Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

September 28, 2009 -

A few weeks ago, UPS announced that it was pulling its advertising from Fox News because it disagreed with the inflammatory views of talk show host Glenn Beck. For those that missed the flap, Beck called President Obama a racist "with a deep-seeded hatred for white people." At least 33 companies have said they do not want their ads appearing on Beck's show.

In return, it looks like Stardock CEO Brad Wardell has taken the boycott a step further. According to the Angry Bear blog, Wardell has announced on his Facebook page that he is now boycotting UPS because they pulled their ads from Fox. He said Stardock does "a non-trivial amount of shipping with UPS" and if they did not change their position, he was taking Stardock's business to FedEx. 

The amount of business that UPS would lose should amount to a minor blip on their bottom line, but Wardell's stand of boycotting the boycotter makes for an interesting debate on supporting products you like, even though the executives may disagree with their political views. The Angry Bear points to his own views of Orson Scott Card and the upcoming Shadow Complex game.

Is this much ado about nothing, or can one voice become a collective roar? How far down the line will boycotts go? Will gamers who agree with UPS now boycott Stardock? Where do you stand?

Update: Wardell emailed GamePolitics with the following:

My Facebook comment was taken considerably out of context. I could care less about Glenn Beck or whether someone advertises on their show or not. But UPS is boycotting the entire channel which annoyed me enough to ask my publishing director to look into whether it was true (it was) and have them look into Fed Ex which provided competitive pricing and make use of them for our uses.
 

 


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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Those laws could really come in handy in Detroit, Flint, or Pontiac then...Eesh am I discriminated in the deep parts of those cities. That's why I'm glad to be living in Ann Arbor now, so much more tolerance and so much less crime.

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Boycotts in general are STUPID. Just take a look at the idiots who support the BDS (Boycott, Divestment & Sanctions) against the state of Israel. If you want to be able to reach a compromise and get what you want from a third party, boycotting them will not get what you want. 99% of the time the group you are boycotting is so big that they do not give a shit about your stupid attempts. Instead it is much much more effective to open up a channel of communication with said company, so that rational discussion can be had on the merits of particular corporate decisions.

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But still, the must of the times a "channel of communication" is useless, because the big party won´t listen anyways.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

 What's with people like Glenn Beck who think they can just take everything people said about Bush, turn it around, and claim it about Obama without much rhyme or reason?

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

For the same reason he can get away with one year talking about how horrible america's health system is, then today talking about how it is the best in the world.

He is entertainment, and as long as he puts lots of emotion into what he is saying, people will swallow it.

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 Because there actually is more rhyme and reason to claiming those things about Obama than there ever was to claim them about Bush?

I don't care either way, both of your parties are retarded in America.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

 Really? What basis is there to call Obama racist? Or to claim he destroyed the economy when he became president in an already destroyed economy, which in fact was due to Bush taking us from the largest budget surplus ever to the largest deficit ever? 

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"both of your parties are retarded in America"

Yes, yes, and yes. Granted, I hate the GOP immeasurably more, but they're both so...I don't even know, use whatever word you feel like.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Useless

Inconsistent

Illogical

Clueless

Any of those four will work.

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I'm an American, and I agree.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Personally I always try to separate the product form the maker, this can be pushed to the limit at times however, EA comes to mind.  In this case though I will not be boycotting either UPS or Stardock.  I do not like Glenn Beck, I didn't before he made that comment, so I don't watch him.  I however, think UPS has the right to express their opinions and pull their ads, I also think that Stardock has the right do the same and drop UPS.  Lastly I think that other consumers have the right to disagree with my stance on such things and choose to side with one company or the other if they wish to.

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This actually makes me less likly to use UPS or Stardock, but Stardock esp since it sounds like it was an individual using his company for personal politics, which I disapprove of since it tends to be the rank and file employies (who might hold differnt views) who then suffer for their CEO's personal politics.

While I am not thrilled that UPS is potentially hurting its people too, at least there was probably wider discussion first.

