Are Gay Themes Expanding in Video Games?

August 27, 2009 -

Are gay characters and themes more acceptable in video games these days?

Gay publication The Advocate examines the issue in Are Games Getting Gayer? For the article, author Bryan Ochalla spoke to, among others, game designer Brenda Brathwaite, author of Sex in Video Games. Braithwaite said:

We still haven’t seen the kind of normalization [of LGBT characters and story lines] that we’ve seen in movies and on TV for some time. We still haven’t had our Brokeback Mountain moment.


It took them a while, but developers... [are] getting hip to the fact that there are LGBT gamers out there who want to control LGBT characters... The almighty dollar talks as much in this industry as it does in any other, and we all know the gay market is nothing to sneeze at in that regard...

 

We also have to stop putting things into games that turn off gay players How many games have you played that put you in control of a male character and then asked you to save a princess?

Openly gay Maxis game designer Jeb Havens (no word as to whether he was impacted by yesterday's layoff) commented:

[Game developers are] moving away from the stereotype of the angry, homophobic teen boy ... toward a broader picture of who is buying and playing games... We’re starting to see a willingness to experiment with stories and characters that would appeal to more diverse audiences.


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>322 comments

>arguing about gay people

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I mean COME ON, guys. This is something I'd expect from /v/.

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Oops, my bad. I thought my posts hadn't gone through since I couln't see them, even after refreshing.

I'd really be grateful if someone could delete all of my posts but the first one, please.

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>322 comments

>arguing about gay people

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I mean COME ON, guys. This is something I'd expect from /v/.

PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. That's all there is to it.

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This is to Snipzor, from up top:

It's not accepted by the scientific community because of the fact it hasn't been presented to the public as a viable theory.  If it had been, gay's around the world would have been on any television station they could talking about it.  You're the one saying it is, so I respond with your own argument: prove it.

Also, ctrl+f doesn't mean jack.  I responded to what someone said that was, quite literally, what I quoted.  You're the one who apparently can't read.

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Over 300 posts on this.  For what?  Gods below have people become so insecure that they have to attack anything or anyone that does not agree with them?   Drag in marriage (religious based btw and the big 3 religions all say homosexuality is bad so go do the math) if you insist, muddy the waters, dance and distract anything but deal with is layed out. 

Makes me want to tell the children they are being to fussy and need to take a nap.

Tell you what, go ahead and make the gay themed games for those that have interest.  Just be prepared to lose your shirt.  It was mentioned that game developers listen to the allmighty dollar, this is truth.  Regardless of what the more rapid gays and the supporters thereof would suggest the majority of society is still straight.  Not likely that straight people are going to a buy a game that forces them into the role of being gay.  Sorry. 

Understand that at this time I honestly dont give a flying damn about any claimed "rights".  No one has the right to demand that society will bow to thier whims or that the laws will be rewritten for them.   If you want a thing earn it.  Want a gay based game then make it for pay for it.  

Put up or shut up. 

Attack my politics or my religion (or more accurately the lack thereof), it does not matter.  I am not going to mold myself and my beleifs just to make another person happy while they will not return the same amount of respect. 

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And how do you define 'respect'?

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 Location of reposting of most of the comment for Jedidethfreak:

2) Suck it. Also if there is no evidence to support a belief, it isn't a theory. Scientific theory is based on facts and is strengthened through further evidence. The fact that the digit ratio theory is still a theory shows how wrong you are, and just because a few scientists go against it doesn't show anything because that's what peer review is you pillock (And if the peer review against it is less than the peer review failing to go against it, well logic dictates that it is still valid). Now show some bloody scientists who have a powerful theory that supports your bullshit (LINK AND CITATION NEEDED, as were the caps and bolding of that phrase) or you'll continue to be the man who makes shit up as he goes.

3) No, people argue that THE TREATMENT of sexuality is the same as the treatment of racial minorities. There is no denial, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try going to a few reading comprehensions classes before making assumptions in a thread.

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 1) Sure, we all know what you meant, it just contradicts what you actually said.

2) Suck it. Also if there is no evidence to support a belief, it isn't a theory. Scientific theory is based on facts and is strengthened through further evidence. The fact that the digit ratio theory is still a theory shows how wrong you are, and just because a few scientists go against it doesn't show anything because that's what peer review is you pillock (And if the peer review against it is less than the peer review failing to go against it, well logic dictates that it is still valid). Now show some bloody scientists who have a powerful theory that supports your bullshit (LINK AND CITATION NEEDED, as were the caps and bolding of that phrase) or you'll continue to be the man who makes shit up as he goes.

