Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers Get For Free

September 9, 2009 -

Usually, it's the PC crowd that gets dissed by game publishers. But in the case at hand Valve is doing right by computer gamers while Microsoft seems intent upon squeezing the last nickel out of Xbox 360 owners.

At issue is Crash Course,  a bit of DLC for the popular zombie shooter Left 4 Dead. Valve, which doesn't charge for DLC, plans to give Crash Course away to PC players. Meanwhile MS will be nicking 360 gamers $7 for the download.

Not that he has any explaining to do (although MS does), but Valve's Chet Faliszek told Eurogamer why it's happening this way:

We own our platform, Steam. Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there...

Via: The Consumerist


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I wish VALVe made L4D2 a DLC. Not necessary the free type, but the $40-50 extension type. That may help stop with the spliting community part.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

TBH i wish that any and all companies would stop making shoddy "sequels" and start just labeling them what they are, Expansions. i'm prob gonna get flak for this but here goes anywho.

the Half Life 2 "Episodes".. expansions. at least priced so too.

Halo 3 ODST = expansion at full price

GRAW 2 (either version) = expansion at full price

Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = expansion at full price

CoD WaW was a really nice WW2 mod of CoD4 IMHO, but still felt more like some lengthy expansion and mod. Even the new wolfenstein, it literally feels like they just made a CoD with the occult twists of RTCW. it plays, feels, and runs far to similar to the other games using that game engine atm. there was a time when they tried to at least shed the feel of the game that first used the engine, but lately its like that concept of a "new game" means copying everything from the previous game, and barely expanding into new territory.

theres just so many games not even being tried with, they add maybe a few minor alterations, then slap a new shorter than last campaign into the mix and sell it as a new game. CoD 4 is a good example TBH, it uses the same dated engine of CoD2, but with new lighting and some AI tweaks (not to mention 5 times the infinite spawning enemies until the player specifically moves up) that aside the MP was the only thing really toyed around with. Then CoD WaW took that, and made CoD4 meets DoD with more gore.... lotsa change there.

 

and CoD6 MW2 is looking to be yet another expansion sequel with minor changes to keep the masses in line with it, but enough tiny tweaks that'll draw everyone into buying it anyways.

a good new game off another engine would be something like Batman, UE3, but shows little to no sign of the engines original gameplay design, even the GoW games that use it don't reveal it as the FPS engine it was made to be. (GoW to GoW2 being another expansion like sequel)

this is why i shop used nowadays though when buying console titles...

they're to busy pushing out fast games and not spending enough time to make quality games.. tis the fall of gaming truly now that the markets dominated by snappy PR shots and Jocks that'll actually believe the new game is "so awesome!" when it barely expands the gameplay of the previous titles or others using the same engine!

so why should i pay full price for expansion packs? let alone pay support to these companies?

 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

GRAW 2 was not an expansion, nor was Vegas 2.  Both brought dramatic changes to the engine.  Both brought new weapons to the table.  And Vegas 2 added the option to sprint

And the half life episodes are labeled as expansions, so I don't see the problem.  They're not trying to pass them off as full games.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

what were these dramatic changes? a medic in GRAW2, the sprint in R6V2?

those are minor changes worth an expansion packs level of add-ons. New weapons are also expansion pack grade.

R6V2 isn't even a sequel, its a tie in. Yet another Expansion queue.

GRAW 2 was a sequel, but a deliberate unfinished story sequel.

that aside they tweaked the gameplay and graphics engine. again, signs of an expansion pack.

as for the HL2 episodes, their considered "episodic content" or more commonly called "shorter individual full games", much like the wallace and Gromit games, or Sam and Max.

each one finishes its own mini story arc, but the next episode just continues without actually attaching directly.

the HL2 eps are a neat twist in they each end, but the story links fully right back to the original game, despite seperate tales twisted between them.

Halo 3 was way to short, even compared to its own predacessors, it was hardly a full game.

 

 

 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Speaking of HL2. WHERE. THE. F**K. is episode 3. I thought one of the 3 reasons for making the expansion episodic was that the releases would be quicker!

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

valve's got themselves all backwards. Episodes are what they should be releasing within a year of the previous game, where as sequels are supposed to come several years later...

