France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law
France Passes Tough Internet Piracy Law
September 16, 2009
The third time was the charm for French President Nicolas Sarkozy, as the French parliament has passed a law targeting Internet pirates in that European country.
Dubbed the “Hadopi” law, for the government agency that will monitor the Internet for piracy, the law will warn suspected pirates twice, first by email, then by physical delivery, before giving a judge the right to cut Internet access and issue fines and/or prison terms.
According to The Mail Online, the law is expected to begin being enforced before the end of the year.
In a battle of French celebrities, French First Lady Carla Bruni is apparently a proponent of the law, while sultry French actress Catherine Deneuve was against the law, even going so far as to issue the comment:
This law will punish the average amateur user, while the 'nerds' will find ways around it
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Posted 03/18/10 at 08:04pm
Flamespeak: I never understood why someone should work hard to get a lot of money, just to be punished with more taxes for doing so.
Flamespeak: I never understood why someone should work hard to get a lot of money, just to be punished with more taxes for doing so.
Posted 03/18/10 at 06:44pm
hayabusa75: Isn't the upper class supposed to be footing most of this bill?
hayabusa75: Isn't the upper class supposed to be footing most of this bill?
Posted 03/18/10 at 06:05pm
Austin_Lewis: Of course, that ignores the fact that for the next 4 years, the people will be taxed without 'benefit' from the bill.
Austin_Lewis: Of course, that ignores the fact that for the next 4 years, the people will be taxed without 'benefit' from the bill.
Posted 03/18/10 at 06:04pm
Austin_Lewis: If we go by the CBO's past estimation failures, they're about 300% short on the actual cost.
Austin_Lewis: If we go by the CBO's past estimation failures, they're about 300% short on the actual cost.
Posted 03/18/10 at 05:21pm
ZippyDSMlee: *punt*Roll call, whos on and how are you doing?
ZippyDSMlee: *punt*Roll call, whos on and how are you doing?
Posted 03/18/10 at 12:07pm
JDKJ: No, I did you the favor and said it for you.
JDKJ: No, I did you the favor and said it for you.
Posted 03/18/10 at 12:06pm
Valdearg: What I said was while I may have implied long term accuraccy, and that might have been incorrect, my greater point that the CBO report calculated reduced deficits, expanded coverage, and lower costs is still 100% accurate. :D
Valdearg: What I said was while I may have implied long term accuraccy, and that might have been incorrect, my greater point that the CBO report calculated reduced deficits, expanded coverage, and lower costs is still 100% accurate. :D
Posted 03/18/10 at 12:06pm
Valdearg: Like any good politician, I don't believe I said "I was incorrect." :P
Valdearg: Like any good politician, I don't believe I said "I was incorrect." :P
Posted 03/18/10 at 12:02pm
JDKJ: If you'd said "I was incorrect" 10 shouts ago, I'd have quit twisting your arm to get you see the obvious 10 shouts ago.
JDKJ: If you'd said "I was incorrect" 10 shouts ago, I'd have quit twisting your arm to get you see the obvious 10 shouts ago.
Posted 03/18/10 at 12:00pm
JDKJ: You were they one assuming 100% accuracy. In all caps, no less.
JDKJ: You were they one assuming 100% accuracy. In all caps, no less.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:59am
Valdearg: Yes, my implication that the long term estimates were facts was incorrect, but the short term calculations are absolutely facts, and even the long term estimates are still useful in attempting to determine exactly what will happen with the bill.
Valdearg: Yes, my implication that the long term estimates were facts was incorrect, but the short term calculations are absolutely facts, and even the long term estimates are still useful in attempting to determine exactly what will happen with the bill.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:58am
Valdearg: I do. The Short term costs are actually calculated facts. The long term estimates aren't necessarily 100% accurate, but to assume that they can't possibly be accurate because someone said they might not be 100% accurate is also wrong.
Valdearg: I do. The Short term costs are actually calculated facts. The long term estimates aren't necessarily 100% accurate, but to assume that they can't possibly be accurate because someone said they might not be 100% accurate is also wrong.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:57am
JDKJ: When someone says, "I could be wrong but, as best as I can tell, X," X ain't a fact.
JDKJ: When someone says, "I could be wrong but, as best as I can tell, X," X ain't a fact.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:53am
JDKJ: It's too early in the morning for you to be deaf, blind, and dumb drunk. A "my best guestimate" can't be a fact. Don't you understand the difference between the two?
JDKJ: It's too early in the morning for you to be deaf, blind, and dumb drunk. A "my best guestimate" can't be a fact. Don't you understand the difference between the two?
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:41am
Valdearg: By how much depends on variables that can't necessarily be predicted at this point in time. And yes, those Facts are accurate only so far into the future, but those estimates can certainly be used to support this measure.
Valdearg: By how much depends on variables that can't necessarily be predicted at this point in time. And yes, those Facts are accurate only so far into the future, but those estimates can certainly be used to support this measure.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:40am
Valdearg: And I'm saying, as far as the CBO report goes, the facts that it does put forward are deficit reduction, reducing costs, and expanding costs. Those ARE facts.