3) No, people argue that THE TREATMENT of sexuality is the same as the treatment of racial minorities. There is no denial, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try going to a few reading comprehensions classes before making assumptions in a thread.

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1) Sure, we all know what you meant, it just contradicts what you actually said.

2) Suck it. Also if there is no evidence to support a belief, it isn't a theory. Scientific theory is based on facts and is strengthened through further evidence. The fact that the digit ratio theory is still a theory shows how wrong you are, and just because a few scientists go against it doesn't show anything because that's what peer review is you pillock (And if the peer review against it is less than the peer review failing to go against it, well logic dictates that it is still valid). Now show some bloody scientists who have a powerful theory that supports your bullshit (LINK AND CITATION NEEDED, as were the caps and bolding of that phrase) or you'll continue to be the man who makes shit up as he goes.

3) No, people argue that THE TREATMENT of sexuality is the same as the treatment of racial minorities. There is no denial, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try going to a few reading comprehensions classes before making assumptions in a thread. 

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 To Jedidethfreak:

1) Sure, we all know what you meant, it just contradicts what you actually said.

2) Suck it. Also if there is no evidence to support a belief, it isn't a theory. Scientific theory is based on facts and is strengthened through further evidence. The fact that the digit ratio theory is still a theory shows how wrong you are, and just because a few scientists go against it doesn't show anything because that's what peer review is you pillock (And if the peer review against it is less than the peer review failing to go against it, well logic dictates that it is still valid). Now show some bloody scientists who have a powerful theory that supports your bullshit (LINK AND CITATION NEEDED, as were the caps and bolding of that phrase) or you'll continue to be the man who makes shit up as he goes.

3) No, people argue that THE TREATMENT of sexuality is the same as the treatment of racial minorities. There is no denial, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try going to a few reading comprehensions classes before making assumptions in a thread.

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As far as Gay-Bashing online goes, just seems to me that 'The First Amendment' is more important than 'Common manners' to some people to be honest.

Just because you can state any opinion you wish, doesn't always mean you have to state that opinion, a certain amount of intelligence is expected to be used, and I'd hardly say 'Call of Duty' etc, is the Forum to be expressing it in, it's not an invitation to have radical opinions purely because you can.

I don't think the people saying it are actively homophobic, I don't think they are the sort of people who go out and beat up gays, but I do think most of them are ignorant, selfish pricks who don't care about anything other than themselves, they call people gay and queer as an insult because they think that gays are somehow 'less than human', it wouldn't be used if it wasn't, but it doesn't take 5 minutes of thinking of other people, people totally unrelated to whatever tanrum they may be throwing, but that's obviously too much effort.

 

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My, won't you look at all these people arguing over gay rights and gay marriage without actually having any knowledge of the issues involved!

I must agree that there is nothing about rescuing a princess that should turn off a gay player. Brathwaite is ridiculous for implying that there is. I don't think I've ever played a game in which the protagonist was more than remotely similar to me. I would imagine the same is true of most gamers. How many of us are plumbers? Mafiosi? Archeologists? Death row inmates turned snuff film stars?

As far as I've seen, the gay characters that have been in games (The Sims, MMO's, and the like notwithstanding) have not, until recently, been portrayed as positive characters or taken seriously. If gay themes are indeed expanding in videogames, I look forward to seeing it. However, I certainly hope that the conservative suggestion of just having characters who are never actually said to be gay (à la Albus Dumbledore) is ignored. It reminds me very much of the attitude gay "leaders" had prior to the 70's, that they should silently back straight politicians who were merely tolerant of them rather than having their own leadership. All that ever got them was dragged out of their bars, beaten by the police, arrested, publicly outed in the newspapers, and subsequently fired from their jobs.

A gay character doesn't need to be "shoehorned" into the story of most games. Is it really that hard for a character to simply be gay and not have that be the thing about them? I think it shows lack of character depth if it is. That would be a larger "problem" for a game in my opinion.

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I agree with almost everything you said.
The only thing I take issue with (and you're not the only one who mentioned it) is this whole 'Albus Dumbledore is gay' issue.  I don't believe he was ever intended to be a gay character.  I think that, after finishing the books, after the sales were dropping off a bit, she claimed that in order to get a little bit of publicity.  If he was really gay, and that had been her intent, and she had a spine, she would probably have mentioned it earlier.  The fact that she waited until after all her books were published and basically said 'oh yeah, Dumbledore is gay' was just a cheap publicity stunt.

