GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes Offline

August 31, 2009 -

Outspoken God of War designer David Jaffe posted a video rant against used game sales on Saturday, but apparently removed it from YouTube the following day.

We caught up to Jaffe's video yesterday morning while scanning our daily RSS intake (left). By late afternoon when we checked back to gather some quotes for this article, it was gone. In its place was a YouTube message reading, "This video has been removed by the user."

A short time later, when we looked again, we couldn't even access his blog. A system message from Blogger read: "This blog is open to invited readers only."

It's unclear why Jaffe's video was taken offline or why he locked his blog. While Jaffe's video argument against used game sales was punctuated by occasional f-bombs, that's not unusual for his freewheeling commentaries. Prior to being locked, readers of Jaffe's blog were engaged in a lively response to his video, both pro and con.

The used game issue is a passionate one indeed, and Jaffe has addressed it previously on his blog. For his part, Jaffe takes the standard industry line that games are bad for developers and publishers. In the deleted video, he said (we're paraphrasing from memory here) that he didn't begrudge consumers the right to buy used games, but that game creators deserved a cut of used game sales. He said that some have defended used game sales by comparing buying a used game to buying a used car. However, Jaffe said that was a bad analogy because while playing a used game is the same experience as playing a new game, driving a used car is a different experience from driving a new one.

GP: Hmmm... We tried to reach Jaffe via Twitter to ask him about the missing video, but it appears that his Twitter account is no longer active. We hope that Jaffe has not decided to stop interacting with gamers. While we don't always agree with his rants, they are provocative and entertaining.


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

About the only solution to this that would really work is for retailers to enter an agreement with developers not to provide new games as second hand until a set period after the release date, say, 6 months? That gives a chance for the developer to maximise its market share whilst still allowing the retailer to provide a service on second hand games, and allows the customer the freedom to treat their property as they see fit.

I agree that the developers shouldn't get money for every second hand sale, but, using the car analogy, it's rare for someone to buy a new car, use it for 3-4 days and then sell it on, in fact, people would be suspicious of what's happened to the car in those few days, so I can understand the companies concerns from that point of view.

It just seems the phrase 'compromise' is practically vanishing from business these days, no-one wants to meet halfway, either things go their way, or there's something wrong with the world and it's all designed to hurt them personally.

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I was actually thinking about this and started wondering if we might ever come to a point where games are released as DD or buy in the mail from the publisher only for ~6 months or so at the beginning of their release, and then get released to retailors. I wonder if that would have a chilling effect on the market or if people would just react as if the release date was 6 months later.

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For all intensive purposes it be like the release was 6 months later, the most I can see is double or tipple the amount of over priced collector/limited,ect editions that are purchased in a 6 month period  after launch so you might be lucky to sale 10-30% of what you sale directly to retailers, it may pad sales by 50K at the most but is a publisher willing to put off maximizing profit in the short run for more profit in the long run and all I can say is I think not.

 

You'd be better off trying to start a price war and drive sales from that direction for instance offer a title with free shipping(lower 48,5$ every where else in the US) for 10-15$ less than any national  retail chain I think that would drive direct sales hard and you could always set a limit to these specials of 50K worth of titles so you drive interest and minimize possible long term(6-12 month)damage.

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Ok so you lock in new sales for the first 6 months ok so then now what, well make it easier for retailers to return unopened stock even gee I dunno be able to to return a poorly made game without looking like a thief or dullard...that could work......


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Actually quite often a publisher is willing to take back and replace faulty disks, if you just don't like the game that's what being a conscientious consumer is about, how many movie tickets have you been able to return after seeing the first 10 minutes in the theatre?

Now who's asking for something that isn't allowed in any other industry?

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3 out of ten tickets(only go 2 or 3 times a year so it ebtter damn well be worth my while), generally in the middle of the film? I refuse to deal graciously with poor quality.


Sorry but begin stuck with a poor product is one of the reasons why people are not in a hurry to buy a new game even a 5 day to return for credit would be a good middle ground.