Valdearg: And I'm saying, as far as the CBO report goes, the facts that it does put forward are deficit reduction, reducing costs, and expanding costs. Those ARE facts.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:30am
JDKJ: You were the one championing a qualified estimate as an indisputable fact. I'm merely pointing out that it's far from indisputable. So says the estimator.
JDKJ: You were the one championing a qualified estimate as an indisputable fact. I'm merely pointing out that it's far from indisputable. So says the estimator.
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:27am
Valdearg: Or are you only breaking that argument out because the CBO says that this bill is a good thing for our deficit?
Valdearg: Or are you only breaking that argument out because the CBO says that this bill is a good thing for our deficit?
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:27am
JDKJ: The CBO says that, to the extent it is possible to accurately predict defict reduction over the long term, it is likely to reduce the deficit. That's your idea of "a fact that don't lie?"
JDKJ: The CBO says that, to the extent it is possible to accurately predict defict reduction over the long term, it is likely to reduce the deficit. That's your idea of "a fact that don't lie?"
Posted 03/18/10 at 11:26am
Valdearg: Would you be singing the same tune if the CBO came back saying that the bill will likely double the deficit in 20 years??
Valdearg: Would you be singing the same tune if the CBO came back saying that the bill will likely double the deficit in 20 years??
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Whaddya know, actresses CAN say smart things outside of their acting roles.
Although I'm not in agreement on the term 'nerd'.
Monitoring services can identify when P2P traffic is going through a modem, but basic stuff like changing the modem MAC address (which is most likely against the ISP's TOS),transport encryption and proxies make it almost impossible to identify the nature of the data. P2P protocols have legal uses, so unless it can be proven the data is illegal in nature, It probably wouldn't be admissible. In a US court, anyway.
I use P2P for legal stuff like albums from OCremix.
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Or grabbing your favorite version of Linux :D
~Weatherlight~
Or downloading that latest Wow Patch they use bittorrent as does many other MMOs now.
Awesome, one more step away from internet neutrality.
Now we don't lose privacy only for the sake of security, but we also lose privacy to protect big corporations money.
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My college can't even police its 1300 students well enough to stop piracy. How can a country with 65 million people expect to monitor their online activities? As Dan said above, P2P has legal uses, so they can't just slap everyone who uses bittorrent with a fine, and they're going to have one helluva time figuring out who's doing what from public access points or on unencrypted networks. Hooray for threatening innocent people with legal action!
Good luck trying to enforce this law, no way you can stop online piracy. Just ask the RIAA.
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It's France. They can't even enforce the sovereignty of their borders, I doubt they'd be able to enforce anything involving the internet.
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He was dead when I got here.
I thought France already struck this law down as unconstitutional?
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/three-strikes-dead-in-france
... LETS INVADE FRANCE WE CANT LOSE
but seriosly this law cant last long right? its only a matter of time before its struck down
Bloody Carla Bruni... we smashed your Morris Marina! Dropped a piano on it! How about that, eh?
Also known as "Lex Vivendi". And, yes, it seems as if the same kind of corruption that has befallen the US, UK, Germany and Italy has finally consumed France as well.
ZAR.
Actually, this law is "HADOPI 2", a modified version of the previous "Hadopi" bill which was ruled unconstitutional.
For information, HADOPI means : "Haute autorité pour la diffusion des œuvres et la protection des droits sur Internet" (you can translate it by : "High Authority for artwork circulation and copyright protection on the Internet"). The HADOPI law aims at creating an "independent" organization that will judge, among the complaints sent to it, who is a pirate and who is not.
Now, I have deeper respect for Catherine Deneuve, who used to be a great actress, than for Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, who is, to me, as much an embarrassment as her President husband.
It got shot down once it will get shot down again....
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! Stop supporting big media and furthering the criminalization of consumers!! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/
"In a battle of French celebrities, French First Lady Carla Bruni is apparently...."
If you dont know who she is, see her here, on youtube. I cant embed it :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8v4reUXkMs
You'l need a youtube account.
I find it funny that people say that there is no way to watch this. Yes you can get around it, but a surprisingly large amount of people aren't smart enough to. The internet company I go through monitors downloading (guess what cause it goes through their system they can see every file you pull off the net by name and it doesn't just so IP address, it shows physical address as well). They routinly send out cease and decist letters and shut off people's internet access for illegal downloads. THey've even turned in customers to the RIAA for it.
The technology is there, just very few companies have chosen to use it. If you think you can hide what you're doing from the people giving you access you're terribly mistaken.
EDIT: Sorry abotu all the typos, it's been a long ass day and I'm tired.
Well obviously your ISP can see pretty much everything you do, but that is quite different from some government backed agency.
Also I have to ask, why are you using an ISP that does such things? They've obviously folded to the pressure from the media companies and the RIAA. A fair amount of ISP's don't look at all at what you're using it for and try their very best to not disclose any information on their customers. I've received a couple copyright complaints over the years but not from the ISP. They are all forwarded from the company and Telus does not disclose your identity or any other information about you.
Frankly, I would bail from any company that engages in that kind of behavior. Who knows who else they're giving your information to?