Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

October 22, 2009 -

The International Nanny Association (INA) isn’t feeling overly matronly about an achievement said to be in the upcoming Electronic Arts game Dante’s Inferno.

According to UGO, the “Bad Nanny” achievement is designed to reward players who slaughter “a yet undetermined number of unbaptized infants,” leading INA to say that the game component was “created out of poor taste and bad judgment.”

The group continued:

INA is opposed to video games that promote and encourage players to "kill" babies, even in fantasy play. It is our opinion that this type of play may promote violence towards children. The name of the trophy or achievement, "Bad Nanny," is offensive to our association in that we strive to promote and educate the public regarding the selfless work nannies do to support families by providing quality in-home child care."

INA urged its members to email the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) with concerns and complaints. The ESRB responded, noting that the game has not yet been rated, before adding:

…it should be understood that our job is not to censor potentially tasteless or objectionable content nor dictate to publishers what type of content they may include in their games. ESRB’s role is to objectively evaluate a game’s content and assign age and content ratings that will be helpful in allowing consumers to make informed choices.


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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Ok so lets just say that EA didnt hire them,

So you want the ESRB to rate a game AO or M just because of an acheivement name...someone call a WAAAHbumlance

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"It is our opinion that this type of play may promote violence towards children."

You know, just like games like GTA and Saint's Row promote violence in general....oh wait, they don't.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

First thing that crossed my mind after reading this is that killing babies (or generally leading to their deaths) is bad. 

I am with the "staged" crowd on this one.  Not like EA has not pulled public stupids before. 

The INA are not Nuns either.  From what I understand they need to spend a bit more time interviewing but such is neither here nor there. 

Wonder what demographic this little farce is aimed at.  Going to sell alot of games here... just not to me or anyone that I know personally.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Yay! Some real controversy from a real organisation. Although as many have said EA may have had some say in the matter, likely to be they sent the organisation an anonymous letter stating how they found something bad in the game. I'm sure other games companies have used similar methods in the past, just look at Sega and Madworld (that all seemed a bit fishy).

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

A. Yeah, but that is irrevelant, the marketting campaign of others. All it means is they're just as questionable.

And B. Real controversy my ass.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

It depends what you define as real controversy. (Most controversy is laughable, this is another example), but unlike the group EA formed originally for some PR, one real group has found something offensive. If something offends a real collective of people and they speak out about it, I define that as controversy (no matter how trivial the gripe is).

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Hm. I hate to say it, but I concede. You have a point.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Because "bad nanny" is so much worse than "serial baby killer".

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

The real story here is that there's an International Nanny Association.  I saw the headline and thought, man, GP is really pushin' the editorial bias on this one. ;P

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Bias? In what way?

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Hmm... previous experience points towards EA having a hand in this.

EA is probably pulling strings somewhere, we must wait and see.

Until then, we will have to pass the time by watching the opening to The Nanny:

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"…it should be understood that our job is not to censor potentially tasteless or objectionable content nor dictate to publishers what type of content they may include in their games. ESRB’s role is to objectively evaluate a game’s content and assign age and content ratings that will be helpful in allowing consumers to make informed choices."

PWNED!!!!!!!!!

lol j/k, but seriously esrb pretty much handed their asses to them on this one.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

evidently these stupid nannies don't realize you can't kill that which is already dead. besides, no matter what they look like, you have the right to use deadly force on whatever is trying to kill you

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

so, they find it offensive that someone who kills babies would be considered a bad nanny?

I'm not going to let them anywhere near my children

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

 Came here looking for a "Nanny State" pun.

Saw none.

Left disappointed.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

At the end, that´s is what that kind of group is advocating for, a nanny state. You left too soon.

 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Oh, I know exactly what they're trying for.  But it's Nannies pushing for a Nanny state!  That's just ripe for humor.  If you can't laugh at all the shitting things going on, then you'll just end up depressed from them.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

I'd have to go with EA hoax.  