Not allowed in other forms of retail? Fucking A man I got 14 to 30 days to return MOST consumer goods from food to electronics to  clothing and a vast variarty of other goods to the store I bought it from and able to get most if not all of my money back, hell I ahve even managed to get it on CD,tapes and DVDs and the only reason I mange to get it is because I raise an articulate fuss and most just cave in, the vast majority of consumers are not like that they need more fairer structure to the rules of media return . Sure media muscled its way out of taking returns in the late 90s but it dose not make the practice sacrosanct it just pushes the bottom line further on the consumer who's slowly more willing to find different ways to consume the good they seek to consume, the music industry learned not to screw with the consumer too much and the game industry will learn that same lesson when tis unable to keep up appearances.

 

What ever happened to the golden rule the paying customer is always right? I guess it went out the window with service quality in retail when they found they could save money by not heiring smart people and save even more by telling people mis truths about their policy's..

 

Both retial and publishers are making MILLOINS its not going to hurt either to pick up some slack and start taking care of thier cosnuemrs again....


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Most if not all, like what you get for trade in? I fail to see why you can't be buying new and still trading in when you can always get most if not all of your money back on games too.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Fuck Jaffe, God of War wasn't that great, and he and his fat cat cronies can pry my RIGHT to second sale from my cold, dead hands.

Fuck these people. I'll bring up the standard analogy. Do you give Ford, or Saturn, or Toyota a cut of your fucking car when you resell it? No? Oh shit, maybe b/c they don't deserve to get paid twice for the same product.

If these guys have their multi-BILLION dollar panties in a twist they need to go to a 100% digital distribution model like Steam and make sure people know that people aren'y buying the games, they're licensing them.

I really hate these douches.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

You can hate Jaffe all you want but you have to admit God of War is one of the better franchises to come out recently.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Why does this guy think he matters?

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Heh, lets get a bit general here: "Why is it everyone on the internet think they matter?"

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Becuse "we" can only be right on the internet ^^


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

The used car analogy is a perfect analogy. A car goes down in value. A game goes down in value. Where a car takes damage, requires maintenance and other details, the standards to which a game is held are raised over time, and the online part of a game often also starts to suffer after a while. We want better graphics, more original content, improved gameplay, etc, etc. Claiming the experience doesn't change is as much ridiculous as claiming the roads of 50 years ago were just as good as the current ones and would suffice for the cars, traffic amount and expectancies of these days.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Hmm, something about 'heat' and 'kitchen' would be appropriate right now.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

And then there are consumers like me, who do not want to spend the $60+ on a new game but will go out and buy a used copy, borrow or rent it. Then a year or so buy a copy new (provided the game is good) when it is under $40. But I am an oddity.

~Weatherlight~

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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Not really an oddity, but that won't stop some people from looking at you funny if you publicly state it. :P


Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

When I sell my copy of a game, I am giving up the ability to play it again.  I'm trading future experiences for cash.  Why should Jaffe get some of that money? 

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

The slight problem with the used game discussion is, to a certain extent, finding the right analogy, because that in turn gets everyone in the right mindset and appropriately sets the level of discourse.

Is it like buying a used car? Just as much money and time is put into designing a car as a video game, but video games don't de-value with age the same way cars do (in some extent they do, but not so heavily).

Is it like buying a used book? Used book sellers have been around since before electricity (if not steam), and the book industry has survived. However, less people are involved with the actual process of writing a book than writing a video game (not that used book stores and libraries don't have their critics - S. M. Sterling has previously criticised libraries because he doesn't get paid for their circulation).

The best example I can think of is buying a used Movie (on VHS, DVD, Laserdisk, Blu-Ray or whatever), but the idea of buying a used movie isn't so heavily established as the other two options.

That said, I'll probably stick with the used book analogy myself, it's easier to explain, and I can think of defenses somewhat more easily

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

"Just as much money and time is put into designing a car as a video game, but video games don't de-value with age the same way cars do (in some extent they do, but not so heavily)."

Waaaay more money goes into designing cars than video games. The car manufacturers spend more on TV marketing on one model of car alone than the development of most AAA video game titles. Ford dropped $25 million to advertise JUST on American Idol. That's ONE show

As far as games not depreciating like cars do, well... Most do, except worse. My car is three years old. It went from $16,500 to around $11,000 in value, about 1/3rd of its value lost to depreciation. You think you're going to be able to sell a three year old game that cost $60 at launch for $40? How much do you think you're gonna get for a three year old sports game? You probably couldn't give it away.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

As has been said before car manufacturers make money out of the used car business, so it's not as though as many have claimed (in the many threads on this site about the issue) that car manufacturers have to live with a used business that they don't make any money out of because they do.