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

To be fair...Halo 3 ODST is expected to be about a 6 hour campaign, pretty much the same length as Halo 3. And ODST has firefight mode AND every map for multiplayer (including some new ones if I remember correctly). Over $20 in DLC maps, a 6 hour campaign, firefight mode...I mean it's pretty close to being a full game.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I remember when 6 hours was the length of the expansion, not the main game.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

heh, i always felt that Halo 3's campaign mode was WAY too short for a full game; it gets old fairly quickly... 12+ hours (Halo 3 + Halo ODST) sounds a bit more like it... For me, Halo ODST's campaign is giving Halo 3 the longer campaign mode it really needs; so ya, feels more like an expansion to me

Which is how i feel for L4D2... i mean I can enjoy L4D as it is, but will not keep me from thinking that it should have had more campaigns (particularly more variety as the ones the have seem to feel the same), melee weapons, and a few more special zombies to feel "complete"... 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

This is why you people need to put away the xbox and hop on your PC for gaming. Definitely a superior platform.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

and this my friends is why i've always been, and will always be a PC gamer :)

we don't adhere to shoddy DLC payments so well :) most will probably pirate the content, and others like myself would just ignore it until it came packaged with more than just this and that.

not the true gamers anywho, these new "casual" players seem to love their microtransactions though... sad really... very sad.

its actually odd to see so many DLC things costing money on the PC as it is, but more oft than not PC users get it free at some point or another, either with the game, or as a promo/price removal.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Yup. Good example of that was the recently released F.E.A.R 2 DLC:

 

Steam/Valve put F.E.A.R 2 at a 25% discount so that if you bought it with the DLC, it would end up at the original price again before the discount. Rather clever idea.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I don't really see a problem. After all, people bought Portal: Still Alive, and that was just a free DLC pack for the PC version.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Are you sure that Portal: Still Alive was free for Steam? The extra levels that aren't in Portal, maybe, but they still have to have payed for Portal. Portal: Still Alive on XBLA was Portal AND the extra levels, and cost like $10-15.

Unless they gave away Portal and the extra levels both for free on Steam...

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

According to what I heard, Still Alive was just a retail version of The Flash Version Map Pack, which was a free, fan-made download for the PC version.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I don't have Portal, and never have, but I've downloaded Still Alive from Steam for free.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Oh. The XBLA version had Portal along with some bonus levels.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

The fact that Microsoft have done this before with free Valve content does make it a non-issue.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Thats becuse everything costs and or can make money on the 360, on the PC not so much to few consumers on it.


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

That's right Zip, so few consumers that Steam is one of the most successful business models in gaming, enabling Valve to give away their DLC.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Ya but the 360 sales 3 or 4 times as many copies, so meh.


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I would like to know your source for this. But of course I already know that your source is straight out your ass. Valve has never released sales numbers for anything on Steam and I doubt they ever will. Any numbers you see are guesses.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

But you said the PC had "too few" consumers, which is a different kettle of chips from "The XBox has more consumers"

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Split hairs much? :P


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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

It's what he does, but he's got a point, Zippy.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Well, that's a shame; us console gamers having to pay for it and all.

Still, While Valve obviously can't release it through a patch, if they wanted gamers to have it for free, they could copy what Behemoth did when the new Castle Crashers DLC came out some time ago - buy a bunch of codes that would net you the game for free, and give them to folks who want them (IIRC, to get the code, you had to go to the Behemoth forums and type up "behemothlovesme" or something like that... I don't remember exactly).

Obviously, not everyone will be able to get a free code, but it was still pretty cool of them to do that. Valve could do the same if they wanted to.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

My question is that why can't you release the DLC as a "patch?" if you have to charge for it?

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

 

I mean, the Battlefield Bad Company Conquest was free, that wasn't Microsoft. and Microsoft sure is happy to allow you to download and redownload 1 gig demo's and 4 gig games over and over again. Why can't valve just release the DLC in the form of a patch? Patches are pretty big too, I remember Battlefield 2 getting up towards a gig in fixes, I think it's entirely possible for Valve to fit their campaign on a patch.

