One Year Ago Today

September 25, 2009 -

He made us laugh. He made us cry. He made us angry. He made us scratch our heads.

Whatever you think of him, Jack Thompson certainly had an impact on the videogame industry and definitely helped to rally gamers together, even if, by and large, they rallied to oppose him.

Today marks the one-year anniversary of Thompson’s disbarment. While being disbarred has not resulted in Thompson disappearing, it has taken away something from the vociferous one. Maybe it just made him easier to ignore or dismiss.

Earlier this week we received an email from Thompson stating that he was returning to practice law. Frankly we didn’t know whether to run it or not, but today seems as good a day as any to post it. We did ask a few members of the legal community to eyeball his stance, and while we won’t get into specifics, the response was that Thompson doesn’t really have a leg to stand on.

Thompson’s full email is after the jump.

Happy Anniversary.

 

Immediate News Release – Sept. 19, 2009
 
Miamian Jack Thompson Set to Return to Practice of Law
 
On September 25, 2008, the Florida Supreme Court entered an order permanently disbarring Miamian Jack Thompson from the practice of law.  Thompson had been a continuous member in good standing of The Florida Bar for 31 years. 
 
He was “disbarred” by virtue of Bar complaints instigated by the broadcasters of the Howard Stern Show, against whom Thompson had secured $4 million in FCC decency fines, and by Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., in retribution for Thompson’s appearance on CBS’ 60 Minutes to expose its sale of the cop-killing murder simulator Grand Theft Auto video games that had caused the deaths of scores of individuals, including three Alabama policemen whose families Thompson represented.
 
Thompson has just discovered that all of the court orders that resulted in his “disbarment” are void ab initio—legal nullities from the outset and thus of no force and effect.  The Florida Supreme Court, in violation of the laws of Florida assigned to Thompson’s case a referee from Florida’s Eleventh Judicial Circuit, rather than from the state’s Second Judicial Circuit, where he would have received a fair trial.  Bar counsel hid this fatal defect not only from Thompson but from the Florida Supreme Court as well. 
 
What this means is that Thompson literally was never disbarred.  See the mountain of case authority on the consequence of orders that are void ab initio, including Elliott v. Lessee of Piersol, 26 U.S. 328  (1828) and Vallely v. Northern Fire & Marine Ins. Co., 254 U.S. 348 (1920).  This has been the law in this country for more than 180 years.
 
Thompson intends to resume the practice of law as a member of The Florida Bar on October 1, 2009. He has invited, this day, Mary Ellen Bateman, who prosecutes the “unlicensed practice of law” for The Florida Bar, to get a court order to stop him.  Unless she acts, he’s back in business, and the children of this country will have returned to them the lawyerly labors of a man who a) secured the first FCC decency fines in the history of this country, b) the first verdict in world history that a sound recording was obscene, c) forced Time Warner to pull from stores worldwide Ice-T’s “Cop Killer,” d) and forced Take-Two, along with Senator Hillary Clinton to recall all copies worldwide of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, which cost Take-Two tens of millions of dollars.
 
Florida Supreme Court Justices Polston and Canady recently wrote:  “Is it too much to ask that The Florida Bar obey its own Rules?”  Apparently it is too much to ask.  When government breaks the laws, there is no law.

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Re: One Year Ago Today

Oh, many epic lulz are going to happen in the future.

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Already a year.  Gods below where has the time gone?  I can still remember jackies daily rants here (well not here, 2 sites ago) and now we have going to celebrate the aniversary of his disbarment. Its kind of harsh to celebrates such a thing I know but jackie deserves that little something extra. 

As for his returning to law.  Doubtful.  Note however that he quickly reverted to type:

Thompson intends to resume the practice of law as a member of The Florida Bar on October 1, 2009. He has invited, this day, Mary Ellen Bateman, who prosecutes the “unlicensed practice of law” for The Florida Bar, to get a court order to stop him.

Which was typical of a threat of his from days gone by.  (you have until x time or x date then I will do this blah blah).

Somehow though I doubt he will be able to bring us the humor that he used to. 

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We can still celebrate his disbarrment. I personally am about to go climb the tallest building in town (3 stories, small town aint it) and throw a bunch "have you seen my bar membership card" flyers to the wind.

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This is what he does Icehawk. He knows that if he words it like that, the Bar will not preemptively initiate any court orders to stop him (it doesn't need to. He is barred from the practice.) So, then he can point out and say "Look! They didn't stop me!"