The used DVD market is different because money is made from the cinema first.

I suppose the used book market does match up best, but I'd still rather not use it.

Pretty much the used games market is unique because of the aggressive use of it. Even used book shops don't stock stack loads of the latest release, they usually have one or two. It's the fact that certain shops want to promote the used titles over new titles, whilst promoting the disposable nature of a game (play it, throw it), there's no sense of keeping a game (I wonder how many here actually have games from a few generations ago) and building a collection, so that they can keep the circulation of trade in, buy another, trade in, which generates the shop lots of money but benefits no one else.

The used game market keeps new games at a high price. I only want to buy new titles and I am sick of the aggressive promotion of used titles (and yes I now tend to avoid those shops because they have made it hard to buy new titles). I'm not sure there are many other markets where a product is released and then the next week it is available as a used copy.

And what's all this BS that a consumer has a "right" to sell something on. No you don't. If you buy a service, you can't sell that on. ebay prevents you from selling underwear and such. You can't sell on downloaded music. I suppose you have a "right" to sell on downloadable content then if you have a right to sell on a game?

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

You are a fucking retard. The courts of the United States of America says we have the RIGHT to second sale, dumbass. Look it up. I don't understand you idiots who seem eager to curtail your own rights. Go die in a fire.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Now now no need to get douchey yerself, there is no need to be so serious here.


Those who side against the first sale doc are simply looking to increase their own profit at the cost of of lowering our rights even further than they are, unfortunately the government dose not always bend over when the industry cries over spilled milk and wants its diapers changed. but of course give them time and gov might abolish first sale completely as so the CP owners can freely double dip and restrict sale to only channels that are willing to pay for mafioso protection from the media mafia.



*nawing on tinfoil*....ahem......Tinfoil hat conspiracies aside none of these would be entrapunares have the ability or the foresight to pave a way as they  can share in the sued game market, because after all they are not about change or innovation. They are about maintaining the system as it is so they can reap the most of of it, change makes it so profit is easier to attain for all involved not just a limited few with connections.



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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

But you are not buying a service, this is not a MMO with a locked account this is not DLC or Digital download that can easily be looked at as a service, this is a product the same as any prerecorded product on a physical medium and the same as any hot consumer item with a limited profit window before its forgotten and eneds to be replaced you can not blame the consumer or any business that hums along fine without selling new products, who's to blame why the game industry is its far to greedy and far to shortsighted....



You are putting the cart before the horse and the egg before whatever animal that laid it, This is the situation you have out of control production costs and or poor management issues and no true price competition to drive sales, what you have here is a form of stagnation because they can not derive enough profit from the random profits they seek.  The only choice they have is to start competing by lowering prices this combined with making deals with the used retailer will bring them the most profit but they will get no where until they stop languishing in the "woe is me life is unfair" mindset. Its that or double prices so they can have their profit(works for anime in japan) or move to digital distribution only and see their profits shrink even more.


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

I think looking at it as a used item analogy is more appropriate, a item and what ever IP/trade mark it has is sold that many gets distributed to the CP owners and makers/publishers/factory for that item. Then when that item is passed onto a new owner the only thing that is traded is what the owner /seller and new owner/buyer agree upon.Then in a natural market business's will come along to fill a need for that used good be it antiques, used cars or used media. Thee is nothing inherently wrong ,bad or evil with used item sales where the owners have no power or profit over it. What is much more vile  and insipid are the  tactics the industry uses to milk content and do nothing to control costs on their end. Have we all forgot about the financial melt down where greed and lack of oversight IE mismanagement and cost control caused multi billion dollar companies to go belly up because they could not balance the cost of doing business with profit to stay in business?

 

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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Another dev. pisses off his potential customers. Way to go dude! This is extarcy what will make people shell out $60 for your game when disposable income is at a minimum. Places that push used games on people and sell them for near new prices are the problem, not the used games industry. Gamers and publishers sould unite againts them.

If developer say things like please hold off for six months after release before buying the game used or selling it, then that woud be understadable. If they offered added value like a cupon for extra DLC that would be nice. It coud even be something simple like a cool looking gun or a vehicle.  They're devs : Be creative! I don't want it to be anything that would tip the game balance, just something that looks or sounds cool.