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Actually that is not a bad point however, if you are concerned about the rank and file employees and are less likely to use the companies' service or products due to the possible negative effects the CEO and executives have thrust upon them it seems odd that you are less likely to use their services or products as that would contribute to the negative effect for the employees.

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Yeah, I am an example of the very problem I have an issue with.

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I fail to see why we are supposed to care.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Obama has long since been proven a racist by his own statements and acts.  Of course, this is just one of several forms of bigotry that Obama is guilty of.

Glen Beck, of course, isn't much better.  Nor is Fox News.

So, if Stardock disagrees with the decisions of a particular company, then they are free to act in their own best interest.  Why would it be wrong?  After all, all these companies that are boycotting FOX for disagreeing with what was said, why should it be any more wrong for someone to boycott THEM for THEIR opinions?

Maybe everyone will boycott everyone else and we'll eventually end up with a truly FREE economy.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Dude, what are you sniffing?  Ar you going just by the spurious accusations of the right wing or the emails that have been circulating, or do you have something else to substantiate that with?  If you're referring to those books, Snopes did a great job of debunking those statements.  Here's the link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

Personally, I've never seen anything Obama's done or heard him say anything that in any way could be construed as racism.  Anyone to me who says otherwise is just making stuff up.

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"Anyone to me who says otherwise is just making stuff up."

Which tells me you're blind follower accepting the lies and deceit of others who make claims in favor of Obama.

Despite the evidence of the racist remarks made at the NAACP alone.

Despite his false claim that he wasn't going to make his run for office about race, and then when, supposedly, certain members of his support staff started raising the issue of race, instead of telling them to get the frak out, he gets behind their racially biased efforts.

Despite his own racist view that the issue of interracial marriage was a Civil Rights issue but that the issue of Homosexual marriage, under the NEUTRAL legal system, had nothing to do with Civil Rights.

Despite his classist attitudes placing the value of high profile jobs and education over "average" education and job positions or even over the "less desirable" jobs, despite their equal importance to society and this country at large.

The President of the United States should represent, protect, and do all they can to improve the lives of ALL US citizens.  Not just one group or the other.

We do not have a Democrat President and a Republican President and an Independant President in charge all at the same time.  In fact, the runner up (opposing party) in an election is not made the Vice President.

We do not have a President for each of the genders, each of the races, each of the religions and non-religions, each of the sexualities, or any other group you can segregate by, all running at one time, all representing, protecting, and improving the lives of only those groups they were voted to do these things for based on a segregated country.

One President.  One Nation.  One population of citizens.

To segregate in ANY way means the President will attempt to grant a bias towards one group while ignoring the very same issues that other groups also are a part of.

Eliminate poverty for any one group, and you still have poverty.

Improve the education system for any one group, and you still have a problem with the education system.

Improve health care or any health care issue for any one group, and you still have a crappy health care system.

Obama has openly pointed his finger at one group and, in effect, said "You are to blame for the problems of the other group.  I'm going to help them and screw you!"

He is only slightly better than having the Racist Al Sharpton or the Racist Jesse Jackson as "The First Black President".  McCain was no better.  He, at the least, was a religious bigot like Bush.  And Hilary Clinton was a gender bigot.  We would have been screwed no matter which one was voted into office.

And frankly, I AM getting tired of the still continuing "Things will be better now that a black man is finally a US President".  I know YOU didn't say it, but I'm hearing it over and over on the bus on the way to and from work.  And I get the dirty looks.  You know what?  I just smile and think just how stupid these individuals are.  Because, you see, when Obama fails, and he already has on so many levels, it will just be HIM who fails.  I will call any fool a fool if they claim "Look!  A black man failed at being a US President!  That proves they can't be Presidents!".  Idiots.  Remember about a decade ago when a woman applied at a military college and eveyone made a big deal about that?  And when she washed out, how a lot of folks actually did say it was proof that women couldn't do what men did?  I, like a number of others, pointed out that it was common for even MEN to wash out, even that same year.  It wasn't that women in general couldn't do it, it was that SHE failed.