-- Dan "SWATJester" Rosenthal; Executive Director, http://www.gameslaw.net

-- Dan Rosenthal

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If Thompson really wanted to get his law license back, he should start by actually acknowledging he did something wrong.

Now, just to prove... again... that he's a lying sack of scum, let's go over his 4 points:

a) I quick google serach found me a list of FCC Indecency Fines (unless he's claiming he got the FCC to fine people for being decent).  The first fine on the list is a 1970 case involving the Grateful Dead.  There might be earlier ones not on the list, I'm not sure, but regardless, that's 9 years before Howard Stern got his first show.

b) This one was harder to verify, but considering there have been laws about swearing and foul language for longer than sound recording has existed, this is probably a technicality at best.

c) Did a wikipedia search on this one.  Lot's of names mentioned (including then president George Bush, sr.) but not Jack Thompson's.  Sounds like most of the credit goes to an organization called CLEAT.

d) The moment it came out that "Hot Coffee" was not user-made content, the proceedings were inevitable.  Take-Two would probably have recalled the game even without the ESRB's threat to re-rate it.  And despite Jack's delusions, the ESRB didn't need anybody leaning on them to do that.


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60 minutes bullshit has been proven wrong by a site visitor who purchased transcripts of both things Jack always brags about. Granted, he isn't allowed to show the transcripts, but Jack never backed up his claim either.

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That was me and anyone who doesn't believe my summary of the transcripts' contents can purchase them themselves.  I'd love to post them and back up my claims but I legally can't.  Sorry about that.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: One Year Ago Today

How much cost those transcripts?

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Re: One Year Ago Today

Thank you!

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Re: One Year Ago Today

I would like to ask for this anniversary that Jack´s ban on GP should be halted just for today so we can get some laughs from him.

Seriously, Jack. Your threats are empty as always. "Cop Killer" and "60 minutes" again? Get over it, that thing has like 10 years old or more, and only idiots keep counting old triumphs as they still mean something today.

You fail at life. Hardcore Fail.

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Re: One Year Ago Today

One year ago on this day I was sitting with my tutor when we saw him getting disbarred on here. It was a few days after he had tried to file a lawsuit against me (for giving him my opinion in a non threating, non offending manner. You guys remeber that right?)

Today I was sitting down with the same tutor and working on a eassay when we saw this article. That brought out a good laugh for both of us.

@ John Bruce

If you're still here, Jack, reading these, than I hope your reading this comment. You got what you deserved especially after the hell you put me through.

 

 

Re: One Year Ago Today

I don't remember that one, if you don't mind could you remind me what happened?

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Re: One Year Ago Today

I believe Jack mistook him for EZK and sent several threats to him and his school or something like that.

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Bingo

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Good, I want hi mto try it, it'll land his ass in pison for fraud, which is long overdue.

Also, there was NEVER a recall on Vice City, and one can still get ahold of copies of Cop Killer. I listened to the song not long ago for free on the internet.

In short, he's NEVER won a case and never will. Howard Stern is still o nthe air, Cop Killer is avaialble t oany who want to sample it, and Take Two can continue to produce games unhindered. It's over for him.

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So his plan is to simply start practicing law again? Wow, can you say "Criminal Impersonation of a Lawyer?"

Newsflash Jack, you need to actually make an appeal and "conspiracy" tends to not be a valid grounds.

Go ahead Jack, open up an office. You'll do great in jail.

Re: One Year Ago Today

The courts won't take his filings any more, so he can't appeal. The only way he can get another day in court is to cause the other side to initiate legal proceedings: hence the taunting of the prosecutor.

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Does he not need to find a paying customer first?

Knowing JT, he will sit behind a desk with 'lawyer' scrawled on it, twiddle his thumbs for a few weeks, then declare victory.

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Considering Mr. Thompson often made personal attacks on Dennis' integrity, yet still left him on the mailing list for his "press releases", I wonder what his relationship with the new editor guy will be like.

------ Ago. Perceptum. Teneo.

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Given that this is the first story that he ran about Jack "not a lawyer" Thompson, you can bet the little slimeball is going to start the harrassment.  He's probably writing the first salvo of "you're going to jail because I called the FBI" emails right now.

Re: One Year Ago Today

Took the words right out of my mouth.

People like Dennis and the rest of you site users that i praise for sticking to your guns and dealing with childish idiots like him in a mature & responsible manner.

I envy ya for that and im doing my best to do the same.

Magic Taco

Re: One Year Ago Today

I dealt with Jack years ago and actually found him to be relatively pleasant. But that was a long time ago.