I agree, we need more gay characters that don't feel shoehorned or stereotypical.  Look at GTAIV; it's not too big a stretch to see that roid-rage freak eat bull testicles as a person struggling with their sexuality (and everything about the man screams issues).  But then they take the little nancy boy approach, and have a gay character who is basically the worst stereotype (can't remember his name, but he dates the mayor).

Personally, I think in RPGs, it'd be cool to let you hit on whoever (within reason), and you could determine your own orientation.  But I don't think we need to shoehorn gay stereotypes into games.  That's so gay.

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Oh, I agree in regards to Dumbledore. I have always thought that Rowling said that not because it was true, necessarily, but to have some fun at the expense of all the fundamentalists who insisted her books featured "real" witchcraft. You know, an "if they were upset about that, let's see how they like this!" kind of thing.

The point I was trying to make though, was that even if she had intended for him to be gay all along, there is nothing in the books that says so, making such a point moot. Having gay characters like that is useless.

Look at GTAIV; it's not too big a stretch to see that roid-rage freak eat bull testicles as a person struggling with their sexuality (and everything about the man screams issues).  But then they take the little nancy boy approach, and have a gay character who is basically the worst stereotype (can't remember his name, but he dates the mayor).

Regular, well-adjusted, and normal people who happen to be gay would be cool too.

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Personally, I view the whole thing as a marketing scheme.  By the time she had said that, all 7 books were well beyond the huge sales they generated when they first hit store shelves, and were at the point where sales were either dwindling or holding steady at a far lower rate.  I think it was her way of trying to appeal to a small section of the market, as well as her way of getting a bunch of free publicity for the book.  Besides, it's not like the statement would hurt her very much, as most people who wouldn't buy a book with a gay character seemed to be against a character who was a witch (or wizard) in the first place.  I don't believe she wrote Dumbledore as a gay character; I believe that she was just trying to say that to make more money.

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Well, to be honest, during the parts where Dumbledore's relationship with Grindelwald was discussed, I was thinking that it did sound a little gay. But there's not enough there to really know without her having said so. It's very subtle and the thought only occured fleetingly for me (i.e. "I bet there is slash fic of this somewhere."). Rowling explains that he was in love with Grindelwald which, if you read those passages in that context, fits. Somewhere, I once read that the first time she revealed that information was not at Carnegie Hall but to the director of the movies, when they were working on the script for The Half-Blood Prince. She spotted a reference to a female love interest in Dumbledore's past, which is never mentioned in the books. A rewriting was obviously called for and the reason why was explained to the director.

She planned it carefully and well in advance. Whether it was a publcity stunt, a joke, or she really did write him as gay as she felt she could get away with, it handles the situation of having a gay character in children's literature (at this point in time) as well as can be done these days by putting that information out there but not making it so overt as to keep parents from wanting their children "exposed" to gay themes. I think we often forget that those books are written for children. I lean away from the idea of it being a publicity stunt because of that. If it was intended to increase profits, she would've written him as more obviously gay and Scholastic would've been behind the move. Since Scholatic is hip to how parents think though, it's likely that she either never brought the idea up to them at all or, if she did, they shot it down in the interests of not upsetting parents.

Doesn't mean much for the gay community, though, besides adding another name to the list of fictional gay characters. Like I said before, if you can't tell someone is gay in the actual work, then there's little point in saying he is outside of it. Is that a cop out, if she did intend for him to truly be gay? I think so. I'm not going to begrudge her for it, though.

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Since Dumbledore was born when the Buggery act was still law he might have been really far into the closet but if anything she did absolutely no characterization to indicate his sexuality one way or the other, the man seemed a-sexual if anything. Anyways doesn't matter much anymore since Snape killed Dumbledore. 

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Actually, Rowling did state that if she knew that saying Dumbledore was gay would get her so much attention, she would have included it in the books.

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I guess I really don't care. I don't buy WW II or racing games because the elements and themes don't interest me; I probably wouldn't buy an overtly gay-themed game for the same reason. If the LGBT community has more games that appeal to them, great for them. They can buy those games, and I'll stick to buying games that interest me.

