Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money Creating Video Games

September 6, 2009 -

We’ve heard video games blamed for a lot of crazy things over the years but the “death of our planet”? 

Well, that’s a new one.

Yoshiyuki Tomino (left), creator of the long-running Mobile Suit Gundam series, delivered the keynote at Japan’s CEDEC 2009 game developers’ conference and offered a rather strong negative opinion on the subject of video games and how they affect our lives.

I think that video games are evil.  [Gaming] is not a type of activity that provides any support to our daily lives, and all these consoles are just consuming electricity! Let's say we have about three billion people on this planet wasting their time, bringing no productivity at all. Add 10 billion more people, and what would happen to our planet? Video games are assisting the death of our planet!

Those are some pretty surprising comments coming from a man whose franchise has spawned more than 100 video games over the last couple decades. Tomino, who thinks nothing’s bested Tetris since it came out over 20 years ago, offered the attending developers advice on how to proceed from here on out.

You have to find the median -- that games are not evil, perhaps not necessarily good either, but something that can be considered a pastime…

 

This is what I want to tell you: I want you to create a game that does not negatively affect our daily lives and is something that is considered more productive.

AE:  I can’t help but imagine a slack-jawed look of disbelief from the game developers in attendance.

Via: Gamasutra

-Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics Senior Correspondent Andrew Eisen


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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Actually I am quite sane (no brain damage), and I do occasionally enjoy anime. Depends on the anime of course. Sadly the original Mobile Suit Gundam has a place in my heart.

Anime is just...a different format. Don't understand the hate against it.

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I think the hate comes from a general belief (of those who haven't delved deeply into anime) that all anime is variations on Pokemon.  That's what the average person sees of anime, so that's what they think it is.  They simply don't get to see the work of people like Makoto Shinkai, Hayao Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon or Yoshitoshi Abe.  It's like hating all Hollywood movies based on knowledge of only Michael Bay movies.

The real sad thing that I've noticed is that haters of anime don't ever seem to want to be educated.  They don't care to learn that anime is a lot bigger than the mainstream fluff.  But I don't get too upset about it - it's their loss, not mine.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Pffft, pokemon. I'd seen Akira and Vampire Hunter D before I saw Pokemon.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Granted I didn't like Akira too much and I avoid Pokemon as much as possible. Stuff like Death Note, Macross, Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop hold more of my interest.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

If you haven't seen any of the following, you may not have seen good anime: Elfen Lied, Haibane Renmei, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Memories, Millennium Actress, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Voices of a Distant Star.  All very different from the usual anime fare.  I would put Azumanga Daioh in there, because it's quirky and different, but it's drawn in that traditional anime way, so it might lead folks to think that I'm defending stuff like Pokemon and Inuyasha (which I'm not).

I guess my point is this - yes, there are bad anime, and some of the bad stuff is popular.  But that doesn't mean all anime is bad.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Nope, tha fact that all anime is bad means all anime is bad.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

If you haven't seen any of the following, you may not have seen good anime: Elfen Lied, Haibane Renmei, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Memories, Millennium Actress, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Voices of a Distant Star.  All very different from the usual anime fare.

Only an idiot would make a blanket condemnation of an entire genre based on a very small sampling of the genre.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

And only an immature idiot would rise to such obvious bait. He doesn't like anime - who cares?

Are you the Manga Pope or something that you have to convert everyone to liking anime?

People are different; they like different things. Fact.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

An idiot like me. Anime sucks and you suck for defending it.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Yeah because, you know, heaven forbid someone likes something you don't.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Seems more like a case of "heaven forbid someone doesn't like something you do" really.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Eh, good point. Let bygones be bygones? Whatever the hell that means.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

The anime you've seen may well suck, but I don't know what you've seen and I'm not defending what you've seen.  The likelihood is that what you've seen does indeed suck, because most people who aren't into anime get their opinion of it from what appears on TV - and what's shown on TV is usually real mindless garbage intended for pre-teens.  Even most of the stuff on the Anime Channel usually sucks.

