Computerworld speculates that the raging battle over health-care reform taking place in the United States Congress could push out any technology-related bills until 2010.
Some of the bills scheduled to be addressed this year that could be delayed to 2010 include:
• The Cybersecurity Act – A bill introduced by Senators Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Olympia Snowe (R-ME) that would allow the President to cut off or limit Internet traffic during cyber emergencies. A sticking point of this bill is that the President’s power over private networks is still undefined.
• Data-Breach Notification – These proposed bills would require companies or government agencies that suffer a cyber-related breach of security to notify people affected. As 45 states already have breach notification laws, some experts are questioning the need for a national one.
• Internet Freedom Preservation Act – A bill introduced by Representative Ed Markley (D-MA) that seeks to require the Federal Communications Commission to create net neutrality rules. The bill notes that, “The national economy would be severely harmed if the ability of Internet content, service, and application providers to reach consumers was frustrated by interference from broadband telecommunications network operators.”
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Re: Remaining ’09 Congress Slate Dominated by Health Care ...
I would rather the healthcare debate and possibly the net neutrality debate be happening instead of old men trying to legislate what they fear.
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Yeah I rather have then get a good health care out then worry about internet stuff.
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Ah, you I recognize your tactic. Instead of actually responding you are using Rule 5 in which our President taught as a college professor, Saul Alinsky’s “Rules of Radicals.”
Rule 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
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I'm pretty sure even Austin_Lewis thinks you're insane.
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Ridicule?! Not at all. I'm merely stating what appears to be a clear factual possibility.
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As for the person who said they do not got the votes and this Health Care bill will not happen, you are correct and incorrect. The Liberal Democratic Leadership threatened to use a Budget bill passer which allows you only to need a few votes for a bill to pass called, “Reconciliation.”
If the Democratic Party of the Liberal Democratic Leadership used Reconciliation the next couple elections I doubt the majority of people would dare vote for them. Right now the Democratic Party is a Super Majority it has so much members in the Congress Republicans cannot filibuster them but the problem is the members of the Democratic Party in the Senate and House who are moderates or who stands up for principles the Democratic Party and ignores the Saul Alinsky left which sadly hijacked control of the Democratic Party Leadership.
So for the progressive left in the Senate who wants this bill as it is and to threaten to us Reconciliation because not even members of the Democratic Party is willing to fall on their sword for the progressives left in the Senate. There are good Democrats and those who want fairness but it’s sad that their party has been hijacked by the left, by those who dislike their country and want to fundamentally change our country. We have plenty of Democrats who are willing to stand against the tide and who love their country and believe yes we need work but no we do not need to be a Socialist Republic!
@Valdearg
I am crazy because these are what Obama’s Czars have wrote? All are radical progressives in the extreme left. People though Van Jones was bad? He has way worse and the President instead of explaining his czars views just let one go which does not answer our questions is why Obama surroundings himself by radicals.
-Either he doesn’t know, and seriously needs help since he has so much radicals with views that wouldn’t pass a Senate confirmation.
-Or he does know and is preparing the way for a new Government in which Obama has promised us that he would fundamentally change our country.
-Or he is clueless.
It’s like the Reverend Wright excuse, each and every day after leaving church I can see him saying, 'Well, nice sermon Reverend sadly though I cannot remember anything you have said'….Come on!
Someone used an Obama quote in which Obama told us, “If you want to know where I stand, look at the people I surround myself with." I am only taking our President by his word there and his radical czars who are all un-appointed I take huge issues.
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I am crazy because these are what Obama’s Czars have wrote?
Probably not. More likely because of a chemical imbalance in your brain.
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The new editor pwns
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What sort of payoff are you getting here?
These are the only comments you've ever made that I can see. Yes, he's done a good job so far and I'm quite happy with the articles but it's not like Dennis was a pile of shit and Pete is blowing him out of the water or something.
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And the adoration started as soon as the first article (i.e., no more than one article) was posted.
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I just think the articles are really good. I've posted plenty of times before the new editor, I've been here for years. GP was cool before but the new editor brings a sense of professionalism it didn't have before. Before it seemed like it was done by some random blogger on the internet. Now it seems more like if CNN had a game politics page.
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Don't you think that it was a bit premature on your part to draw the conclusion that GamePolitics had significantly improved after only one article?
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Is someone paying you to jump up and down and wave those pom-poms? What's next? Gimme a "P!" Gimme an "E!" Gimme a "T!" etc., etc?
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I for some reason can't acsess a copy of the bill (stupid Macs), what exactly would constitute an emergency that would let the president shut off internet acsess.
I'm reminded of Iran shutting down Internet after their elections.
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Whatever the president wants it to be. To be honest, I doubt this power would ever even be excecised, but it's vauge shit like this that will keep it from being passed. Not that it should be passed. I can't think of a single situation where it would be necessary, other than ones involvin COBRA or aliens, but that's exactly why we have GI Joe and space marines.