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I see alot of "secret conervitive's" on the lose in this thread...god I love you guys... ^-^



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Gai'z plz its jsut an opinoin relax!! =^^=


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Idk, i find thefremen's behavior to be on the far opposite side: So politically correct that even mentioning the word gay requires Al Sharpton and Hillary Clinton to start libel suits against me.

I've never seen so many horrible derailments on one thread :D

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Weird because I never said anything about libel (which, although I'm certain you think is defined as "something to do with liberals" is actually just when someone slanders someone else in print) and personally words don't mean quite as much as what you're saying with them. So, for example, I wouldn't feel the need to argue with someone stating "Those fucking fudge packing butt pirates can get married for all I  care they're going to Hell anyways lol." but I'll gladly bring up some counterpoints with someone saying "Homosexuals shouldn't be treated equally under law as heterosexuals.".

 

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But they are.

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No, we're not.

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No, they are not.

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Only because you can't read, apparently.

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"I say we meet in the middle, you and I. When gay people around the world can all agree that the right to marry someone of the same gender is necessary, then we'll discuss."

 

God damn it, I am not in the mood to roll this boulder up the hill again. I have work in under 1 and a half hours and I have to make dinner as well. So yeah, you win by virtue of the fact I just cannot do this 24 hours a day. It'll have to wait for the next time GP posts an article like "new rpg will have option to be gay" then you and austin lewis argue "zomg teh gays" and then myself and KN argue "lol white heterosexual males" and then one side gets the other to make some small gesture of a concession (never from KN he's just here to troll, SPOILER ALRET) and then at the very end someone says "lol liberals" and then I'm like "zomg i g2g to work no time to chat"....

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If someone made a game that had gay people as a focus, and said game actually took itself seriously (unlike just about any flash game out there), do you really think I'd have a problem with it?  What have I said, anywhere, that would suggest that?  I've never even said how I personally feel about gay marriage, that I can remember anyway.  What I have said was the fallicies of the arguments for gay marriage.  For example:

Argument for:  It's about love.

Fallicy:  Marriage, until the hippie movement, was rarely about love.  Until the turn of the century, it was commonplace across the country to have arranged marriage, and even after that, marriages were more about mutual benefit than love.  Since the hippie movement, marriage has been about love.  That's why half of marriages end in divorce.  Mostly unrelated point - a majority of homosexuals do not have monogomous relationships.  This is why AIDS is still an issue amongst homosexuals.  Therefore, since marriage is all about monogomy, the love argument for gay marriage cannot be used.

Argument for:  It's about equal rights.

Fallicy:  Straight men can't marry other men, nor can straight women marry other women.  Since straight people can't marry people of their same gender, claiming that gay people can't marry people of the same gender is inequal is logically and factually wrong.  Also, nowhere is there a law saying gay people cannot marry someone of the opposite gender, as straight people can.  Once again, claiming inequality doesn't fit.

 

Think of me as you wish, but these are valid points.  Nobody argues against these points.  Nobody has here.  All anyone says in response is "biggot" or "homophobe," which only translates to "I can't argue with your logic, so I'll attack you personally, because it's the only thing I have left."

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"Think of me as you wish . . . ."

Not that I needed your permission, but it's good to know that you won't be particularly bothered by the fact that I think you're a moron of gigantic proportions.

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Just as I would hope you won't be particularly bothered by the fact that I think you're an illiterate douchebag more concerned with screaming the loudest than actually understanding where the people who may or may not disagree with you are coming from.

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"This is why AIDS is still an issue amongst people."

AIDS can be contracted by anyone, and it is more prevalent in urban areas with low education standards. Stop pushing this bullshit about gays not being "monogomous".

"claiming that gay people can't marry people of the same gender is inequal is logically and factually wrong."

No, what would be intellectually wrong would be your entire comment. If there was gay marriage, here's a small hint as to what would happen. People can marry people regardless of gender. Your argument is filled with logical fallacies.

Your points are completely idiotic.

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The number one cause of aids: having more than one sexual partner.  The number two cause of aids: unprotected sex.  Source: the CDC.  The two groups of people, in order of cases, affected most by aids: black people and gays.  Source: the CDC.

Saying that gay marriage would allow anyone to marry anyone they want does not contradict in any way my statement about marriage equality.  If you can't understand that, then you have bigger problems than a lack of gay marriage.