See, those are real solutions. As long as devs make gamers angry in those idiotic rants then places like gamestop are safe. Only when gamers and the industry unite can they put a stop to them.

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The funny thing is they whine all day long about piracy, but at the same time want to drive people into piracy. B/C the first thing half the people who buy used games b/c that is all they can afford will do once you take away their used games, is buy bootlegs and download pirate copies. I swear to god, these companies are either very very dumb, or very very smart, I'm not sure which.

Jaffer on the other hand I've always thought was a douche.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

I genreally wait to see if they bother finishing the game 6 months after they release it....


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

This is why I generally don't buy on release day except for very, very rare cases.

 

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

 I got through half of wolfenstien and was trolling on ebay and bought 2 new copeis, walmart was selling it for 49$ and a 10$ card so there are alot of deals to be had in the resale circts I ploed 35 a pop for 2 copies becuse I thought it was half decent, sure they are laying off people left and right and elt go of the MP staff but thigns don't look soooooooo bad for it its sold more than 100K copies so far and thats not to bad.

 

Plus you can kinda mod it out of the box so I am compfertable with it at least. Speaking of which I have bought 2 used copeis each of UT3,BIoshock and FO3 in the past year or so. I might break down and buy 2 copies of SC2/Daiblo 3 no matter how much I bitch abut it if I can tag 2 for 50$. I still need tog et the organe box so I cna play with my frined but blarghhh...I hate steam with a passion....


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Apart from a lower price, buying games used is the only way I can stomach purchasing Activision titles these days. Definitely can't wait to pick up my used copy of Modern Warfare 2.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

If you don't like the company don't buy their games. Saying they're bad and then using their products without supporting them financially just shows how self centered and egotistical you are.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

irrelevant. He's supporting the entity that sold the game.

 

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Haha, wow! Such vitriol!

@questionmark1987

I am not the egotistical and self centered fellow you would so readily claim me to be, my friend :)

@GoodRobotUs

Because I have a full time job, being able to afford a full release price is a non-issue (did it with Batman: Collector's Edition recently, plan to do it with Uncharted, Brutal Legend, Left 4 Dead 2, Alpha Protocol, etc.). So...yeah.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

My apologies, but I do consider buying their games used and not supporting them even though you want their games enough to play them to be hypocritical at best. I think it's a bit contradictory to say you refuse to support someone but you like their games and most likely want them to keep making them.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Were you responding to me or the first response to me? I'm confused by your comment please explain.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Or that he can't afford the release price...

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

In which case he has the right to wait for the title to decrease in price. As I've said before there is no right to play every game released or even every game you want. I personally feel anyone who plays a full version of a game someone created should in same way or small amount be giving some compensation to those who created the game. Buying a new game or some DLC are both common ways to do that. If Person A buys the game new and trades it in, and person B buys the game used, only person A actually contributed to the creators. In that hypothetical it's my opinion person B shouldn't get the privlidge of playing it.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Phantom Brave, Disgaea 2, Makai Kingdom, Saiyuki, Megaman Legends, Tales of Symphonia 2, so on so forth disappeared rather quickly before going down in price.  Wouldn't have them if not for used sales.  I have the right to purchase a game that's no longer available new if someone will sell it to me, the developer doesn't get any money, but then again it's their fault for not having the game out their, and not having it at an affordable price in the first place.
 

 

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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Once again I agree, but I bet you could have gone online and purchased a new copy for a similar price when you went to Gamestop for them.

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Its rather simple they can't touch used sales,whining about them and downloading is rather silly since the damage is minuscule at best, however they could make a deal with retailers to lower new games prices to get a  equal cut (20-30% off new 20-30% of used sale price they get in return)of any title they own thats resold.


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

They are also rereleasing God of War 1 and 2 for the PS3, meaning they get to rake in truckloads of money without having to produce a new product. This, to me at least, seems like the industry equivalent to selling used games.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Looks like trying to tell people buying used games is wrong was starting to get to Jaffe.

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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Guess what people, car manufacturers actually make money out of the used car market. Many manufacturers actually sell used cars themselves (Ford themselves sell used Ford cars), they actually get a cut out of the used car market. Plus add onto this the fact that cars need spare parts and the car manufacturers make money out of that too by selling those parts.

