More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

September 29, 2009 -

Yesterday GP reported on a comment made by Stardock CEO Brad Wardell regarding his company switching to UPS as a shipping provider, which, in turn, was a seeming response to UPS pulling its advertising from Fox News.

Wardell has since taken to his blog to further explain his position. Noting that GP had reported on his original Facebook post and that the story had eventually “morphed into support for Glenn Beck,” the self-described conservative stated that we are “in the age of the Internet where anything can be recorded, video’d or in this case, copied and pasted, you end up in a gray area of what exactly is news and what isn’t.”

Wardell continued:

I wasn’t making a moral pronouncement on what UPS had done. I was simply annoyed by what they were doing. If people want to boycott my company as a result, that’s certainly their right. Of course, I suspect they assume that if their boycott were successful and I had to lay people off that I wouldn’t do so based on the ideology of the employee.

Neoseeker takes the story a step further, receiving a response from UPS press relations that, in fact, they never pulled their advertising on Fox:

We simply did not have any ads currently airing on FOX.  In fact, a new advertising rotation began on September 14 to support the new The UPS Store online printing service. FOX is included in that rotation.


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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

The funniest part of this whole situation is the people who say they are no longer buying products from Stardock over this. You're basically pulling the same stunt they did with UPS.


Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

We know.

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

What I find the most amusing about this entire situation is the extreme double-standard being applied.

1.  UPS is reported to be boycotting Fox News due to Fox expressing views they (UPS) disagree with

2.  Stardock is reported to be boycotting UPS due to UPS expressing views they (Stardock) disagree with.

In point 1, There is a great deal of praise.  In point 2 there is a great deal of ridicule.  What I'm getting from this crowd is that unless you sit on the liberal side of the line, you are wrong to express your views, wrong to take actions based on those views.

Now, I'm all for taking your dollar to the businesses that most align with your own personal views and aims, but at least be honest and fair about it.  Don't try and paint one group as evil and another as angelic for doing the EXACT SAME THING.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Of course when Generalize or Abstract anything enough it becomes the same thing at some point. After all you could have just said this

UPS reacted to Fox News for their actions

Stardock reacted to UPS for their actions.

All you did was argue "C reacted to B because B reacted to A" Completely missing the details of what cause the reaction. The key difference is what view they were expressing not that they were expressing a view.

Now Let me try

Terrorist Killed People they believe were evil and committed crimes

USA Killed People they believe were evil and committed crimes

Cant you see its exactly the same thing. They both killed people because they both believed they were killing people that were evil and committing crimes. Yet, Terrorist get hunted down and the USA get praise. Don't try and paint one group as evil and another as angelic for doing the EXACT SAME THING.


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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I seem to remember a lot of news time from groups like CNN and MSNBC going to the whole 'UPS pulls ads from FoxNews' ordeal.  Whatever happened to all that?  I don't believe UPS for a damn minute.

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Of course you wouldn't. God forbid that it turns out UPS wasn't out to get your precious Faux News!!

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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/27/ups-oreilly/

http://colorofchange.org/beck/more/release-36.html

Two sources, both liberal leaning, that disagree with you. Hell, Color of Change was the group of jackasses that were trying to get everyone to pull their ads from Fox.  So either UPS is lying or your liberal 'progressive' Komrades are lying.

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Hmmm, a business lying to protect PR or politically biased sources putting political bias on a story?

Gotta be honest, there's a 50/50 chance either way.

EDIT: Or, of course, Austin didn't read his sources very carefully. That's more like a 98% chance.

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

That source quotes the exact same article I mentioned above, and that AP article is the only one I could find that claims UPS pulled ALL their ads off Fox (I said articles, plural, before because the same article was posted on several different news sites). I'm inclined to think there really was a miscommunication, or at worst a deliberate misconstruing on part of the article's author.
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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Either way, there was an article written by a (once) trustworthy source that said UPS had pulled ALL advertising.  Whether AP just wasn't on their game that day, or decided to lie, I don't know. However, an AP article is more than enough proof for someone to pull business from UPS (apparently). 

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In all reality, I would applaud UPS for pulling thier ads from fox completely. Any company that advertises on that network is not worthy of my business.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Brad'll start boycotting YOU when he finds out you said that!