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You really do like ignoring the benefits, rights, and privileges granted through marriage, don't you? Because in states where gay marriage or same-sex marriages aren't allowed or recognized, there are many, many couples deprived of them. So yes, there is a substantial inequality issue. If you can't understand that, then that's just a sad thing.

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If it's such an "inequality" issue, then why is it that, in states allowing gay marriage, the definition of marriage had to be changed or eliminated alltogether?  Could it be that the equality I posited was a legal roadblock?  Actually, yeah it was.  That's why California (competing for the title of "America's most liberal state") repealed gay marriage in both the vote and the Supreme Court, and why Minnesota (also competing for the title of "America's most liberal state") has not even considered anything on gay marriage at all.

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If it's such an "inequality" issue, then why is it that, in states allowing gay marriage, the definition of marriage had to be changed or eliminated alltogether?

Minnesota (also competing for the title of "America's most liberal state")

 

has not even considered anything on gay marriage at all.

Probably because they don't want Michelle Bachman reaching even higher levels of psychopath.

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I think that polygamy should be legal, to be honest. If you want to be legally bonded to 3 women and a dude, I say power to you. However, legal bondage should be a seperate thing from marriage, as marriage is chiefly a religious thing and should be kept seperate from the state. In other words: I want to be legally bonded to my wife, and share the same legal benefits of any currently married couple, but I don't wish to be "married" to her because I do not have religious beliefs or following at a church.

That way, everyone wins. It's fair (any set of consenting adults can become bonded and enjoy certain legal rights, regardless of gender/race), it further allows the seperation of church and state, it allows churches to continue to decide who they want to "marry..." It basically solves all of the problems at once.

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I also approve of this idea. I feel religion, apart from the practice of such being protected, has no place in our laws. Therefore, if religious institutions want to keep marriage to their own definition, they should lobby to have marriage no longer recognized by the government. This serves the dual purpose of taking away the idea that marriage is only between a man and a woman (since churches would then be able to determine on their own whether they will marry gay men and women or not) and leaving no reason why all civil unions shouldn't be equally observed.

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I agree, but the amount of work it would take to change that definition in legal documents and laws across the country is staggering.

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Oh, most definitely. The amount of work it'll take shouldn't be a factor in deciding matters of civil rights though.

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A gay man being able to marry a woman does not promote his right to the pursuit of happiness, I'm sorry you're too dense or hateful (I don't know which) to see this. I'm sorry the idea of some gay couple you don't even KNOW getting married makes you think your marriage will somehow be diminished, or the human race will die off, or the U.S. economy will fail, or more children will become gay, or whatever logical fallacy you've cooked up in your mind to make yourself feel better about this view. The fact of the matter is, it won't. Gay people getting married won't really change anythign for anyone except (GASP) gay people.

Let me put it this way. By supporting gay marriage, at no expense or disparagement to yourself you have the opportunity to further the happiness of THOUSANDS of individuals in this country. You have the opportunity to create more stable homes for children with gay parents. You have the ability to create more wealth (which means more spending and a more stable and growing economy). You have the ability to further the ability for people to take care of and support the people they love and devout themselves to already.

What possible REAL arguement can you place against that? I've studied this debate academically, socially, economically and religiously for the last 8 years. I have never once found a single arguement that either wasn't based on lies (like religions being forced to agree with gay marriage) or disregard for reality (the human race will die!!!) in that entire time. PLEASE give me one reason to have some semblance of faith in the intelligence of the opposition that has somehow prevented this eventuality from happening already. I would really love to have one reason to restore my faith in humanity. Because the anti-gay marriage initiative has all but made me feel that humanity is a failed experiment.

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Again, I've never said anything for or against gay marriage.  I never said that gays getting married would affect my marriage in any way (funny, because it won't.  You throw that out there, why?  Are YOU afraid it might?).  I never thought humans would die off (again, are YOU afraid it might?). The economy is already in the toilet (arguably because of uber-liberals in the House and Senate, which is funny because they're the ones pushing for gay marriage).  I never argued that more children would become gay, because everybody knows that gay people raising children don't necessarily raise gay children.  All I did was post two logical arguments that prove two arguments for gay marriage are patently false.

What your problem is, is that you are so hateful of anyone who MIGHT disagree with you that you project fallicies to them.  I have proven this, right here.

How's that for an argument, MrPat?

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"You throw that out there, why?  Are YOU afraid it might?"

"again, are YOU afraid it might?"