The fact that they know what an achievement is (much less that there's a difference between a trophy on PS3 and achievement of X360) pretty much indicates that the person writing knows more about games than the average person.  Someone with that much knowledge of games would not find "Bad Nanny" offensive. 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

I thought it was a hoax too, but it turns out the whole "Baby-killing achievement" was picked up on by sites like Kotaku and few others, and that the INA have made a statement. All 3 of them are very cross and think EA must be spanked.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Don´t tell them about Earthbound Gygas fetus theory... Don´t tell them about Earthbound Gygas fetus theory... Don´t tell them about Earthbound Gygas fetus theory... Don´t tell them about Earthbound Gygas fetus theory...

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Well, in all fairness, I doubt EA was completely oblivious to the possible offensiveness of the achievement in the first place, methinks this is a case of a self-igniting fire.

Edit: And I have a suspicion that this may be only the first few flickers of it, but I'll wait and see.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

The ESRB has sent some games back to the chopping block such as The Punisher and Manhunt 2. The AO rating IS censorship. It means censor your game or don't get released.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

The ESRB was established by the Entertainment Software Association in 1984 because at the time, there was emerging a large push to create regualtion via Congress to control the content in video games. Enough people believed that video games were pushing the envelope of what was acceptable too far, that there was a real chance that, had the ESRB not been created in a compromise move between video game developers and lawmakers, Congress would have crafted laws restricting what video games could be sold to persons under 18.

Now, you have companies, like EA, who take and pull this kind of stunt. Yes, I do believe that this was a marketing stunt. Unfortunately, this is the exact sort of thing that causes some people to feel that the ESRB is ineffectual, or outdated and that we just need to go back to what was happening in the 1980's - a push for federal laws to be passed to restrict certain types of video game sales to minors.

I am NOT in favor of most forms of censorship - and certainly I am not in favor of laws regulating just what video games I can let my 16 year old play. That is a decision that I, as a parent, should make. But when you stand on the rooftops and shout about how vile, disgusting and morally reprehensible your upcoming game is, just so you can sell a few more copies, you are literally handing people the excuses they need to push for the kinds of laws we don't want!

How hard would it be to either make the game with something not as offensive as "baby-killing" in it - or to just not use that as a marketing tactic? If you think the ESRB is censorship, just pray that the ESRB isn't trashed as "insufficient" and federal laws put in its place.

 

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Yes. Because all 3 major consoles telling the video game industry that they will not license AO rated games is the fault of the ESRB. Because every major retailer has told the video games industry that they will not carry AO rated games is the fault of the ESRB.

These businesses have made these policies to be considered "family friendly" so that they can avoid the crap that the world would throw at them for carrying AO rated games.

Yes it is all the ESRB's fault for wanting to have a rating for games they felt should not be played by any child ever.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

The INA is a real organization. They have a lot of members, it doesn't surprise me that something filtered back up the grapevine. They need to chill.

Nanny's are not selfless unless they do their jobs for free, and don't get me started on the nanny culture in the United States.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

But once you subtract the nannies who have no legitimate papers to work in the U.S., how many of their membership remains?

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

I did the math and I came up with -500 members.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"The “Bad Nanny” achievement is designed to reward players who slaughter “a yet undetermined number of unbaptized infants,"

Wait.. Unbaptized infants are something to KILL in this game?? Did anyone else start laughing when they read that?? My god, the shitstorm that's going to hit once more people (Especially Religious Conservatives) catch wind of this..

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

That has been a known aspect for a while. One of the first levels is purgatory and unbaptised children are mutated into these freaky creatures. Deadspace had a similar thing with freaky babies you had to kill (and could curbstomp).

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

That's so incredibly stupid. The Divine Comedy doesn't start in Limbo, it's AFTER the Inferno, so it doesn't make any sense to start there. Also, there aren't any mutated babies in Limbo, though that is where unbaptized babies go according to Catholic tradition.

So I guess there's even less reason to buy the game since despite what they claim it only has the name in common with the poem.

 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Actually in recent years the Catholic church has been moving away from the idea that unbabtised infants end up in limbo.  While the Church hasn't removed the concept outright it has been saying that the theory of limbo wasn't ever really considered offically church dogma.  Instead its is simply a theory that the church allows it members wether thay consider it to be true or not.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Yes, because religious word and ideals are the immutable word of God...until it's better PR to "move away" from certain aspects.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Dude we always knew it wasn't going to have the ssame story. The story of Dante's Inferno wouldn't make a great game (IIRC it's basically Dante gets a guided tour through hell purgatory and heaven and talks to some of the inhabitants).