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Re: Remaining ’09 Congress Slate Dominated by Health Care ...
They leave defining an emergency VERY broad. So, you know, insulting him or running those videos exposing ACORN as a bunch of tax cheats could be an 'emergency'.
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No kidding.
Giving any president the power to shut down all internet, cell phone, telephone, etc traffic for some vaguely defined 'emergency' (during, say, an election) is a wonderful idea. (The bill gives the president power over all forms of telecommunications, not just the internet).
I'm sure there are many in our government who believe so, anyway.
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Deez nuts! LOL! Boy, you stepped right into that one. Thanks. That's been good for frequent chuckles all day since.
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They had damn well better be debating healthcare, given the current situation. Even moreso, they had damn well finish it before the end of this year, given how many Americans are without adequate coverage. In all reality, I kind of hope all of this tech crap gets pushed out of the way to make way for what truly needs to happen for this country, like Health Care For All, Gay Rights, and winning the war in Afghanistan, among other things.
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But I like that last one...
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
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I think we can all agree that health care for all is desirable; too bad no one can agree on the methodology. I don't see this getting done soon, no matter what Baucus says.
"De minimus non curat lex"
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Baucus is an idiot. His bill has no chance, its got no support from the right because they are opposed to any health care reform that doesn't further line the pockets of the insurance companies, and its got no support from the left because it's got no public option. That bill is going nowhere, and he's got to come to the realization that he needs to jump on board with the rest of the Democratic caucus and vote the way that America needs.
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Or who is going to foot the bill to cover the foretold 46 million currently uninsured (if they dont have insurance... well maybe there is a reason). Controlling prices by draconion methods is not a good thing methinks.
Yep yep we need more arguement on this and other related issues while the people slowly but surely love thier faith in this goverment and hense govermental control.
Mind you I expect to get slapped down by those that seem to have sold their soul to Obama. Me, I tend to look at the lessons of history.
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Yep, the spending habits of the US on health care right now are certainly keeping you on the low end in terms of per capita spending.
http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/images/figure-1.gif
O wait, maybe not. But in all seriousness, socialized healthcare has been demonized to such a ridiculous extent in the US. It works in many other countries, you simply have to take a look at how these other countries are doing it, and modify the plan so that it works for the US.
The main problem is that the extremist hate for Obama (along with the loud voices of those extremists) has made it so that many people simply disregard any plans proposed from his party and carry around signs depicting him as Hitler. I'm not saying that socialized healthcare is a magic bullet, but I really do think it is a far better solution for the majority of the American population than how it is right now.
Edit: Sorry, I thought that link included the information in the image. It's per capita spending with data taken from 2003.
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First, while socialized health care may work in other countries, these countries don't have the same number of people living in them, so the costs to the government are smaller. That, combined with the fact that the citizens of those countries are taxed at a higher rate than those in America are, means that it cannot be paid for by the United States, not without raising taxes to a level that nobody in this country would be willing to pay, especially for a goal of insuring only about 5 percent of our population. Adapting any sort of socialized health care system in America wouldn't be a simple "cut-and-paste" affair as you propose.
Also, "extremist hate" is not the only thing keeping this from passing. It's the fact that our nation can't afford it, combined with the fact that our economy is in shambles, combined with the fact that Barrack Obama never outlined how he wanted this to work, combined with the fact that our government can't run anything effectively. The speech that Barrack Obama gave last week would have been much more effective if he gave it three months ago. Instead, he let Congress craft it's own plans, which contain many things that scare people, and rightfully so in my opinion. According to the House bill, if the HHS Secretary says your stay in the hospital could have been prevented, it won't be covered. Possible scenario: A diabetic forgets his meds when going out of town and falls into a coma. This is preventable, so the trip to the hospital is not covered. Is such a situation likely? I doubt it, but that's too much power over my life to trust to our federal government.
Also, look at Social Security. I consider SS a worthwhile venture, but it's going to die at the age of 70. It is on the verge of insolvency. Most experts say it will be insolvent within twenty years, a few say it will be in as little as three. The waits at the Post Office are horrible. Between CARB and the UAW, our car companies were destroyed.
Finally, I'll address your last two points. First, the majority of America like their health care the way it is. The ideas brought about by Congress and the President are a means to insure the last few people in America that are without it. A noble venture, but the Democrats themselves can't even agree on how to do it, so how are we supposed to believe that what they force on us is the right answer? Also, as far as the Hitler signs are concerned, (and I'll bring Wilson in this, too), when I hear Libs take back everything that they've said about Bush, I'll be among the first people to condmemn them. Until then, I think libs should shut up about it, because they have no leg to stand on.