It's truly sad.  Our government, based on the government designed under the US Constitution, was supposed to be NEUTRAL.  It was supposed create unification despite diversity.  But, while the intent was good, the government had to be made up with Human ideas of segregation equals unification.  Yeah, I know.  No logical there whatsoever.  What do you expect from Humans?

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Being from a Canadian and very culturally diverse city, we don't really have racism like you do in the states (here at least)... I'll just tell you that - and of course I'm not american so you can tell me to shut up - the thought that "Things will be better now that a black man is finally a US President" is not what we think up here.  We think that "things will be better now that Bush isn't president and the US finally elected someone intelligent".

But that's us, we're not inundated with Beck, Rush, Oberman... um... in fact we are exposed to punditry so little that I don't even know their names.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

Hitler was intelligent...

(Don't take that as me being like some that say Obama = Hitler, I think that pretty much every president since Adams has abused his powers far too much)

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Einstein was also intelligent, but Einstein != Hitler...

Intelligence might not a good leader make (although it's arguable that Hitler did a lot to help post WWI Germany), but I think that we can agree that non-intelligence does make one either.

But that's beside the point, I've been Godwin'd... you win... here's your internet. :D 

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I usually have a lot of respect for you and your point of view, but on this I think I have to wildly disagree.  And I also take offense to being a “blind follower” of Obama.  I’ve looked the guy up and down and I’ve yet to find anything about him that would be off-putting.  I personally think that he’s doing the best he can under the circumstances.  You forget he inherited the mess left by the previous administration, which is going to take a lot of time to clean up.

 

I also find the comparisons to Sharpton and Jackson reprehensible as well.  He is nowhere near on the same level as those two.  I have not seen or heard anything from him that I would consider him excluding or favoring one group over another.  Obama is a politician sure, and like all of them he made promises, and it happened some of those promises he realized he couldn’t keep and had to make compromises when faced with the political realities.  But at the very least he tried, and he is still trying to accomplish the goals he has set for his presidency where possible.

 

I personally like the man.  I think he’s the best president we’ve had in a while.  Certainly better than that moron Bush.  I personally don’t care if he’s black.  He could be charteuse for all I care.  I’m just glad that we have an INTELLGENT and rational person in the White House; one who has been seen to put a lot of thought behind what he does and who really seems to give a damn about this country.

 

You want to say I’ve bought into a personality cult?  You want to say I’m naïve?  That I want socialism or whatever?  Fine.  I know he’s human and not perfect, but I personally can’t find anything the man has sad or done that I disagree with (except maybe all the comments about the Xbox, but even there I understood the point he was trying to make and didn’t fly off the handle about it like some here did).  I honestly do not understand where all this hatred and fear of him comes from.  All I know is that I voted for the man because I did not like the direction this country had been going in for the last eight years and I wanted someone whom I thought could turn things around and whose values and ideals were more or less in line with mine.  I believed that Obama was that person and still do.  And if you want to think I’ve been somehow deluded about it, go ahead.  I’m sticking to my guns on this.

 

Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

The fact that he spoke at the NAACP, which is now controlled by racist fucks, kind of implies a hint of racism. It'd be like some new female politician speaking in front of some incredibly feminazi group.

Is Obama racist? Who knows, I sure don't. Do I agree with his policies? About as much as I do with the Republican Party's policies (that is, not at all). Obama seems like a much less racist person than many other people that claim to represent a minority, which makes sense because Obama isn't even black, he's half black.

However, the 90+% of black people that voted for him in comparison to the 50-% of white people...that shows hardcore racism from the black community.

 

As for my opinion on this article...I think UPS overreacted, personally, but that's their perrogative, as it is for Stardock. Glenn Beck, while agreeable in some aspects, also has a bit of crazy in him that can get him in trouble sometimes. But whatevs, that's his/Fox's issue. Now as to why people are punishing Fox for what *1* person said...that seems the most overboard of everyone involved here.

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"However, the 90+% of black people that voted for him in comparison to the 50-% of white people...that shows hardcore racism from the black community."

 

Douchebag of the day goes to chadachada321... seriosuly I'm black  and I voted for obama not because he's halfblack I actually detest the idea of race and would love to strangle the jackass who came up with it but I don't really agree with his views but Mccain wasn't gonna do anymore of a better job.