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Um, just so we're clear, those two articles are about the UPS store pulling its ads from specific shows. Recent articles heavily implied that UPS had pulled ALL of their ads from the entire network, and that's what pissed off Brad Wardell enough to have his company stop using UPS for their shipping.

UPS's response is, likewise, only indicating that they haven't pulled their ads from the entire network. They don't say they haven't pulled ads from individual shows.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

"... regarding his company switching to UPS as a shipping provider ..." (emphasis added)

Actually, he proposed switching from UPS to FedEx.

 

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Well, I'm glad that the Stardock CEO decided to show his true colors. He let his politics show very clearly in his knee jerk condemnation of UPS and support for FAUX News. I now know what company to avoid purchasing from in the future.. It's a shame, too, because I did enjoy Sins of a Solar Empire..

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

This is possibly the weirdest, most confusing GP story of recent memory. 

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Hmm. His blog doesnt state much on why he chooses FedEx over UPS. I cant see his orginal Facebook page, since well I dont have facebook or want it, but if he did use the word boycott then is it obvious as to why people started to draw that conclusion.  Now if he said that he was just choosing FedEx over UPS because I am annoyed with UPS, I dont think anyone would have drawn the conclusion they have before. I could be wrong and he maybe doing some back peddling.

Word of the Day: DICTION

Choose your words wisely. 

EDIT: The Comments on his blog are not helping his case. It makes me wonder who are his frequent readers and which audience he appeals to. After all I think we all would have a second thoughts if the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, or Nickoldian (sp) started showing Trojan Condom, Girls Gone Wild, and Victoria Secret ads instead of ads for Water Guns, Ring Pop, Match Box, Barbie, and McDonalds.


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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UPS is garbage.  If you want someone to demolish your package and its contents, go with them.  If you want someone to actually take some amount of care in the handling of your package, go FedEx.  Used to be DHL was better, but they stopped shipping nationally.

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I can attest to that. One time I ordered a CPU from Newegg that was shipped through UPS. The CPU had arrived, and it looked like either the box had been dropped or previously opened. The CPU looked like it had fallen out and the pins were bent. Luckily I was able to contact Newegg right away and RMA the thing. A couple other times I’ve ordered DVDs from Amazon and the discs arrived loose in their cases, though that’s not really uncommon. Still, one time I ordered the entire series of Babylon 5 and disc 6 of the Season 1 set had chipped! (I managed to fix it with Crazy Glue, and miraculously it played fine!).Sometimes I have to wonder if they’ve got chimpanzees over there handling the packages.

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Huh, nice coincidence (for me).  I'm currently rewatching the Babylon 5 series, one disc a day.  I'm right in the middle of the first season.  It's kinda slow at the beginning, it isn't until Shepard shows up in season 2 that things really start to get interesting.

Anyway, I positively love and trust UPS.  Never had any problems, so maybe it's a regional thing.  Now, FedEx seems to run slow in my area, so I don't use them much.  And USPS is the worst of the bunch.  So I do UPS whenever possible, and nothing ever arrives damaged.  Plus, I think their online tracking is probably the most consistant.

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I have had minor problems with FedEx, UPS, and DHL but nothing out of the ordinary.  Maybe they just dont like you? which is easy to understand


I am a critical thinker not a dumb ass inbred conservative or a jackass liberal

Pedophiles are the new Nazi / Communist. Labeling someone a Pedophile will get them blacklisted even though there is no evidence.

Murder is not a crime when done in self defense, a time of war, or when done by court order (death penalty). People cry murder when fetus are aborted. How about when the mother could die? The mother is 13 years old? The mother was raped? The child is a product of incest? Is foster care really the best answer for children who's parents cant take of them? How many children actually end up in foster care when their parents are dead beats?

A 14 year old is child when they have sex but is an adult when they commit murder?

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I've been using UPS for years.  They've never let me down yet.

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Just wait.  I've seen what their service leads to: A guitar shop, for example, recieving 12 guitars (6 Martins, 3 Guilds, and 3 Taylors) and all but 3 of them being broken to the point where in order to repair the guitar, they'd basically have to buy a new guitar.  Oh, the three that survived were the Guilds, because they come in unbelievably strong hard-cases.