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I feel I should point out that it's rather silly to not condemn someone comparing the president to Hitler just because you didn't like some of the insults to 'your' president. Fyi, I'm canadian and I'm still blown away by the loyalty that americans have to their political party of choice. There's this ongoing huge feud between conservative supporters and liberal supporters and I'm always just like 'wut'. I feel that this is a massive problem with the american political system. Obviously there's debate between the supporters of different parties but nothing even close to the level seen in the US.
Also, I didn't propose a cut and paste. I simply think it's worth looking at different implementations because I believe that many people would agree that there needs to be a healthcare reform of some sort.
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I love that people will put their faith in the Federal Government for health care, when all other federal social programs are on their way to bankruptcy. Do we, as Americans, really want to ignore the history of failed government programs? I don't.
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I believe the idea is that we will all foot the bill, at least that's the impression I get from the fact that Baucus's bill institutes mandatory health coverage. It spreads the cost around.
"De minimus non curat lex"
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Oh wow, I am surprised Game Politics has not posted a Republican Flash games of those evil doers who do not support the Presidents Grand Plans!
Yeah those other laws are very scary and with Obama’s unappointed Czars who do as they please have radical views such as forced abortions, giving pets attorneys to sue there owners and the one Czar who wrote we should put sterilants in the water so we as Americans can’t breed and it forces other minorties and developing countries to breed and advance over us. Do you think they should have the power to control the Internet?
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You are a fucking idiot
There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
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"...the one Czar who wrote we should put sterilants in the water so we as Americans can’t breed and it forces other minorties and developing countries to breed and advance over us."
Okay, there are a couple of options here:
1. You're right and someone with no sense at all appointed a complete maniac.
2. You're wrong, confused and a nutter.
I don't think anyone - even the most extreme folks actually in government - would ever appoint someone who advocated sterilizing the US population and replacing it with foreigners. So there's only one reasonable conclusion.
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Obama's Science Czar John Holdren's 1977 book Ecoscience explains
Page 786
"One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society. "
Page 837
"Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."
Page 787-8
"Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock. "
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"Involuntary fertility control
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A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.
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The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births. "
Nutter huh?
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Nutter or ignorant. Take your pick. Either way, the same outcome prevails.
You can't possibly, if you are of sound mind and not a complete moron, take the words you yourself have quoted and use them to support the conclusion that "[Holdren] wrote we should put sterilants in the water so we as Americans can’t breed and it forces other minorties and developing countries to breed and advance over us." Holdren actually suggests that such a idea is politically, socially, legally, and technically a near impossibility. In fact, Holdren readily acknowledges that, at the time of his writing, NO SUCH STERILANT EXISTED AND NONE WAS BEING DEVELOPED!! How can he be suggesting that a sterilant which doesn't even exist be put in anybody's water?!
Again, nuts or retarded, take your own pick. But one of them must be able able to explain why you keep coming up with crazy, retarded shit.
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Not only that, but if you read the book (I haven't, I'm going off of someone who says they have), these ideas are not Holdren originals. As I understand it, he's discussing someone else's ideas.
Andrew Eisen
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He's discussing another person's ideas, but he is advocating them as a serious political agenda. Just because of how stupid the ideas are, they have no chance of becoming law any time soon, so I disagree with the paranoia behind the words, but what does it say about a President who has this man, who has advocated nationwide forced abortion and sterilization, in a position of power in the White House?
(I use the phrase "position of power" loosely, as the actual amount of power these "Czars" weild has never been established. This guy could very well be some douchebag who writes letters to the President, and doesn't really do anything. It is just as likely that this guy is actively writing policy, which is a likelyhood that should scare a lot of people.)
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Again i post
We are talking about a SCIENTIST! It's part of his job to question the possibilities of the future, do his best to foresee problems in the future and figure out methods ahead of time to avoid such problems. He's supposed to question the world... i should ask you what should we do when the world faces over population adn that methods like "self_control" have failed? should we just allow over population to happen? Should we allow millions to be born homesless and jobless, allow mass starvations, and wars over resources that are growing ever more scarce? We do nothing and there will be suffering... When it comes down to it, Scientist are most concerned with maintaining our survival.
Now show me where Holdren campaigned to make these ideas a reality; show me where he talked to politicians to make these things happen; show me where he staged rallies conveying the need to embrace this kind of population control...
Ofcourse he didn't... and why? because over population was not an immenient threat... there was still time to study the issue, time to create better theories, and time for humans to solve the issue themselves... He's a scientist, he's supposed to create theories, thats his job... the last thing anyone wants to hear from a scientist when a theat comes upon us is "we don't know what to do"... frankly, when we face a world crisis i would hope we have an actual answer
And as time goes on the world changes, more studies are done, we gather more information and the respected theories of scientist CHANGE. One day a scientist is saying the sun revolves around the earth, the next day he makes a discover and claims the earth revolves around the sun. So if you want to say Holdren avocates such ideas please show me something he's written THIS century... when talking about what stance a scientist holds it's best to stick to their most UP TO DATE theories, instead of what they talked about 40 years ago, as they may consider such theories to be completely obsolete... unlike most hard headed politicians scientist change their positions with every new bit of information they get
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When you can manage to spell likelihood correctly, then I'll be scared.