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Do you, or do you not, agree that a fair amount of black people voted for Obama (at least partly) because he is half black? I have a black friend who dislikes Obama's policies and wouldn't have voted for him were he old enough, but I know others that voted for him SOLELY because he was black. There are lots of people in between also, using race as a factor in their decision. When there is a 40% skew of voting results for one race over another, I'd say that race definitely played a part for a fair number of black people.

Perhaps I should've said "hardcore racism from a fair chunk of the black community" instead, as that would be more appropriate. Not all black people voted for Obama because he was black, a fair chunk likely agree with a number of his policies, I acknowledge that. But race did play a part for an unknown-yet-large number of black people.

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Re: Boycotting the Boycotter: Stardock takes on UPS

When there is a 40% skew of voting results for one race over another, I'd say that race definitely played a part for a fair number of black people.

You should inquire at your local community college as to whether they offer a Statistics 101 class. If they do, you should sign up for it. 

Ask yourself what percentage of African Americans are registered Democrats and therefore are inclined to vote for a Democrat candidate regardless of race. Then ask yourself what percentage of the total African American vote Bill Clinton, a white man, received when he first ran for President. Then ask yourself why you like to pull shit out of your ass as if it makes a lick of sense. 

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Well soorrryyyy for not knowing that blacks generally voted Democratic...eesh. I honestly thought that this election was particularly different than other ones. My bad. I wasn't pulling shit out of my ass, I just didn't know.

I looked it up. 84% of blacks voted for Clinton in '96, compared to 43% of whites. And 83% in '92 to 39%. I apologize for thinking that race had anything to do with this election, as the percentage would likely have been the same/similar no matter who the candidate was. I made a mistake, and I recognize my colossal error. Without knowing the normal voting trend, I assumed that the large difference was because of who Obama was, not what party he was. Now that I know the normal voting trend, I take back what I have said, and conclude that race had little-to-nothing to do with his election.

I really wasn't trying to be a dick or anything, I was just interpreting what data I had. I didn't even think about the possibility of this election just fitting the normal voting trend.

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I'm keeping this reply seperate, because I don't want to belabor the point, but yeah, this isn't entirely your fault. Rather, you heard repeatedly over the media that Obama has HUGE SUPPORT AMONGST BLACKS and 90% OF BLACKS FOR OBAMA!, without hearing it in any kind of context, along with people on FauxNews going "BLACKS LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK" all the friggin' time 24/7. This is the problem with a media that goes after ratings before anything else. If something seems even slightly controversial, even MSNBC will talk about it for hours, but News Corp is the largest news network in the country, and unlike MSNBC and CNN, they have no standards of Journalistic integrity.

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But for some reason, women don't seem to like Sarah Palin cause she's a woman.  Or Michael Steele cause he's black.

Why Obama but not Steele?  Obama's only 50% black... Steele is much blacker...

It just doesn't make any sense!

</sarcasm> 

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*facepalm* Dammit I need to grow a brain. I read your reply several times, and even took it as nonsarcastic the first couple of times, even after reading </sarcasm>. I need to stop jumping the gun on the "anti-racism-racism-whatever" argument.

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At least you can readily admit the error of your ways. That is the first step on the journey down the road of wisdom. Keep it up. That way, you won't end up like Austin Lewis: a dumb fuck and proud of it. 

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if this was the past and it was the deep south jim crow laws would say obama is black. anyways obama is bi-racial biologically but identity wise he is black and he refers to him self as being black.

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However, the 90+% of black people that voted for him in comparison to the 50-% of white people...that shows hardcore racism from the black community.

This statement wins you the Moron of the Year Award. Your T-shirt's been mailed. 

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Agreed, there are many reasons someone might've voted for Barack, so to assume they all voted for the same reason, hell to even assume they all thought he was a racist, is stupid.

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I didn't say that I thought that they thought that Obama was racist. I'm saying that a fair amount of the black community is racist, and voted for Obama, at least in part, because he is half-black.