Que sera sera,

Pete

Re: One Year Ago Today

 Oh dear, you really are in for some fun then... you get to see what Jack is like on the internet, when he thinks no one important is paying attention to him and thus holds nothing back... granted, not sure when that will be as jack doesn't make it much into the news anymore

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That matches the general view I have heard from people who have interacted with him when they are NOT in his 'evil' spotlight.  Destructiod had a pretty good writeup about it a while back.

I have gathered that as long as he has not marked the person a sinner or fighting for the wrong side in his holy war, he can be a pretty pleasent person to interact with.  But once one is 'the enemy' anything goes.

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I consider his "angry mode"  a defense mechanism of sorts, especially if it does deal with topics of sin and holiness. These kinds of people only how to play the righteousness game with the group of people that can be easily convinced/turned over with faith. Jacko is a sore loser because he hasn't developed a strategy to play the game with people that don't fit into that group.

From what I've heard of other people's experiences you can have a normally friendly co-worker completely turn against you at the drop of a hat when you tell her that you are an atheist. If you tell them that you cannot rationally accept their moral philosophy, to them it reads "your whole life is a lie". 

You didn't actually say that, and probably do not mean that, but it's what they hear in their head. Maybe they didn't expect to get that kind of response from you. They lose it if they don't have good plan to deal with this situtation.

 

Zero Dominance

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And as evidenced by the testimony of what he did the an ENTIRE law firm, he will go to any length to cause his opponent to have a breakdown. I think he does it so he can argue that his opponents aren't being subjective, arguing with emotions and not facts.

Re: One Year Ago Today

Really Petey?

Cause theres going to probably be that one day were he'll love to stab you in the back to serve his selfish agenda,insult you, spit in your face & all that jazz all in the name of his "crusade."

 

But it was nice taking to you.

  

Magic Taco

Re: One Year Ago Today

As he showed at SGC, Jack can be polite, and even charming when he wishes. (Of course, he was being paid to make that appearance). It goes without saying, if he showed as much restraint during, and running up to his disbarment trial, things might have gone better for him.

------ Ago. Perceptum. Teneo.

Re: One Year Ago Today

Out of my opinon(just based on my opinon,no one has to actually agree or disagree);Jack only gives a shit about money and money only. 

Magic Taco

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Unfortunately I think he honestly thinks he is doing the right thing and not for profit. If he was just after money he would have been calmer and more reserved in his attacks.

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It's easier to not care about money when your wife pays for everything.

"De minimus non curat lex"

"De minimus non curat lex"

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That and he probably would've quit his crusade and found another racket a while ago if he really was just in it for money since he hasn't won a case. Oh and do they pay people who help craft laws (that aren't working for the government)? If they don't then that's a pretty good sign he's not in it for money.

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Re: One Year Ago Today

I think he is just crazy and he just do it because his oversized ego. He doesn´t believe in anything except himself and he will try to squash anybody who stands in front of him... and fail trying.

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Re: One Year Ago Today

It looks like someone is going to jail...

Re: One Year Ago Today

Guinness and onion rings for everybody!

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Re: One Year Ago Today

I'm too young to drink, you got any soda?

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Re: One Year Ago Today

I can't stand guinness. Could I have schnapps instead.

Re: One Year Ago Today

I want Crown Royal.

Re: One Year Ago Today

If he gets it back...I hope the world gets to see you for what you really are.

 

One part of me wants thompson to get back on this site.

No real "man of god " would post irrelevant documents(such as those "press releases"),racist comments,degretory language,threaten others love ones or throw immaturish,childish behavior such as insulting gamer dad and gaming lawyer MM or at other site users.

 

 

Magic Taco

Re: One Year Ago Today

The vast majority of the "men of god" I have know have been wife-beaters, adulterers, racists, gay-haters (every single one I've met), sexually flawed (pedophiles, porn-addicted), or just plain stupid (creationists).  Jack is actually more of the rule than the exception of a devout god-fearing man. 

Re: One Year Ago Today

Nearly every "man of god" i've known were damn good people...

granted, where i grew up, i heard very little of crime as well and never even witnessed much of any bullying in school (and it was a big district)... so maybe it's just where you lived

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Most 'man of god' people who are actually good people do not go around calling themselves 'man of god'.

I think that is part of the point.  The people who wear their godliness on their sleeves like JT do are rarely good people.  This is separate from people who are simply devout Christians.