The anime I've seen - the stuff I've already mentioned - is for adults, it's not seen on TV (some of it, like Elfen Lied, probably could not be shown on TV given the restrictions of the studios) and it does not suck.  A reasonable person still may not like it, but a reasonable person who saw it would have to admit that it doesn't suck.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

"but a reasonable person who saw it would have to admit that it doesn't suck."

If it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, feels like a turd and came out of a dogs arse, would you put it in your mouth to confirm it's a turd?

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Personally I don't like Michael Bay movies, but I'm not going to say all his movies are automatically bad - that would be prejudice based on ignorance.  I haven't seen all his movies, so I can't say they're all bad, but Transformers and Armageddon are definitely garbage.

As I said before, some anime critics have a knee-jerk response to anime and don't care to be educated.  That's their loss.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

The first Transformers was acceptable, the second was not. Armageddon was utter shite, The Rock was saved by having Sean Connery in it, Bad Boys 1 & 2 were terrible, partly because of Michael Bay, partly because of Will Smith and that other goon.

I certinaly DO expect a Michael Bay film to be bad, but sometimes they can still be entertaining.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

This Troll is SnowFox Approved! 

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Hmm, I wonder what he'd say about all the DVD players being used to view media HE created.

By his logic, even if your home is off the grid, on solar or wind power, and you turn on a video game console on electricty generated by renewable, non-polluting sources, you're contributing to the death of his planet, despite that many, MANY DVDs with media of his creation on them are NOT decomposing in landfills.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Did he only say that because the first Gundam game on the PS3 sucked massive balls?

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Meh he lost control of the Gundam series over a decade ago. Maybe that is why he is bitter?

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

I don't understand how somebody in the entertainment industry, especially the one behind something as iconic as Gundam, could say something like this.  I just don't get it.

I'm also going to point out that over the last decade, video games have become increasing social.    Surely that counts for something.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Title's inaccurate -- I don't think Tomino created any video games himself.

I'm actually reminded of some of the sentiments Hideaki Anno expressed regarding the otaku subculture after creating what's arguably THE otaku anime, Neon Genesis Evangelion. And this was a guy whose roots and whose STUDIO'S roots were deeply embedded in said subculture -- which, incidentally, Tomino largely created. (And later there was the fallout from Gurren Lagann episode 4...)

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Are there any usable photos or mug shots of him that don't make him look like a Bond villain?

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

It amuses me greatly when people who should know better don't know jack s***.

He's taking a VERY narrow view on video gaming, and has absolutely no clue whatsoever about anything else.

My own experiences with video gaming completely destroy his black and white argument.

I've played video games for something like 25 years now. I got into the Computer Science department of my College because of video games. My English skills are vastly better than they would be because I had to learn English to understand video games and the manuals (they weren't translated back in the day).

Because of the path video games put me I was able to move to the US, and I am now working at one of the premiere hedge funds in the world making 5 times as much money as I was when I got out of school. None of this stuff would've happened without me playing video games. I grew up in a town with 20% unemployment...the alternative could've been very different.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Well I gotta agree with him on one point.

Think about it, has anything bested Tetris since it came out?

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Depends on what you're asking.  Have better video games come along?  Absolutely.  Have better puzzle games come along?  Debatable as most puzzle games have their roots in Tetris's formula.  Does Puzzle Quest count?  I think it's a better game but without Tetris it wouldn't exist.  As for a better puzzle game not based on the formula?  Scribblenaughts looks like a contender but I haven't played it yet.

 

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

I imagine that he'll suddenly say that he's found a solution in his latest game. This all could be a PR exercise ready to promote his next "revolutionary" game.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

*looks at checklist* Let's see, killing our planet - drugs, crime, greed, war, religious zealots, unbelievable stupidity...no no that's not it. Ah! Here it is, video games!.

Seriously this guy is an idiot. Videogames are a hobby, and hobbies are meant to entertain us when we're NOT working. Not to mention that there aren't even 10 billion people on the planet, let alone  just gamers.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

TOMINO said that? Hypocrite! (okay you anti-anime and gundam haters you can ignore what is going to be written next)

 

In the 1980's Tomino, while reeling from the success of Mobile Suit Gundam and Z Gundam (two very intelligent shows at the time) was suffering from depression and anxiety. He was also struggling to be taken seriously as an artist at the time. He was one that supported all media and said if you look upon lightly on one form, you discredit for the rest. Hell in the 1990's he was interested how internet and electronic media were going to change all media forever. Stating once that even games were starting to have better animation and thought than some big movie productions and television shows.