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I didn't say that I thought that they thought that Obama was racist. I'm saying that a fair amount of the black community is racist, and voted for Obama, at least in part, because he is half-black. ----------

 

No...just no. I could write an entire essay about everything that was wrong with your statement.

Here's a hint, in order to quote Chris Rock, they didn't vote for him because he was black, they voted for him because he was black and QUALIFIED. He was voted in because he was the MOST QUALIFIED. Because he is an ELOQUENT SPEAKER, and because his policies line up very closely to what reputable polls say American's want.

And the "He got 50% of the white vote but 90% of the black vote" argument, if you go to any Democratic town hall/political rally, you'll find races completely proportional to the area's demographics. Go to a Republican one, I dare you to find more black people than you can count on your hand.

Or did it not occur to you that perhaps the majority of racists in this country are white?

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Hey, people voted him in, if they are fine with spending trillions of dollars more that we don't have, then it's their choice. They're "the majority," after all.

Yeah yeah, I realize that the 50% white 90% black thing completely fits in with normal voting trends (blacks vote Democrat most of the time). I made a lengthy post admitting my fault a few posts down. I totally fucked up on that part and realize my mistake. I was wrong about that.

But I disagree with the last sentence. I think that there are manyyyy extremes from whites, blacks, browns, and all minorities/majorities. Granted, we don't have very many Malcolm X's (from any race) anymore, but there's still Al Sharpton who is racist against whites and Hal Turner against blacks. And Sotomayer, against whites. The list goes on and on.

And, having grown up a stone's throw from Pontiac and damn close to Flint and Detroit, I can say that whites are definitely discriminated against there for being white...I have trouble hearing of predominately white areas that are that prejudice against blacks these days. Just saying. It doesn't even have to do with race, it's the retarded culture that many deep-city people have.

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I just wanted to point out that... although you guys are having a proper discussion and can admit your errors (like civil people do).  The Republican party (I'm not saying republicans, I'm saying the party) seems to take on that flawed argument.

They do seem to believe that people vote for people based on race/gender/etc and not based on qualifications.  Palin is a good example.  Does anyone truly believe that she was qualified to be second command of the country?  Or was it that Republicans figured that people were voting for Hillary because she was a woman and not because she was qualified?

Michael Steele is LAUGHABLE and an embarrassment to the party (like Palin is).  But don't you think it's interesting that Obama gets elected and they immediate appoint a Black man to RNC chair? And a black man who is also completely unqualified.

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Sadly, when Hillary was still a potential Democratic nominee, my mom stated that she would probably vote for Hillary because she's a woman. >.> My mom is fairly conservative too, which threw me for a loop. That probably also had an effect on how I viewed other people's voting habits, meh.

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Did she end up voting for Palin?

The point I'm trying to make is that all things being equal, perhaps someone would vote for Obama (because he's black) or Hilary (because she's a woman).  But I don't think that anyone would vote for Palin (completely unqualified and IMO a complete knob) over someone qualified just because she's a woman.

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Well my mom voted for McCain because she didn't like what she knew of Obama's policies and isn't interested enough in politics to choose a 3rd party/more fitting candidate, and felt that McCain was pretty relaxed/middle-of-the-road/moderate. So while she did vote for Palin, she didn't vote for her because she was a woman (she was only running for VP after all). I find Hillary just as qualified as Palin for running this country, though. Both are idiots.

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K, I actually typed my post, then walked away to do something else, so I didn't see your post way down, but you admit your mistake and I'm glad you did. 

However, your trouble hearing about white areas that are racist against blacks is not due to its nonexistance, but rather your own ignorance. Talk radio hosts like Limbaugh and commentators like Beck and Bill-O, blatantly preach racism on TV all the time. They have huge bases of 'dittoheads'. Don't get me started on people like Joe Wilson.

And the predominantly racist areas do still exist, just nowhere near where you live. The difference is that the white areas don't advetise it. They just passively deny jobs to qualified black people and lock their car doors when a minority walks by them.

