ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

October 22, 2009 -

Entertainment Consumer Association (ECA) President Hal Halpin recently discussed gamers’ rights with the website Skewed & Reviewed.

Among the topics broached were Digital Rights Management (DRM), M-rated game sales, triumphs of the past year and the challenges still remaining.

Halpin on the greatest single current threat to gamers’ rights:

Again, generally, digital rights as it relates to consumers. More particularly, I’d say that a challenge within that challenge may be that we still have a lot of work to do regarding combating negative stereotypes of gamers and gaming.

On further reducing the sale of adult-rated games to minors:

Beyond that, I believed and continue to believe, that parental responsibility must begin there. To ask more of the merchant is unfair and unprecedented, compared with how DVDs, music and motion pictures are sold. They¹ve done and are doing enough.

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Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

What about the sale of adult games to adults? We can't even get games with an adult rating. They are banned console and store wise.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

"To ask more of the merchant is unfair and unprecedented..."

And unnecessary.  Games don't hurt kids so it doesn't matter if they buy them or not.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Not when the goal of "reducing the sale of adult-rated games to minors" is one which the industry, including most of the merchants, has set for themselves. Once they've drawn their own line, necessary or not, they should be expected to toe it.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Sure, but my comment was directed at the concept in general.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

No need to get snarky with me. You're the one that voted for Obama. Blame yourself, not me.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Huh?  Are you sure you're replying to the right post?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Now you wanna play dumb. I'm talking to you, mister. You got a problem with that? Wanna take it outside?

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

I have no problem with you talking to me or taking issue with something I said.  However, I haven't the faintest clue what you're on about.

"No need to get snarky with me."

Agreed.  That's why there was no snark in my response.

"You're the one that voted for Obama."

Who said that?  What would it have to do with anything anyway?

"Blame yourself, not me."

Blame myself for what?  What on Earth do you think I was blaming you for?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

You think I care that you're in a barbershop quartet? I'll take on you and your three friends. Do I look like I'm scared of a barbershop quartet?

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

You should be.  We'll eat you alive and sing over your excreted remains.

Or we'll just give you a shave and a haircut (two bits).  Kind of a tossup really.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Took you long enough to figure out I was blowing smoke up your ass.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Yeah, I often take things a bit too seriously.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

How the hell are negative sterotypes of gamers a challenge within the challenge of digital rights? Clouding the issue much Hal?

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Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Gamers who act like immature, idiotic, man-children aren't exactly a group of people anyone is willing to take seriously.  Its hard to care about the rights of a consumer group who comes off as little more than smelly, whiny fanboys. 

I doubt Valve gained any respect for its consumer base over L4D2.

It's unlikely Capcom and Square gained a newfound respect for their consumers after the shitstorm over DMC4 and FFXIII coming to multiple consoles. 

 

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Hal continues: "While that's a challenge into and of itself, it's also directly relevant to the digital rights debate because we may be the single most impacted constituency, due to the lifestyle, habits and hobbies of consumers of interactive entertainment. Being respected as such, as opposed to the stereotype, empowers us collectively and individually."

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Allt hose words and he STILL completely fails to link them.

"A lot of smoke and thunder signifying nothing."

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Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Isn't it "a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing" which belongs in quotes? As in:

"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing." -
Macbeth

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

THAT'S what I was thinking of. Makes a lot more sense than smoke and thunder :-P

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Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

In your defense, you're on record as stating that literature doesn't rank high on your lists. A less than passing familiarity with the Bard is par for that course.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

But in all fairness, my knowledge of the quote came from the Adult Swim cartoon The Venture Bros.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Does this mean quotes from The Lion King are acceptable as words from the Bard since it's just the Disney-fied version of Hamlet?  >.>

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Like I said, ^^.

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

Did you try reading the linked article?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: ECA Prez Discuses Gamers’ Rights

I disagree.

 

Andrew Eisen

 
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Wonderkarplook deep for it....reaching much. those kinds of people are what urk me.11/20/2014 - 4:07pm
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NeenekoI think what tends to make discussing sexism in games difficult is scale, the issues tend to be systemic in nature, but bite sized examples are not... and the systemic part ties into a lot of dry academic stuff requiring domain knowledge not everyone has.11/20/2014 - 3:16pm
Wonderkarpand I jumped for joy when the Cogs went multigendered in GOW. but I also like male protagonists like Kratos or Nathan Drake or Link.11/20/2014 - 2:58pm
Wonderkarp..it needs female options. thats why I prefer biowares games. My Shepard was female(Jennifer Hale <3) and my skyrim player was female. I prefer female characters. But I dont think its a sexism issue. More and more females are coming.11/20/2014 - 2:55pm
WonderkarpMonte, I would argue that with Tomb Raiders sales....remember me though....personally I like games with character customization. I was one of those people miffed at ACUnity over no female assassins. if you give us customization, unless its a sports game..11/20/2014 - 2:53pm
Matthew WilsonI argue it hass less to do with femalw lead, and more to do with marketing and game quality. remember me did not sell bad becouse of a female lead, it was a bad game.11/20/2014 - 2:48pm
MonteWonderKarp, Games with female protgonists have a much harder time. Many publishers shy away from them because they don't think they will sell and many games that do get greenlit wind up getting less marketting or downplay the females in their marketting.11/20/2014 - 2:44pm
Andrew EisenUnfortunately, Thompson is so intertwined with our beat that when he shows up in another story that's right in our wheelhouse, we kinda have to cover him, despite how over him a lot of our readership may be. Anything else you consider "tabloidish"?11/20/2014 - 2:40pm
Wonderkarpand they just did!11/20/2014 - 2:24pm
WonderkarpMy Amiibos Shipped!!! Now Amazon needs to mark my Smash Bros as Shipped11/20/2014 - 2:24pm
WonderkarpI do a lot of streaming and eventually I'll be doing some lets plays. (my cohost lives a while from me but hopefully I'll be moving soon). I will say I keep my lets plays and streams 100% free of any of my political views.11/20/2014 - 2:22pm
WonderkarpBut I'm a Gamer before a GPer :P anywho. I think I'd like to see less stories that seem tabloidish that repeat themselves. Unless like, something serious happened, I dont need to hear about (Example) Jack Thompson on a tv show saying the same thing he did11/20/2014 - 2:13pm
NeenekoI align with wonderkarp on this issue, I may disagree and complain, but things are professional and polite enough here that it seems worth being disagreeable ^_^11/20/2014 - 2:12pm
james_fudgeBesides, you're a GPer first and a GGer second ;)11/20/2014 - 2:06pm
james_fudgeIf we all agreed the world would be a boring place11/20/2014 - 2:05pm
james_fudgeWonderkarp: we do appreciate your support and we're glad you're here.11/20/2014 - 2:05pm
 

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