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I have found that UPS's quality varries wildly by their local distribution center and even then over time.  Which in itself is not a good thing since USPS and FedEx tend to have much more consistant good behavior.

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"Of course, I suspect they assume that if their boycott were successful and I had to lay people off that I wouldn’t do so based on the ideology of the employee."

So he's saying it WOULD be down to the ideology of the employee? Isn't that illegal? The more he speaks the deeper he digs his pit. Hope it's cozy down there.

Will he be doing serious back-peddling now it's emerged he got his facts a lot wronger than people who were assuming he supported Beck based on his actions?

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

It's really too bad that he's coming across as a huge douche.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Hmmm.  I was a big fan of Stardock.  So much so that I went out of my way to seek out and buy their games.  Now, not so much.  In fact I think Stardock and me will have to part company.

I read his blog.  Basically, it seems to come down to this - he saw UPS pulling their ads from Faux as pushing their ideology down people's throats (ironic since ideology-pushing is exactly what Faux News does).  So what does he do?  He pulls his business from UPS, which is the exact same thing that UPS did to Faux - i.e. pushing his ideology down people's throats.  Now it seems he's trying to make out that this was not him making a gigantic jackass out of himself.  Well, that genie can't be put back in the bottle.  We'll just have to wait and see how big a hit his company takes in the 4th quarter because of this.

I guess the moral of the story is this - unless you're Fox News, if you don't want to put a big dent in your customer base, keep your political opinions to yourself.  Also, try to at least pretend you care about the people you employ.

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I think he's saying that people must have known that he WOULDN'T lay people off based on their ideology, so a successful boycott against Stardock would have ultimately ended up hurting people who may or may not have actually agreed with the CEO's position.

Which is actually a very good point.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

The way he worded it was that people would "assume" that he wouldn't do that.  And to point that out is to try to indicate something that would be contrary to what they assume.  If the assumption is correct, there's no reason to bring it up.  Or at the very least would word it differently... like... "and people know that I wouldn't lay off people based on ideology".

I would think that people only point out the assumption of other when it in error. 

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

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Funny thing, he seems to have edited out the quote that we're arguing over.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.


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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

"Think of the children" is a familiar defence to us, but I gotta admit "Think of the employees" is a first.

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So he's trying to hide behind his employees to defend his position. What a guy.

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I don't really see it that way. Like I said, he does have a good point.

Of course, the fact that the same point applies to him and his boycott of UPS doesn't really help his case, but he wasn't trying to encourage anyone else to do the same, so it's unlikely that he seriously wanted to hurt their business.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.


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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Of course, his boycott was definitely more of a case of throwing his toys out of the pram then an attempt to lead a movement. But he didn't bother to get his facts straight (whilst telling everyone else they haven't got theirs straight) and is frantically trying to justify his position but making himself look worse.

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Well, that's interesting. This whole mess stemmed from the fact that they didn't currently have any ads on FOX being misreported/misinterpreted as "they pulled their ads."
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.


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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

Oh yeah, did you guys saw this on CNN.  I remember a week ago I mention this on the shoutbox.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1f5xrOfGU


I'm glad Rick on CNN called Fox News a liar.  They deserve it.  UPN withdraw from them is another blow to FOX News.

 

Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

 CNN calling Fox News liars is fairly hypocritical.  They're really just as bad.

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Fox News lie a lot, but they lie about video game.  tell you the truth, CNN is way better then Fox News.  Did you know CNN has a segment on video game called "get your game on" and CNN would have Adam Sessler to go on there.  I haven't seen them bashing or lying about video like how FOX did.  CNN has a lot of good program that point out what's going on around the world unlike FOX. 
 

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There are probably more links in the chain, but from where I'm sitting it was Brad himself who mis-represented it.

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Re: More Stardock/UPS/FOX Clarifications

"This is a good illustration of that conundrum," said Rich Hallabran, spokesman for UPS Stores, which he said has temporarily halted buying ads on Fox News Channel as a whole.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/24/us-tv-becks-advertise...

That is the article cited by GP in yesterday's report. It's an AP report, it was posted elsewhere using exactly the same words. You have to admit the wording makes it sound like they pulled their ads in response to Beck's remarks.
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I'm not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I'm not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don't know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.
 
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