The hell kind of bullshit psychoanalysis is this man? He mentioned those points because they are what many decidely irrational people have said as an argument against gay marriage.

Also, I should point out that it's not much of an argument at all, seeing as how you...y'know, didn't actually respond to his points in any way. All you've done in this post is respond with some wacky psychoanalysis to things that he said you MIGHT be thinking as reasons behind your stance against gay marriage.

So, try responding again.

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The "bullshit psychoanalysis" comes from the fact that those arguments used against me had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with anything I said.  As I've pointed out countless times here (which nobody has even commented on) is that I haven't said what my position on the issue is.  I've done nothing more than counter the arguments used to support is, by pointing out flaws in the arguments themselves.  I've said this more than once.  You just don't understand that.  Because I'm not standing with you in any obvious fashion, I must be standing against you, so you attack me.

 

LEARN TO READ YOU DOUCHEBAGS!

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To sum up his post:

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Again, you're not really the most qualified to say it...

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When someone else whines as much as you do, you may have a point.

Now go back to finding new excuses to not cite your claims.

 
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MaskedPixelanteNumber 3: Night Dive was brought to the attention of the public by a massive game recovery, and yet most of their released catalogue consists of games that other people did the hard work of getting re-released.04/17/2014 - 8:46pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 2: If Humongous Entertainment wanted their stuff on Steam, why didn't they talk to their parent company, which does have a number of games published on Steam?04/17/2014 - 8:45pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 1: When Night Dive spent the better part of a year teasing the return of true classics, having their big content dump be edutainment is kind of a kick in the stomach.04/17/2014 - 8:44pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jeff-gerstmann-heads-to-new-york-takes-questions/1100-4900/ He talks about the future games press and the games industry. It is worth your time even though it is a bit long, and stay for the QA. There are some good QA04/17/2014 - 5:28pm
IanCErm so they shouldn't sell edutainment at all? Why?04/17/2014 - 4:42pm
MaskedPixelanteNot that linkable, go onto Steam and there's stuff like Pajama Sam on the front-page, courtesy of Night Dive.04/17/2014 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenOkay, again, please, please, PLEASE get in a habit of linking to whatever you're talking about.04/17/2014 - 4:05pm
MaskedPixelanteAnother round of Night Dive teasing and promising turns out to be stupid edutainment games. Thanks for wasting all our time, guys. See you never.04/17/2014 - 3:44pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the consequences were not only foreseeable, but very likely. anyone who understood supply demand curvs knew that was going to happen. SF has been a econ/trade hub for the last hundred years.04/17/2014 - 2:45pm
Andrew EisenMixedPixelante - Would you like to expand on that?04/17/2014 - 2:43pm
MaskedPixelanteWell, I am officially done with Night Dive Studios. Unless they can bring something worthwhile back, I'm never buying another game from them.04/17/2014 - 2:29pm
PHX Corphttp://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/video-games-continue-to-break-the-mold-229561923638 Ronan Farrow Daily on Video games breaking the mold04/17/2014 - 2:13pm
NeenekoAh yes, because by building something nice they were just asking for people to come push them out. Consequences are protested all the time when other people are implementing them.04/17/2014 - 2:06pm
Matthew Wilsonok than they should not protest when the consequences of that choice occur.04/17/2014 - 1:06pm
NeenekoIf people want tall buildings, plenty of other cities with them. Part of freedom and markets is communities deciding what they do and do not want built in their collective space.04/17/2014 - 12:55pm
Sora-ChanI realize that they have ways getting around it, but one reason might be due to earthquakes.04/17/2014 - 4:42am
Matthew WilsonSF is a tech/ economic/ trade center it should be mostly tail building. this whole problem is because of the lack of tail buildings. How would having tail apartment buildings destroy SF? having tail buildings has not runed other cities around the US/world04/16/2014 - 10:51pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the issue is you can not build upwards anywhere in SF at the moment, and no you would not. You would bring prices to where they should have been before the market distortion. those prices are not economic or socially healthy.04/16/2014 - 10:46pm
ZippyDSMleeYou still wind up pushing people out of the non high rise aeras but tis least damage you can do all things considered.04/16/2014 - 10:26pm
ZippyDSMleeANd by mindlessly building upward you make it like every place else hurting property prices,ect,ect. You'll have to slowly segment the region into aeras where you will never build upward then alow some aeras to build upward.04/16/2014 - 10:25pm
 

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