Fast foward nearly 20-30 years later, he is considered a legend (even though he hasn't really had a good hit series in years). He then starts bashing video games as evil? Guess the old "Bald Wizard" has finally lost his touch. A shame. In the 80's this guy was really cool.

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is not a type of activity that provides any support to our daily lives, and all these consoles are just consuming electricity

 

Same could be said about the Gundem series

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

I don't know, Gundam has its charm....if you watched it from 1979 to 1993. Then it just got pants on head retarded.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

well...yeah, but it's still passive entertainment that doesn't provide productivity or anything.

Does that include Gundam Wing? i liked that one when i was younger.

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Oh I agree. Passive Entertainment. Not like it makes you want to be a doctor or anything.

-anime haters ignore this-

Gundam Wing was...okay. I enjoyed it as well, but it was a huge rehash of everything before it.

1979 we had the original Gundam 0079 or Mobile Suit Gundam. In the 80's we had Z Gundam and Gundam ZZ (which is still receiving some hate in Japan for its child like follow up to a dark and adult series like Z Gundam), then we had Char's Counterattack (more or less the movie finale), and then Tomino made a dismal attempt at creating a new series by making Gundam F91, and then hit gold in 1993 with V-Gundam (Victory Gundam). Though Tomino was noted to suffer bouts of depression and severe anxiety attacks. It was pretty evident in his works which became bleaker and bleaker.

After that he abandoned Gundam pretty much until 1999 with Turn-A Gundam (surprisingly good)

Wtih Tomino pretty much gone from Sunrise/Bandai for awhile. Bandai produced "alternate universe" series: Gundam Wing, G-Gundam, Gundam X, SEED and Seed Destiny were studio made since they had all the rights. Tomino was not involved in anyway, except for his name as the original creator.

He occasionally comes back and does "movie re-makes" of his original series, but that is it.

However the new series Gundam 00 is actually pretty awesome. (again no Tomino involved, but they got it right this time! :D)

 

 

 

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

 I'd imagine that Tomino's argument to defend the gundam franchise would be something along the lines of saying that there is meaning behind the gundam series... like the world would be a little better if people saw the meaning behind the stories and took them to heart... or something like that. Therefore its not "a waste of time"

Though i'm not sure how the countless toys and video games based of the series, that he likely profited from, contribute productively to society

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Wow, As much as I love the Gundam series and probably some of his other work.  I didn't expect Tomino to say video game are evil.  I think Tomino forgot about SD Gundam G Generation (Which I don't play, my cousin does) which is a video game expanding the Gundam series.  Did he forgot about Gundam Mousou or Dynasty Warriors: Gundam series also?      

 

 

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

I used to have quite a bit of respect for the "Bald Wizard", but perhaps he was off the meds again? He has been noted to suffer severe depression from time to time.

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and Ill bet games have fueled many technical and software inovations over the years

Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

Actually, that's doubtful.  Gaming technology is based on computer technology, which is based on advances from military research.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

I keep pointing my finger and peeing myself laughing at people who try to equate hobbies, entertainment, and activities whose primary purpose is, at the least, to provide pleasure (according to the participant) as having no value to the existance and benefit of the rest of the world.

These things AREN'T meant to be directly productive to the rest of the world when participated in by one individual.

On the other hand, by presenting the participant with a method of stress relief, something to take one's mind off the rigors of other important issues and daily life for a short time, one becomes better capable of providing that which is required to benefit one's self as well as the rest of society.

Without this variety of short term distractions, one could easily succumb to the "workaholic" or "overworked" situations, which present with a number of medical and psychological negatives, which decrease an individual's ability to perform various tasks, including ones which benefit the rest of society.

So Mr. Tomino is perhaps the "evil" one, as he seems to feel that denying the average individual the distractions needed to cope with the rigors of daily stress will benefit society when, in fact, it has proven to be more harmful.