Your call on Sotomayor (not Sotomayer), is utter crap. The attacks on her character as a "reverse racist" were made by racists themselves. As a caucasian upper-middle class male who lives very close to some very impoverished predominantly-minority populated areas, I can tell you that people in the majority (in the US, white males who have held total power in this country until VERY recently) only see 'racism' against themselves when they harbor racist ideas. I can also tell you that I have never once felt threatened, scared, or outraged by a single thing ever done by a minority in a position of political power. If you seriously think that any kind of program advocated by prominent minority politicians will have a 'racist' impact on whites, then you seriously need to re-evaluate your political beliefs.

It is either some kind of boarderline fear that the scary dark-skinned people are going to do to them what they were doing against minorities for centuries, or a stemming from the belief that anything which upsets the establishment is destroying their very fabric of life. And this can be very scary to a lot of people.

This does not mean that Obama or Sotomayor or whoever are racists, but rather the lashing out is driven by a blatant (but perhaps subconcious?) racist overtone, for to accuse those of racism is in fact racist in itself. In fact, I'd wager for every white person who was legitimagely wronged by Affirmative Action, there are maybe 12 who bitch and moan about how minorities unfairly took their own job with no actual facts to support this claim, nor anything to disprove that the minority could have just been more qualified. 

You claim that the 'racism' you encounter doesn't have anything to do with race, but the culture that inner city produces. What I think you don't realize is that this 'culture' is an entire byproduct of severe poverty, which is why Affirmative Action programs exist in the first place. Those kinds of impoverished places more closely resemble goddamn warzones than cities. All I can say is that you are looking at things like the two sides of the flip-coin are equal. They are not. One of them is horribly scarred.

Goddamnit, I subconciously worked in a batman analogy. Now I wanna play Arkham Asylum.

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How is Joe Wilson racist?  Because he called Obama a liar?  I didn't realize that was racism these days.  And just because people disagree with Obama doesn't make them racists.

Are you shitting me about Sotomayor?  The calls made on her weren't by 'racists', but by people who caught her spewing bullshit.  And if she had said it once, maybe it would be possible she misspoke.  But she made racist comments repeatedly, and there was even some racist slant in her findings.  Empathy in the court room isn't something we need from Supreme Court Justices. And suggesting that the lashing out is driven is just retarded.

And inner cities are that way for a reason, and it has a lot to do with the people who live there.  White, Brown or Black, they're not educated, they're not intelligent, and more often than not, they're extremely fucking lazy.  And Affirmative Action is absolutely racist: it forces people to screw over more qualified candidates to meet a quota.  How is that fair?

Oh, and obviously, you can only see racism against yourself when you harbor racist ideals.  So wait, does that make Obama, Sotomayor, Wright, Sharpton, and the list goes on a bunch of racists?  Your thinking is absolutely flawed.

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And inner cities are that way for a reason, and it has a lot to do with the people who live there.  White, Brown or Black, they're not educated, they're not intelligent, and more often than not, they're extremely fucking lazy. 

People who live in the inner city aren't intelligent? You should know. Lack of intelligence seems to be your stock in trade.

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Depends on what you call the inner city. The ghetto parts of any major city are full of idiots that, for the most part, choose a life full of gangs and violence and shit, or just choose to not try hard in school. Granted, if certain lesser drugs were made legal and people being released from prison weren't continuing to be treated as criminals, then their would be a much smaller barrier keeping inner-city people from becoming decent members of society.

Kid gets a shitty education or drops out of school to help take care of the house. He sells weed to make money because he doesn't have the education or money to move out. He gets mugged by other thugs, so he now carries a weapon with him for protection. He doesn't have a legal means of getting the weapon (we'll say that it's Chicago, which has some of the more retarded gun control laws), so he buys it illegally on the streets. One day, he gets arrested. A felony, a year or more in jail/prison. He gets out, and is a young adult. Stuck in his same old city, and now having a felony charge, there's no way that he could get a new job (people are far too prejudice to ex-criminals, assuming "once a criminal, always a criminal" even though most of us have committed a felony at one point or another in our lives), so this young adult is forced to sell drugs again just to make ends meat. It's a vicious cycle that is being continued by many of our unsensible laws.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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The ghetto parts of any major city are full of idiots that, for the most part, choose a life full of gangs and violence and shit, or just choose to not try hard in school.