I was going to write a long paragraph at how religious communities in the US tend to burry crime or shame victims into not making them look bad.. but not sure it would have been worth it. the short answer... low crime visibility is not always a good sign, esp in religious communities that have strong concepts of good, evil, and shame.

Re: One Year Ago Today

Where the hell did you grow up, Stepford?

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i grew up in central Long island... east of queens, but west of the rich part... not saying there wasn't any crime or bullying, but i can say i did not witness or hear much of it myself... granted, got some verbal taunting in elementary school, though by middle school that was over with.

And i'm not sure if having a big school district helps are hurts the point... afterall, no way you can keep track of what's going on in every other part of the school when it's huge... never ever being in the wrong place at the wrong time and all that... though i do recall the security at our school seemed somewhat relaxed during the day; usually older guys that didn't seem like they could do much (though their were younger guards for when school was out)

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For the last time, DarkSaber, there are good Christians out there.  Most Christians are good people, and some of the best people I've ever met are Christians (I've met pastors and deans who, if you told them you were gay, would just say "good for you" and not judge you for an instant).  You just don't notice this, because being good Christians, they practice some degree of humility, and are therefore much quieter than the bad Christians trying to shove their beliefs down everybody's throats.

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While you and I know that there ARE individuals of varying specific beliefs within both the religious and non-religious communities, let us not forget that:

Those winning the votes on various issues such as the Rights of individuals based on sexuality, and other such issues, are claiming that THEY are the "majority" because Christians, as a whole are a "majority" and, therefore, everyone who is Christian believes exactly what they believe.  In other words, if the "bad" Christians win at something that you don't agree with, you've had your vote hijacked so that they could represent the whole of the Christian community as agreeing with their stance.

If, however, and this is the sticky point, the "bad" Christians are winning these various votes over everyone else (whether they are the "good" Christians or other religious or non-religious groups), then where IS that bit of most Christians are "good" really at?  Because, if most Christians ARE good, why aren't they winning those votes on the various issues that the "bad" Christians winning?

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Re: One Year Ago Today

Unfortunately, Beacon, DS is right, with regards to self proported "Men Of God." The ones who claim to be, and who are the quickest to affirm thier faith in God when presented with a conflict are generally the same ones who don't practice what they preach.

That, along with the fact that I cannot logically believe in an all powerful, invisible being, is what turned me off from not only Christianity, but Religion in General. I see more hate and vitriol spewing from people who claim to be Christian than people who aren't spiritual or religious.

Until people can stop using religion as a basis to hate on a group of people they disagree with, it will always be that way. I mean, Look at how offensive and hateful the Religious attacks on Gay Marriage were in California, and now Maine. "Gay marriage will destroy the world as we know it! Gays can not be allowed to Wed! It is an affront to God Almighty!!" Things like that are why so many believe that Christianity is a hate filled religion.

If those who practiced christianity would just butt out and let those who don't believe the same way live thier lives the way they want, then there wouldn't be this line of thought. However, I think you and I both know that hardcore Christian's can't keep thier holier-than-thou noses out of other people's business.

 

Re: One Year Ago Today

For what it's worth, the main point behind California's Prop 8 was not, as many people on both sides of the argument claimed, specifically directed at gay marriage.  Proposition 8 came into being because a small group of judges effectively overruled a majority vote (and in California, that's a LOT of voters) on a law that had the exact same effect.  If those judges had allowed the will of the majority to remain law (and isn't that the point of the democratic process?) then Prop 8 never would have been necessary.

On another note, you have to realize that many people around the world consider themselves to be Christians even if they don't necessarily profess the faith.  Not to mention, Christians are just as human as everyone else.  We have our failings too.  Does that excuse our behavior?  Of course not.  But it's still a disappointment and an embarassment for the rest of us when someone as vocal as Jack Thompson claims to do the things he does in God's name.  He acts as though he speaks on behalf of the American Christian community, when in truth he does no such thing.

It's sad to see the faith I profess be denounced as a bunch of Bible-thumping bigots who spend more time trying to guilt-trip others into heaven than anything...  It's even sadder to realize that in many cases, it's completely true.  I simply do my best to avoid hypocrisy whenever I can.

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We are not a democracy, we are a republic that means we abide by constiutions that limit what kind of laws the government (and thus the majority) can make. The idea that a law that the majority likes can be ruled unconstiutional and thrown out was not invented by that judge, nor is it new (not by a long shot). However the proponents of prop 8 acted like the judge abused power, and kept throwing around their activisit judges line, even though the judge was Republican.

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