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Re: Video Games Are Evil, Says Guy Who Made a Lot of Money ...

"I keep pointing my finger and peeing myself laughing at people who try to equate hobbies, entertainment, and activities whose primary purpose is, at the least, to provide pleasure (according to the participant) as having no value to the existance and benefit of the rest of the world."

Exactly what I was thinking.  If the stress relief that goes along with starting up your favourite game doesn't count as supporting society, I don't know what does.

It seems to me that many people simply can't see beyond some sort of materialist profit vs. loss calculation.  In terms of this guy he seems to be too focused on the ultimate needs of the planet and not focused enough on making life on it better for the folks who are here now.  Saving the planet is a great goal, but if it comes at the price of making everyone miserable, maybe it shouldn't be saved.

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Ironically too focused on the ultimate needs of the planet when all he has done is given the planet an ultimately worthless and valueless anime series.

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@ Darksaber: What if I told you Jack Thompson hated anime as much as you do? Will you side with him.  As a matter of fact, I already met some anime haters threatening to bring back Jack Thompson by any mean including violence because of Halo becoming a anime.  They already put a death to Batman just because it became a anime.  Now what would happen if more video game get anime adaptation like Resistance, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank and something like that.  What if Grand Theft Auto get an anime adaptation? Will you be like JT and attack both video game and anime just because of a game get an anime adaptation?  Will you hate video game because of them getting anime adaptation.  I think you should think about it.

anime and manga got blamed for crime already:

-Deathnote has been blame for a serial killer in Belgium.  It was blamed for people imitating the deathnote notebook which got kids in trouble thinking it was a death threat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_Murder

-Naruto has been blamed for a kid burying his head in a sandbox.

-In Taiwan, a suspect blame Battle Angel Alita manga for murdering a person.  The press is going along with it.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-10/taiwanese-murder-suspect-reportedly-blames-gunnm-manga

 

Now anime haters are hating Halo just because it becoming an anime and has put death threats to Bungie and Microsoft and throwing conspiracy theories about how the anime industry took over the video game industry.  Now Darksaber, what happen if JT and other game haters decide to attack anime and manga next.  Will you forgive them for what they did and hate video game forever?  Will you put JT back as lawyer so you can take down video game and the anime together? Do you want to become the next JT and blame anime for school shooting, and crimes just like how JT blame video game for those? If you decide to hate video game because of anime, you're no better then Jack Thompson, you'll become a traitor and hated by the video game community everywhere.  That include all of you anime haters, go ahead I dare all you anime haters to hate video game and side with Jack Thompson. If Halo getting a anime, so will other video game like Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Fallout, Resistance, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, and things like that.  If you hate anime, then you'll have to hate video game because this will happen after Halo Legends debuted.  

 

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Time for your pills, son.

Repeat the following with me:

"Just because someone voices a negative opinion about something I like, that does not mean they are commenting negatively about me, or accusing me of anything."

 

Relax, you'll live longer.

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Actually bashing anime is just like attacking a video game. You aren't aware that anime haters may end up becoming JT and blaming anime on school shooting, terrorism, and something like that.

 

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I fail to see how disliking something leads to blaming it on all of the world's problems.

I don't like brusselsprouts. Does that mean that one day I'm going to say they are responsible for school shootings and terrorism?

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So what? Video games haven't been banned, nor has anime.

People (sadly) have the right to spout off about stuff they either know nothing about, or dislike (or both). It's your call how you want to respond, but you're way too easy to wind up, dude :)

Also, JT is an impotent asshat.

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AE: Please stop prefixing your posts with three carriage returns.  Thanks.

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Your logic is fucking stupid.

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So that means if JT or any game haters attack anime. You would side with them, you said you hate anime. If they hate anime like you, you would side with them and forgive them for any attack video game they did.  I already met some anime haters that are going to hate video game if more American game became anime.  As of now, Halo and Dante's Inferno are the only Western game getting anime adaptation.  What if Grand theft Auto get a anime adaptation.  Is GTA evil and should be destroy because they team up with anime company? Come on, Darksaber what if game company really would want their game to become anime, it's sort of better then live-action movie.   

 

 
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