to find a better balance than "ZOMG you can't" or "ZOMG I CAN!!11".

 

As I have said before you focus on illicit profit in any form which would cull more than half of the net once the world starts to police it more and the other half would bounce around so erratically it would marginalize them even more making small self run sites that can not handle alot of bandwidth the status quo in file shearing. My point is you marginalize the "bad behavior" not criminalize it and make more alluring and make it that much more integrated in the worlds black market.

 

The soapboxing comes from people thinking this is a "yes" or "no" answer when in all actuality its a "but with restrictions" one.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/



I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/what-is-cigital-disobedience/

 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Lending a cd to a buddy or two is completely different than putting that same cd up on a torrent for millions of people to take.  Just because you're not making any profit from it you don't have the right to give away my work.  If you paid for one of my cd's then you absolutely have the right to make a backup of it, digitize it, etc.  You do not have the right to give it away to anyone on the net.  A shit ton of time and money went into writing and recording all that under the basic economic principle of creating a product, then sell said product.  If it doesn't sell because people don't like it, then that's that.  That's how the market works.  If it doesn't sell because people are freely distributing it and consuming it without giving their fair share to us then we just lost a lot of money for no reason. 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

But that is happening right now in mass and its effects are negligibleat best, if you focus on illicit profit you decrease shearing thus marginalizing it that much more.

 

Lending is equable with copying that’s equable to copy circumvention that’s equable to sharing, you kinda have to bundle them all together otherwise you remove one you remove another and you wind up in a very real situation where you can copy but not cannot bypass copy protection and the industry is blocking licensed CCS/CSS approved end user hardware that can copy a disc or make a video file out of it. We are pretty much in a situation where you need a industry approved stamp to own pot.

 

What I am trying to get at mitigate it, marginalize it so that it has a reasonable necessary  societal release that’s well regulated.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/



I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/what-is-cigital-disobedience/

 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

"But that is happening right now in mass and its effects are negligibleat best"

How would you even fucking know you little cretin?

You honestly think that millions upon millions of people illegally obtaining copyrighted materials has no affect?  I'm sorry, but have you had your head entirely up your ass for the past 10+ years as the entire music industry on a global basis has gone to shit?  Are you missing the decline in studio volume within the video game industry, and honestly suggesting that piracy has NOTHING to do with that?  You want to venture a guess at why PC games sell 25% (if that) of what they used to?  Would you like to take a shot at rationalizing why PC-centric genres hardly exist anymore, like the RTS, Adventure Game, Simulation, etc. - save for the juggernaut franchises?

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and you never have.  I have absolutely no respect for you.  You're not just a thief, but a liar and a pretender as well.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

The effects are negligable if you're Warner Brothers or something like that.  If you're independant and self financed like we are then the effects hurt.  We're still in the hole from paying for the recording and have no way to recoup that if people won't pay for what they consume.  The big boys will always get their money no matter what, it's the small independant artist, developer, etc. that gets fucked.  Even if you are on a major label it still comes out of the artists pocket when their stuff is freely distributed.  The label just fronts all the money for recording, pressing, marketing, etc.  The artist owes back every single cent of that no matter what and album sales are a huge factor in that. 

Marginalizing the illicit profit part of it will come eventually but in the meantime am I supposed to just say it's ok for you to give away my work, and go into horrible debt?  Both the creators and the consumers have rights and unfortunately as the big companies have pushed for their rights to extend too far the consumers have thusly pushed their rights too far.  Just as we don't have the right to tell you that you can't do anything with that cd but listen to it alone in your room with the lights out, the windows closed and with the walls soundproofed so no one else can hear it, you don't have the right to consume and distribute our work without compensation.  I agree that a middle ground needs to be found but just as we are trying to change the bussiness model the consumer has to do their part too.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Sorry, but wouldn't it be that way whether Pirating is an issue or not? I mean, isn't it a fact of life that the bigger entity usually has less to worry about in regards to the small ones and inversely so? Pirating being a contributing factor to ones success or downfall doesn't make it the be all end all of issues concerning ones survivability in this crapsack world. Or am I wrong in thinking that? Haven't some people used file sharing as a way to spread their ideas and talent and all that other crap? And before it's said, once gain, I understand pirating is currently illegal. I don't need reminding.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make exactly.  Because it's not the only part of one's success or failure then it should just be ignored?  I never claimed that piracy was the definitive cause of mine or anyone's survivability.  All I said is that for the smaller/independant artist it hurts a lot more than most people are willing to admit.  People have used file sharing to push their work forward.  Those people are lucky in the fact that they can afford the time and money to distribute their work freely.  Not everyone is in that position. 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

No, not ignored. Not so long as other factors: bad marketing, meddling producers and the other detremental agents are given equal blame. Pirating isn't fair, precious little is, that's why those who get caught get punished. If you can't be satisfied with what small victories are achieved against piracy then what can you do about it? There should be a meeting in the middle between consumers and producers, ultimately it's going to about who wants to achieve it more.

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Ok then you agree with me. 

Re: UK Pirate Party Head States His Case, Frets About Name

Yeah, pretty much. I just like the 'middle ground' attitude more than I do the whole "Black and white but no fucking gray allowed". If the various industries are hurting then they should see what they're doing wrong, if anything before they jack up the prices and include various means of controling how their consumers use their products. That's one awfully lopsided middle ground. That doesn't show a whole lot of trust, and if you can't trust your industries life blood should you really be making things for them anyway?

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