You've now qualified yourself for not one but two Moron of the Year Awards. Congratulations.

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Did you even read the rest of my post? I go on to explain that current laws prevent potentially good/smart people from leaving the city, forcing many to stay in the shitty areas.

But explain, how does that post make me a moron? Insensitive or disillusioned, perhaps (though I disagree as of right now), but surely not "moronic."

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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Given the total population of any inner-city, what percentage of the inhabitants do you believe are involved in gangs and other criminal activity or have no educational aspirations as opposed to those who are law-abiding and hard-working stiffs? Just because Austin Lewis lives in Community X is no valid basis for me to conclude that the majority of the other people who live in Community X are also severely retarded. 

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I'm speaking of the ghetto parts of inner cities. I'm not sure what percentage are involved in gangs and the like, but it's definitely a lot higher than those in suburban areas, hence the "culture" statements from earlier.

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

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What is the "ghetto part" of an inner-city?

 
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Andrew EisenSome locked threads. Some let them be. So, no, I'm not seeing a problem here. No corruption. No collusion. No ethical problem with privately discussing ethics.09/20/2014 - 12:48am
Andrew EisenAnd still, in the end, Tito made up his own mind on how to handle his site. All 150 or so members went off to handle their own sites in their own ways. Some talked about it. Some didn't. Some changed disclosure policies. Some didn't.09/20/2014 - 12:40am
Andrew EisenThere were two comments other than Kochera and Tito's. One pointed out the Escapist Code of Conduct, another comment was in support of Tito.09/20/2014 - 12:40am
Andrew EisenKochera privately expressed his disagreement on how Tito decided to do something. No, I don't consider that crossing a line nor do I consider the exchange an example of the group pressuring him.09/20/2014 - 12:36am
Kronotechnical reasons. Anyways, I need to get to sleep as well.09/20/2014 - 12:29am
KronoAnd he wasn't the only one pushing Tito to censor the thread. If Tito had bowed to peer pressure, we likely wouldn't have gotten this http://goo.gl/vKiYtR which grew out of that thread. Said thread also lasted until a new one needed to be made for09/20/2014 - 12:28am
Krono@Andrew So it's an example of Kuchera crossing the line from reporter to advocate. And an example of the group pressuring for censorship.09/20/2014 - 12:21am
E. Zachary KnightAnyway, I am off to bed. I will probably wake up to all of this being knocked off the shout box.09/20/2014 - 12:20am
E. Zachary KnightKrono, that is the type of reading too much into things that bugs me. Ben did no such thing. Greg had the last word in that part of the exchange. The rest was about how to approach the story and Quinn.09/20/2014 - 12:19am
Andrew EisenSo?09/20/2014 - 12:13am
KronoExcept that the forum thread wasn't harassment, and Kuchera continued to push for the thread's removal after Tito made it clear he didn't consider it harassment.09/20/2014 - 12:12am
Andrew EisenPersonally, I see nothing wrong with someone offering their opinion or the other person making up their own mind on how to run their site.09/20/2014 - 12:06am
E. Zachary KnightKrono, I read nothing of the sort in that email chain. I read Ben giving advice on what to do when a forum thread is used to harass someone and spread falshoods about them and others.09/20/2014 - 12:05am
KronoThat's exactly what Ben Kuchera was doing to Greg Tito.09/19/2014 - 11:58pm
Krono@EZK So you see nothing wrong with one journalist pressuring a journalist from a different organization to not only not run a story, but to censor a civil discussion already taking place?09/19/2014 - 11:56pm
E. Zachary KnightI write for a number of blogs and talk to people who write similar blogs all the time for tips and advice. I see nothing wrong with that.09/19/2014 - 11:50pm
E. Zachary KnightI read that comment now and frankly, I think that guy is reading too much into this. The press talk to each other. It happens. There is nothing that can be done to stop it from happening.09/19/2014 - 11:49pm
KronoUnfortunately it seems unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.09/19/2014 - 11:45pm
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