So my point is, are you really sure it's Microsoft charging for the DLC? Or is it just Valve using Microsoft as a scapegoat for charging the DLC and Microsoft won't say "We'd be happy to!" because then all those XNA developers go like "Why can't our stuff be free?" Also, is 7$ really the cost of bandwith of downloading something? Why can't valve get it down to the lowest number possible if they want to give it for free? 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Well they did advertise it as coming free later on, well before launch. Same for that Crackdown DLC. But then again didn't Valve do something similar? Or did they never mention the "free" aspect before release?

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Microsoft only allow patches if they fix what is already in the game, if it adds new content they reject it. (It's explained a bit more further up the comments.)

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Microsoft has rules set up to prevent those situations. Patches cannot add new content to the game only fix things already in the game. If during Microsofts vetting process for patches they find new content being added, they will reject it.

Microsoft is charging for three reasons:

1. They have to host the file. Valve hosts teh file on the PC.

2. They have to pay for the broadband to deliver the file. Valv pays for the broadband for the PC.

3. They can. Valve can't do anything about this for the 360.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

1 & 2 explains why MS charges so much for demos...

3 is the only answer left.

 

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

"They can" being, of course, the main reason.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

And how is this news? Microsoft been doing this stuff for years.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

When this was last brought up on another site, I claimed PC users don't have to pay because Valve knows they simply wouldn't while 360 users would. I was then called a biased PC fanboy.

Am I wrong to assume this? It seems to me PC-only gamers are the most demanding of the bunch. Those L4D petetions weren't signed via XBL after all.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Microsoft took a look at the number of RROD, noticed that people still kept on buying their shitty hardware and thus came to conculsion that their fans do not mind burning cash, and thus has moved to milk them for everything their worth... true business mentality... MS can abuse their customers and they will just keep on crawling back

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Well said. Sooner or later (And I'm thinking sooner) PC users will be persuaded to stop expecting free DLC and will start paying for it like everyone else.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Not likely. They'll still expect free stuff and will simply use less-than-legal means of acquiring it.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Like they already do.  On another site, somebody actually rationalized pirating Batman: Arkham Asylum because they didn't release a demo for it.  Funny thing was, he did so in a thread about the demo.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

What an idiot. Either pirate or don't, but don't try to freaking JUSTIFY it to anyone.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

If I pirate a game to test it out (if they don't have a demo available), then buy the game if I like it (or mail the company the money if it has Suckurom on it) then I think that is a justifiable reason for piracy. As long as I delete the game if I decide that I don't want to buy it.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

When I pirate a game, it's not to test it out.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Ya but that's YOU... i mean the guy above said he suggested pirated the game because they didn't release a Demo... could it be that he meant to suggest pirating the game so that he could DEMO it? God forbid... fact is, their are some gamers who DO pirate for that reason; to test the game and nothing more.

Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

In this particular case, the pirate was a douche.  As I said, he made such a post in a thread about the demo that he claims didn't exist.  It does exist.  You can get the demo for the PC version of Arkham Asylum almost anywhere on the internet.  I got mine off Steam, but I actually wouldn't recommend it.  The demo took almost an hour to download, but only ten minutes to go through.  I'd recommend getting it from somewhere else with faster download speeds than them, if such a place exists.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

I'm not trying to support THAT guy. If a demo exists, then download that, don't unnecessarily pirate it. I'm just saying that for the games that DON'T have demos, if I wanted to try it out there's no other option. I'm not going to buy a car without test driving it, and the same applies here.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

There is some logic behind this, but I still don't support pirating current gen games. Unless it's Spore, that's a whole different matter.

 

Downloading older games that are harder to find is just fine, but I think it's better to support the people who worked on the game.  Then again, I ain't going to support games that are crap.

 

Anyways, this argument amounts to the same one a guy made about people shouldn't be able to play games if they haven't given the producers/developers.  We were discussing used games fyi.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Okay, but if a dealer wouldn't let you test-drive the car, you'd be arrested and sent to prison for boosting it.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

That douchebag deserves to be hung upside down from a gargoyle, then have the rope cut by a batarang.

 

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

Yes, you are wrong to assume that, because the 7$ charge is down to Microsoft, not Valve.

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Re: Xbox 360 Owners to Pay $7 for L4D DLC that PC Gamers ...

This isn't exactly "new" news. Microsoft's been doing this for years.

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