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Because you've never accidentally misspelled a word?
Dick.
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No, because this is like the third time you've used "likelyhood" for "likelihood." And don't deny it. I'll go back in the archives, find each and every instance, and post them here for your reading pleasure.
Non-spelling-ass Bonobo monkey.
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Discussion does not equal advocation. Nothing I've seen would seem to indicate Holdren advocated those options either decades ago when the multi-author book was published or today.
Andrew Eisen
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He wrote the book advocating such. That's why he wrote the book.
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Again, I haven't read the book but from what I've seen (direct quotes from the book, commentary on the book, etc.), he wasn't advocating population control via sterilization.
Andrew Eisen
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I could just say that "he stated he would not apporve of such gov't population control methods during his confirmation hearings" and leave it at that... but i imagine believing the word of anyone remotely close to Obama would be beyond you.
Looking him up, back in the 70's the issue of overpopulation was a concern. In otherwords these quotes sound like they were methods to deal with the possible over population of the country or the world instelf... What Holdren seems to be talking about is SCIENTIFIC THEORY... theories that he came up with 40 years ago and thus could be out of date; not to mention that theories can change when better solutions are found
"John Holdren: I no longer think it's productive, Senator, to focus on the optimum population of the United States. I don't think any of us know what the right answer is. When I wrote those lines in 1973, uh, I was preoccupied with the fact that many problems the United States faced appeared to be being made more difficult by the greater population growth that then prevailed. I think everyone who studies these matters understands that population growth brings some benefits and some liabilities; it's a tough question to determine which will prevail in a given time period."
Tell me, what would YOU suggest we do in the event of over population when we have squander all avaible living space, when we are in danger of having thousands or millions of people living on the streets due to a lack of homes and jobs; shall we allow allowing thousands to be born homeless? What about when farms become unable to provide enough food to satisfy the overpopulation and thus leaving to many starving, do you think we should do nothing and allow mass starvations? And what of resources which dry out due to overuse, shall we go to war just to satisfy our standard way of living and our needs?
Sciencetists ask these question everyday, trying to find solutions to possible world wide crisises. They are preparing for the future. They come up with theories that will not seriously be considered until the possible world crisis is getting ready to occur. And the fact about science is that it priortizes our SURVIVAL before everything else, as scientists are not willing to allow the human race to die out. And that's what Holden is, a Scientist... the only thing that would make those THEORIES "nuts" is if he actually chose to impliment them in this day and age before they are actually needed... right now, we can try to influence people to make proper choices to curve future issues (pushing for fewer births, advertising adoption, keeping abortion an option); there is also still time to come up with new thoeires and possible solutions that are more favorable... however if nothing is done, then drastic measures might be needed unless you want to see the suffering and death of millions... unfortunatly when it comes down to it, humans have a tendacy to think only of themselves and thus would not willingly make the sacrifices needed to keep the race alive and well and thus would sooner contribute to the problem rather then help solve it.
Come back when Holdren annouces that he is working on making those theories a reality in the very near future... finding something he's written THIS century might be a nice place to start at least; kinda best to discuss science that is UP TO DATE instead of old thories...
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"Come back when Holdren annouces that he is working on making those theories a reality in the very near future... finding something he's written THIS century might be a nice place to start at least; kinda best to discuss science that is UP TO DATE instead of old thories..."
I love this line. It says everything that needs to be said about the Holdren "controversy".
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It hadn't crossed my mind until now. Thanks for making me realize all the god-awful pseudo-games used for a political message will probably stop being posted as articles now.
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What brand of koolaid do you drink, you know, so I can avoid it.
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@Andrew Eisen:
Can you do me a big favor? Hook up your bablefish to your Dictaphone and translate the Kefka-speak term "we as Americans" in the sentence: [O]ne Czar . . . wrote we should put sterilants in the water so we as Americans can’t breed and it forces other minorties and developing countries to breed and advance over us." If you can figure out exactly who comprises the class of "we as Americans," I'd appreciate you sharing that insight with me.
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"Anyone living in the continental United States with access to a municipal water supply."
My bablefish then gave me the finger and said, "Why don't you just make me listen to Vogon poetry if you're so bent on torturing me."
Andrew Eisen
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Thanks, but I went out and bought my own bablefish and Dictaphone (you were taking too long) and the results I got were: the Americans who don't look like a minority or the dark-skinned people of developing countries.
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Actually, I sometimes feel that rendering certain individuals incapable of reproducing isn't all that bad of an idea...
"De minimus non curat lex"