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Hah... Hilarious..

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Great... I see another game not making through the OFLC. I'm of course interested in this game now that I hear you can slaughter infants (maybe they're some kind of demon babies?). I just need the AUD$ to remain strong against the US$ so I can get it from there. It's currently a field day for Australian gamers as we can get a US$50 game for AUD$60-$70 including postage when they usually retail here for AUD$110. Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising was US$40 on Steam and it ended up costing me AUD$44 rather than AUD$100.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

They're the souls of unbaptized babies.  And they're evil.  EA's just loving all the controversy - both real and manufactured.

 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Being that this only appears in a comment on an article by someone claiming to be with the INA posting the "official statement" which happens to not be nanny.org, I'm gonna go with EA hoax on this one. Not like I had any interest in buying the game anyway.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Found the INA page on Facebook and it is true. It's also true that only 3 people have even commented on it in the last week. :-P

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Breaking: Achievement renamed to "Nannies Suck"

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Bad Nanny is offensive? Why? The title is a joke as you probably never play as a nanny in the game. Lighten up.

It may promote violence against children? Are you kidding? People are not stupid enough to copy something just because they saw it in a video game.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

 while I wish I could agree with you, there are some children stupid enough to.  I'm trying to remember the cases in particular (weren't there 2 teens who beat a younger sibling to death re-enacting mortal combat moves or something?) but I'm unable to find the article.  Granted, these cases may be the media painting it that way and not the actual reason these things happened.

Do I think most adults are going to take a scythe to a small child (probably in a spider costume) no, I don't think thats likely.  The game is most likely mature rated, and clearly not intended for those who might re-enact it violently. I'm just trying to put your statement in context/perspective.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

I remember that one. But I highly doubt that was the case. It wasn't two siblings, it was one sibling and her, I forgot if it was boyfriend or fiancee. If anything, it was straight-up abuse, and they just labeled it as mimicry to try to get away easier. They weren't children, either; the sister and her boyfriend/fiancee were at least teenagers, if not legal adults (I think it was both; I think the sister was like 16 or 17, and he was a legal adult).

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"It is our opinion that this type of play may promote violence towards children."

It is my opinion that your a woman and that you have boobs, so you may be a prostitute or promoting prostitution.

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

The ESRB responded, noting that the game has not yet been rated, before adding:

…it should be understood that our job is not to censor potentially tasteless or objectionable content nor dictate to publishers what type of content they may include in their games. ESRB’s role is to objectively evaluate a game’s content and assign age and content ratings that will be helpful in allowing consumers to make informed choices.

 

 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

That's called "Go tell someone who cares." +1 for ESRB.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"It is our opinion that this type of play may promote violence towards children."

I wanted to find this on their website and counter with a simple:

 

"It is our opinion that this type of play may promote an understanding of the ramifications of life without a mentor. Just because it is your opinion doesn't make it fact, nor a moral compass that everyone must follow."

Sadly, I couldn't find the story on INA's website to post my opinion.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

 Yes its an achievement, so its something people will strive for, but they even say "BAD nanny".  Noted that key word there.  It is not like they are saying this is typical nanny behavior.  

If you feel something like this would affect people and their interaction with children, protest that entire baby slaughter aspect of the game, not just the achievement that you think makes you look bad.  Seems to me they're just trying to fight the name of the achievement.

Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

"It is our opinion that this type of play may promote violence towards children."

That's all well and good but it doesn't mean much when there's zero evidence to support such an opinion.

"The name of the trophy or achievement, "Bad Nanny," is offensive to our association..."

It's a joke.  Even if you don't find it funny, lighten up.

 

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Re: Nanny Group Outraged by Dante’s Inferno Achievement

Exactly.  It's not like the trophy is called "Exemplary nanny who is just like real-life nannies, because they are all evil baby killers".

 
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