So anyone want to claim that car manufacturers don't make a profit out of the used car market?

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

As has already been stated, car companies only get money from used car sales when they sell them themselves.

Also, there are aftermarket part manufacturers out there that can create and sell parts for most any car on the market, thus further eating into the Manufacturers' profits.

The video game industry has come up with similar methods of gaining money from even used sales. DLC is primary among them. These added value add ons can generate revenue for game developers even if the physical copy was sold used.

So why is the car analogy not a good fit?

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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

So we've gone from "car manufacturers don't make any money out of the used car market at all", to "car manufacturers don't make any money out of the used car market when this happens and then this happens and then this happens".

Also another reason why car manufacturers enjoy the used car market is due to market penetration, they've worked out other ways to generate income from the used car market.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Make money selling parts?

You mean like how game companies have been giving DLC to new owners and not second hand purchasers? (Dragon Age, Gears, Batman, etc)

See, there's ways for them to make profit without muscling in.

 

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

And this will only get worse, pretty soon you won't be able to finish the game without  buying something new and getting the end-game download code or registering and having the last disc sent to you in the mail. Just wait, we're getting there.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Pretty soon?

See: Katamari (360)

 

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

Well you either buy in or not, like anythign else really.

Then again what I am saying I went and bought 2 copies of wolfenstien for me and a bud becuse it was half decent 0-o


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Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

You buy Katamari but then find out that you have to pay more money to play the stuff on the disc. Very, very poor on Namco's part.

Re: GoW's Jaffe Rips Used Game Sales & Apparently Goes ...

So your argument is that the used car analogy doesn't fit is because car manufacturers have figured out how to make money from the used car market and to use that market to their advantage in other non-monetary ways while the games industry hasn't.

Gotcha.

Also another reason why car manufacturers enjoy the used car market is due to market penetration

So why can't the games industry appreciate the used market for the same reason?

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ZippyDSMleeNot saying that there is not a difference in the treatment of males and females in media, but males are begin painted as near perfect superhumans with cliched flaws it dose as much damage to the psyche as how females are treated. Sure you could claim that08/28/2014 - 5:19pm
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NeenekoMeh, the "PCism" is just trotted out when people do not know their place and dare to complain about things the speakers think are fine. How dare people complain about how they are treated/portrayed, it is not like it bother us, our feelings matter!08/28/2014 - 1:13pm
ZippyDSMleeNeeneko I do not think its against feminism but rather against PCisim’s and that most things are offensive since if you do not believe that you are a Neanderthal that beats women,ect..08/28/2014 - 12:48pm
Neenekocomplete with the standard 'she is a lying and attacking the game industry! threats are wrong but she did it to herself' comments.08/28/2014 - 11:28am
Neenekosad, but not surprising. the backlash against feminism has been growing the last few years.08/28/2014 - 11:25am
PHX Corphttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/27/feminist-video-game-critic-forced-to-leave-her-home-after-online-rape-and-death-threats/ Feminist video game critic forced to leave her home after online rape and death threats08/28/2014 - 9:43am
Uncharted NEShttp://kotaku.com/once-again-atlus-doesnt-want-you-to-spoil-the-new-pers-162782610808/28/2014 - 5:17am
Uncharted NESOnce Again, Atlus Doesn't Want You to Spoil the New Persona08/28/2014 - 5:16am
lomdrPretty much, Andrew. And hell, it helps that it is a bit reasonably priced too. $8 for 1, $12 for both at once08/28/2014 - 3:43am
Andrew EisenMP - Probably not and for good reason. That term holds a lot of deserved negative baggage.08/27/2014 - 10:02pm
Uncharted NESApprently there is still a classic mode, but...08/27/2014 - 9:34pm
MaskedPixelanteSo, there's been massive positive reception to the Mario Kart 8 DLC bundle. Somehow, I doubt it would have gotten as much positive buzz if they called it a "Season Pass".08/27/2014 - 9:34pm
Uncharted NEShttp://m.pcgamer.com/2014/08/27/quake-live-makes-newbie-friendly-changes-in-latest-update-people-get-mad/08/27/2014 - 9:19pm
Uncharted NESQuake Live makes newbie-friendly changes in latest update, people get mad.08/27/2014 - 9:19pm
 

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